Talk:Wheatpaste/Archive 1

Montage
The use of Montage is a stretch in this context. while one could use wheatpaste to create a photomontage, that ground is well covered with the link to collage, which has a section on photomontage. 90% of the time Montage refers to time based media, which has no connection to wheatpaste at all.--67.49.29.212 04:40, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I know tips for wheatpasting are ok, but doesn't this seem extremely leftist if there's no tips on removing wheatpaste posters, or any aid for the "recipient", at all? -Anonymous 11/17/06 8:07

I have never herd the term wheatpaster, is it U.S termenology? The term I would use, that seems to cover what they are doing, would be flyposter. Though that would not imply the use of wheat based ahesive. Wouldn't it be better to have an article intittled Flyposting with a section on "wheatpasting"? (When ever I and people I know have been out flyposting for pollitical stuff we have just used commercial wallpaper paste) --JK the unwise 08:50, 4 Apr 2005 (UTC)

This article is weird. It takes a common material used for many purposes, and makes it out to be some sort of left-wing symbol. In my city, various activists do put up posters, but the overwhelming majority of posters are commerical advertising, usually of bands, nightclubs or bars. So far as I can see, both types use flour-based paste. The main reason being that after a while it starts to rot, which leaves an unsightly blotch on the victim's property but makes it easier to pull the posters down for the next advertising campaign. Is there any evidence to particularly associate it with left-wing activism? I agree with JK above, most of this material should be moved to flyposting, perhaps with a comment that some activist groups use flour based paste, while this article should focus on the paste itself. Oh, and as for the name, we just call it "paste", or "flour paste" when you need to avoid ambiguity. -- Securiger 01:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

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Wheat Paste Recipe
Prepare 1 cup (2.4 dl) of very hot water. Make a thin mixture of 3 tablespoons (45 ml) of white flour and cold water. Pour the cold mixture slowly into the hot water while stirring constantly. Bring to a boil. When it thickens, allow to cool. Smear on like any other glue. For slightly better strength, add 1 tablespoon (15 ml) of sugar after the glue is thickened (this can also work with finely ground up glass). After using a portion, reheat the remaining in a covered jar or container to sterilize it for storage or keep refrigerated. If wheat flour is not available, other flours will work. --Transfinite 17:23, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

copyvio
I've put a copyvio notice, and the site where I found the exact same recipe seems to have died, but it was online until yesterday. The text can be seen at google's cache. Even if the site is dead now, that doesn't mean it is not a copyvio. (Or maybe the recipe from the site was copy & pasted from Wikipedia, who knows?) SpiceMan (会話) 18:13, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

wikibooks transwiki
Some transwiki to wikibooks is necessary.Lotusduck 16:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Expiration
I have to disagree with the note in the Wheatpasting tips section which states that the paste begins to go bad after five days in the fridge. I cooked some paste a while ago, and stored it in two plastic tupaware containers. I immediately put it them in the fridge, during which the paste took on a consistency similar to gelatin. Anyway, at least a month later, i took the past out, zapped it in the microwave for aproximately 30 seconds, stirred it until it reached the desired consistency, and used it. I found that it worked just as well as if it were freshly made. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Lonebullet (talk • contribs) 01:19, 3 April 2007 (UTC).

Amusing, if disorganized.
I think the article, with its reference to "non alienated labor" is humorous. I remember in the 1950's skulking around gluing up posters announcing some leftist rally. Wheat paste was used, but the posters often didn't stick well because the paste was too thin. Too bad we didn't have Wikipedia to go to for instructions.

What I said above is all irrelevant to the main subject: "It has been suggested that Street poster art be merged into this article or section. (Discuss)" I think the subjects "wheat paste" and "street poster art" are separate, and should not be merged. They could be cross-referenced, though. I think the article can stand as it is written, even though it is slightly idiosyncratic. It says more about what you do with wheat paste than with how to make it, but so what?

Cyberpageman 22:13, 1 November 2007 (UTC)cyberpageman

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I removed the paragraph below, as it is just un-sited speculation that is relatively irrelevant:

Wheatpaste is also known as Marxist glue, probably because of the left organizations which use it; and because its ingredients are staples which can be combined by the individual, bypassing capital and industry — a true example of non-alienated labor.

Obsessiveatbest (talk) 05:43, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Possibly Moving Etymology to Wiktionary
I think the Etymology section should be moved to the Wiktionary entry for paste; it is out of place in this article, and even in Wikipedia itself. This article is not about the word paste, and Wiktionary is the correct place for information about words.

Obsessiveatbest (talk) 06:18, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Please leave the etymology, but clarify it
Everybody else seems to have been happy to leave the etymology section here, without becoming "obsessive" over demarcation! ;-) I find a small amount of the history of the word's usage and origins does improve my understanding of the subject.

However, I confess I'm mystified by the last sentence: In English, paste is used as would be "dough" in the 12th century, or "glue" in the 15th century. -what does it mean? I don't know how "dough" would have been used in the 12th century, nor how "glue" would have been used in the 15th. I do know that I'm getting old, but give me a break! I wasn't around then - and neither were most Wikipedia readers. Surely only a specialist in Middle English, i.e. in language history, would understand the quoted sentence!

FWIW: In AusE (Australian English), we use "paste" to name equally both the homemade flour-and-water adhesive and the commercial starch-and water adhesive (usually, for the last six or more decades, bought under the brand name "Clag", which we often used - when I was a boy, and when my children were young - as a synonym for "paste"). "Glue" is any commercial adhesive, such as that proverbially produced by "the glue factory" where horses' gluey bits were sent after the knacker had finished processing the horse, or (at least in my lifetime) some synthetic organic substitute for that. And "dough" literally means only a moist mixture for baking into bread, cake or pastry, and figuratively is an extension of the (British? American? - I don't know) metaphor of "bread", meaning money. yoyo (talk) 04:01, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

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