Talk:Westphalia

=0 AD= there was no historical 0 AD, it went from 1 BC to AD 1, though using astronomical dating, it could mean 1 BC

I was just wondering about my ansesters. If my family was still ruling i would be a german princess, and if anyone has any information or would like to tell me about it there i would be grateful.My grandfathers name was westphal originally from the name westphalia. I would just like to know more about it thanks.

Hi!

I'm from Schwelm, a quite small town in southern Westphalia. What the author said about the name "Westphalia" is not quite true - the origin lies in Old-Low-Saxon (which has been spoken in Westphalia). "West", of course, means "west", but "fal" has nothing to do with "plains", "fal" (in German: Westphalian = Westfale)is an Old-Low-Saxon word for "human being"! And when the Saxons talked about "human beings" they usually meant "Saxons" (because they were Saxons)! So a "Westphalian" is a "West-Saxon" and the best translation for "Westphalia" is "Western Saxony"!

Regards!

...and your name doesn't mean that you are a princess :-( Sorry! It's very common in Germany that people have the names of regions, e.g. "Holstein" (from Holstein) or "Schwab" (from Swabia).  So your name only means that you have had an ancestor who had been born or had lived in Westphalia.

Regards!

=Emperor Barbarossa=

Is it usual to refer to the emperor Frederick Barbarossa (or Frederick I of Hohenstaufen) in this way? It doesn't sound right to me, but maybe I'm nitpicking.

qp10qp 22:49, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * In Germany at least, it is usual. Krankman 09:21, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

The German Wikipedia page is titled "Friedrich I", and the picture is captioned "Friedrich I, Barbarossa"; the English page is titled “Frederick I, Holy Roman Emperor”, and the picture is captioned “Frederick I, Barbarossa”. No "Emperor Barbarossa". I studied this period at university, and these forms are those I found in academic books. The nearest equivalent among English kings is probably “William Rufus”: we call him that, or “William II, Rufus”, or merely “William II” – never “King Rufus”.

However, the present page isn’t particularly academic, and so I’m not going to interfere with it just for the arrogant reason that “it doesn’t sound quite right to me”.

qp10qp 20:49, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Inaccuracies?
This article is not realy correct. there are some mistakes about Weatfalia. I would like to write the truth but my english isn't good enough. greets from westfalia


 * Write the corrections here in the best English you can and include the references. If others agree, your corrections will find their way into the article. qp10qp 11:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

The whole chapter "Points of Interest" is far below standard (...).

"The biggest culture cave of Europe is located in Balve. Sir Peter Lely, appointed Principal Painter to Charles II of England in 1662 was born Pieter van der Faes in Westphalia in 1618. The best known city of Westphalia is in Mid-Michigan known for people and stuff."

Neither of the three statements above highlight anything truly characteristic of Westphalia; they have possibly been placed by a practical joker. (The entire entry on Westphalia would gain in quality if the quoted text was deleted.) If you look at the link for "Balve", the main point of the Balve culture cave seems to be the big Coca Cola truck visible on the picture.

True points of interest in Westphalia ("touristic highlights" to be honest) would be the town of Muenster, the Hermannsdenkmal near Detmold (not omitting Detmold itself), and the many moated castles in the area. Northern Westphalia is of a rural nature (with various sorts of local industry, notably furniture industry, plus a number of spa towns), whereas the town of Dortmund in southern Westphalia is clearly part of the old industrial heartland of Germany (coal mining, steel production, now largely replaced by other industries).

don´t forget gelsenkirchen, bochum, gladbeck, dorsten, recklinghausen usw.^^ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.50.50.189 (talk) 21:32, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Map, please
A map is always helpful for the auslanders. :-) -- Writtenonsand 14:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

......8:histoire de cunégonde.

............9;ce qui advint de cunégonde de candide du grand inquisiteur et d'un juif. ......10:dans quelle détresse candide cunégonde et la vielle arrivent a cadix et de leur embarquement. .........11:histoire de le vieille. ....12:suite des malheurs de le vieille. ...........13:comment candide fut obligé de se séparer de la belle cunéginde et de la vieille. ....14:comment candide et cacambo fyrent reçus chez les jésuites de paraguay. .....15;comment candide tua le frére de sa che cunégonde. ......16:ce qui advint aux deux voyageurs avec deux filles deux singes et les sauvages nommé oreillons. ....17;arrivée de candide et de son valet aux pays d'eldorado. ....19:ce qui leur arriva a surinam et comment sandide fit connaisance avec martin. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.251.102.58 (talk) 21:01, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

translation?
what does it mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.61.148.242 (talk) 20:55, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

Contested edits
Hey Wuerzele,May I ask why you added misleading information to Westphalia and also added misleading information?


