Talk:Wheel of Fortune (1951 song)

Kay Starr is not the original artist
There is at least one recorded version that preceded Starr's. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pbr2000 (talk • contribs) 18:51, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

The first version of Wheel of Fortune to achieve popularity was by vocalist Sunny Gale with the Eddie Wilcox Orchestra. It was released in early January 1952 and was quickly covered by many other artists including Kay Starr. The version by the Cardinals was released later in January 1952, after the Sunny Gale version, but they actually recorded it before she did. However, neither the Cardinals nor Sunny Gale had the first version to be recorded or released.

Here are the first three versions ordered by release date of the original singles:

1. Artist: Al Costello with The Walter Scott Orchestra Label : Crescendo Catalog Number: C 104 Release date: June 1951 Reference: Reviewed in the June 9, 1951 issue of Billboard. The June 2, 1951 issue of Billboard contained an "advanced review."

2. Artist: Johnny Hartman with Choir and Orchestra conducted by Norman Leyden Label : RCA Victor Catalog Number: 47 4349 Release date: October 1951 Reference: Advertised in the October 27, 1951 issue of Billboard. The November 17, 1951 issue of Billboard contains a review.

3. Artist: Eddie Wilcox Orchestra with Sunny Gale Label : Derby Catalog Number: 45 787 Release date: Early January 1952 Reference: The January 12, 1952 issue of Billboard lists this single as a new release.

Here are the first four versions ordered by recording date:

1. Artist: Al Costello with The Walter Scott Orchestra Recording date: Early 1951 (no later than May 1951) Reference: The record was reviewed in the June 2, 1951 issue of Billboard and therefore it must have been recorded at least several days earlier. The song was written in 1951.

2. Artist: Johnny Hartman with Choir and Orchestra conducted by Norman Leyden Recording date: August 6, 1951 Reference: http://www.jazzdiscography.com/fitzgera/hartman.htm

3. Artist: The Cardinals Recording date: October 6, 1951 Reference: http://www.jazzdisco.org/atlantic-records/discography-1951/

4. Artist: Eddie Wilcox Orchestra with Sunny Gale Recording date: December 1951 Reference: The December 29, 1951 issue of Billboard states that Sunny Gale made her first recordings for Derby Records during the previous week.

Further details may be found at the [| Second Hands Songs] site.

Mario Dooker (talk) 15:12, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

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The result of the move request was: Moved to Wheel of Fortune (1951 song) Mike Cline (talk) 12:57, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

Wheel of Fortune (song) → Wheel of Fortune (1951 song) – or Wheel of Fortune (1952 song) This title is very ambiguous, as we already have Wheel of Fortune (Ace of Base song). That's all. --George Ho (talk) 19:00, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


 * Support obviously useful precision. N oetica Tea? 01:57, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, for support, what name will you suggest? --George Ho (talk) 03:36, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * I supported by consideration of the proposed name that appears in the template: Wheel of Fortune (1951 song). I will also support any appropriate alternative that gives the needed precision. N oetica Tea? 04:42, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Move to Wheel of Fortune (1951 song). "Song" is ambiguous, and 1951 is the correct disambiguator since that's when the song was first published. Wheel of Fortune (song) should redirect to Wheel of Fortune after incoming links have been corrected. Jafeluv (talk) 04:59, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment: WP:NCM specifies using the artist instead of the year, and there is currently a proposal atWikipedia talk:Naming conventions (music) to use the songwriters. I've asked there what the project's preferred qualifier would be here. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:14, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Disambiguating by year is pretty standard when there's no single performer associated with the song. For example, Yesterdays (1933 song) used to be at Yesterdays (Otto Harbach and Jerome Kern song), but was moved to use a more concise disambiguator. I guess this could be called Wheel of Fortune (Bennie Benjamin and George David Weiss song), but firstly the title would be unnecessarily long and secondly it would be confusing as "(X song)" is usually only used for performers. Jafeluv (talk) 19:57, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Support. Agree with Jafeluv's arguments. Jenks24 (talk) 20:34, 26 April 2012 (UTC)
 * Move to Wheel of Fortune (1951 song); my !VOTE per WP:IAR . -- →gab  24 dot  grab← 00:51, 4 May 2012 (UTC)


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