Talk:Westcoast Black Theatre Troupe

Draft
As you asked for help in the Teahouse I thought I would comment here. To be clear I am not a draft reviewer, but this article will not be accepted in its current state. It mostly consists of direct quotes from sources, some of which are from primary sources. This is an issue for several reasons: first of all, most articles should consist mostly of information from reliable secondary sources. More than half of this article are direct quotes from primary sources. Primary sources are able to be used for certain things but articles should rely mainly on secondary sources. Secondly the direct quotations may be a copyright violation and should be avoided. WP scatter t/c 03:53, 7 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Thanks.. I will see if I can reduce direct quotes and move them to paraphrasing; "the mission" represents the major primary source.   I noticed in Primary Source " An article about a business but I can see that it's too much subjective information to pull.. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 04:03, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * As @Hoary mentioned in the Teahouse, the mission statement is largely irrelevant to the article anyway. Focus on what secondary sources have said about the troupe. If you can't find many, I'm afraid the troupe may not meet the notability guideline and this article won't be accepted either way.  WP scatter  t/c 04:07, 7 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Again thanks.. I am going to sleep on it a bit.
 * I was looking for it on Wikipedia and was surprised it never had an entry.
 * --It was featured nationally in the New York Times to include notable people, and it is mentioned on other Wikipedia Pages.
 * I am going to push into the article and then see if it will meet guidelines. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 04:11, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Addressing copyright concerns - Article IMHO complies with copyright rules
Initially, when I wrote the article by gathering sources, an earlier draft was heavy handed in terms of direct quotations. This concern has been addressed and the article complies with the rules; the automated copyright tool will confirm this fact.

Addressing the Focus Concern - The Article focus has been narrowed to "the corporation"
To address, an insightful and valid concern of others, I narrowed the scope of this article to speak to "the nonprofit corporation" rather than splitting focus between the subject as a playhouse, the founder, or the mission. The corporation encompasses (is the larger set) containing all of the details.

I am very appreciative of the support and comments. Flibbertigibbets (talk) 22:12, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Why is this "subject, the corporation, notable?" Inclusion, National Sources, Recognition, Directors, Long History, Verifiable Fact
1) The local theater has drawn national attention in the New York Times and Wall Street Journal.

2) National sources speak to inclusion; which to me means acceptance; and that is a notable message in time to vitriolic divisiveness and hostility.  The organization speaks to inclusion via the arts "we can do better, and be better to each other."  The National press sees the importance of inclusion as a message thus they covered the topic of this corporation for that reason.   The arts are a great place to convey a message of acceptance as a teaching tool of sorts.  In an angry and hostile time; art can send a message in a positive way.

3) The theater is very important at the local level <- it is constantly mentioned in local press outlets - there is no shortage of local sources


 * The local message is laudable as well to a large local community
 * The reason I got started on this article is because I viewed the lack of an article an omission! on Wikipedia.    This is a subject I heard about (on a sailboat) and I wanted to know more about it.  Wikipedia is my go to place for finding basic information.    In my opinion there is room for this important article here on Wikipedia; literally (as a new editor) I have edited articles about cable fasteners! What is great is that folks can add to the article over time or delete it at a later date with no harm done.

4) The corporation has some "heavy hitting" directors which is a testament to its importance


 * In particular is Charlayne Hunter-Gault who is a very important figure - On a Generational basis and on Wikipedia her importance has (in my opinion) been understated. I knew who she was immediately on finding this fact.    She is an accomplished, influential, and credentialed individual who broke several Glass ceilings that were put in place on the basis of race and sex.

5)  The organization has been in place for twenty years.    (Know, As a new editor I stumbled upon a charity that was no more than a vanity go-fund me page; I listed some impressons, perceptions, and opinions about content quality on my talk page)

6)  Why didn't I list all the plays in a "info-box?"    The article is not about plays, it is not about theater, it is not about the founder, it is about an inclusive corporation that does good in the community and provides a role model at a national level.

7)  The article is factual, referenced, and supported.

Thanks again
I very much enjoyed writing this article and I am thankful to have the support and help extended as part of the learning process. That is the most important thing to me.