 * Westphalia in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia does not border on the Netherlands.
 * The sentence "It is one of the regions that were part of all succession of states of the German state ..." does now make no sense.
 * The information that you deleted in the history part about Westphalia is absolutely accurate.

I would also be thankful if you wouldn't devalue other person's contributions by describing them as "odd" and "piped" whatever that is supposed to mean.

I look forward to your reply. FMü 19:06, 29 July 2018 (UTC)


 * Hi FMü. Thanks for the comment. my responses to your bullets:


 * 1) Westphalia as depicted as part of the state of North Rhine-Westphalia does border on the Netherlands as a simple gaze on the map ironically adjacent in the infobox shows. Or what
 * 2) The sentence "It is one of the regions that were part of all succession of states of the German state ..." does now make no sense ? i dont understand where the problem is, sorry, please tell me - or correct as you see fit.
 * 3) Information that I supposedly deleted in the history part: i dont know, whadduyoumean? I deleted no info, zippo, nada, nyshta. (in the future insert edit link facilitates communication) i think you mistook a layout change as deletion when you looked at teh revision history, right? if you read teh article though you should have seen that nothing disappeared.
 * 4) FYI piped is a wikiterm, see WP:piped link and no devaluation. And odd is odd and in my lingo not even pejorative, i dunnow about you, or whereabouts in the UK you live, man, but odd means irregular and is shorter than quoting the exact WP:MOS paragraph and page. forgive me!


 * so, as far as I am concerned, your, eh, may i say so, accusations ("added misleading information deleted accurate") plus the "devalue other person's contributions" were jumps to conclusions, not based on facts, IMO shrift and naught. -you may have a WP account longer than me, but I´ve been involved and care deeply about quality, just check my userpage, my contributions. hey, i of one, am no bad apple... !
 * Lastly, content-related discourse (as yours is, except for the accusations -:)) should be on the westphalia talkpage, so if there´s more, lets continue there ok?

oh and i knew you were an odd ball when you squeezed your comment in a weird, weird place on my talkpage....:)
 * Have a good one ! Ta-ra !--Wuerzele (talk) 07:39, 1 August 2018 (UTC)


 * Wuerzele,


 * This discussion is not about who is longer on Wikipedia. Also, please stop getting personal just because I put a comment into a place you do not like. I could also make conclusions about your personality because of the way you speak but I don't because Wikipedia isn't the place for this and it prevents a discussion from being constructive.


 * Also, you changed my question from “May I ask why you added misleading information to Westphalia and also deleted accurate info?” to “May I ask why you added misleading information to Westphalia and also added misleading information?” This makes my question sound ridiculous.


 * What I posted were questions and no accusations so please calm down. However, despite the length of your reply you failed to answer these. For a better understanding, I will give further explanations.


 * 1. As pointed out before Westphalia within the state of North Rhine-Westphalia does only border on the other regions of North Rhine-Westphalia being the Northern Rhineland and Lippe. If you want to mention other territories that Westphalia borders on outside of North Rhine-Westphalia, you will have to delete the words in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia. But if you do so, please don't only mention the Netherlands but all territories Westphalia borders on.


 * 2. The sentence “It is one of the regions that were part of all succession of states of the German state …” does not make sense and your English language skills seem to be good enough for you to understand this. If you should not understand certain things please don't edit them.


 * 3. Maybe this was an accident just like the incident concerning the change of my above-mentioned question but you deleted the following paragraph:


 * After World War II it was a part of the British occupation zone which merged with the American zone to become the Bizone in 1947 and again merged with the French zone to become the Trizone in 1948. The current Federal Republic of Germany was founded on these territories making Westphalia a part of West Germany. It is a part of united Germany since 1990.


 * The information in my opinion is absolutely accurate so please let me know if you think otherwise.


 * 4. I did not know that  'piped'  is a Wikipedia term as I don't communicate in these terms in everyday life so sorry for that.

I decided to give my reply on your talk page. That is because your reply has given me the impression that this discussion can easily get personal. This will be the last personal message of me you will receive on this page as I don't have the time and interest in leading lengthy discussions about relatively minor incidents like this. You will find any future comments about Westphalia on its talk page, should this be necessary.

Because of the reasons I just gave you, I reverted Westphalia. Of course you are still welcome to make changes to the article like you are anywhere else on Wikipedia. Please just make sure to not do this in a disruptive manner. FMü 14:02, 1 August 2018
 * FMü I maybe made a mistake but made more improvements, which you fail to acknowledge. Blankly reverting is disingenious and even inappropriate in this case, read policy about editwar. you display WP:OWNership here. Especially since youre not a frequent editor you should get a WP:thirdopinion.--Wuerzele (talk) 17:38, 1 August 2018 (UTC)