Talk:When You Believe

Staying in tune?
This sentence caught my eye: "One of the features of the song is when Carey and Houston sing a section of the song in thirds; they have done this live, and still kept in tune." Is singing in thirds in tune supposed to be some kind of impressive feat? Why is this notable? For that matter, why mention singing in thirds as a "feature"? It's not some kind of strange interval. I think I'll just delete the sentence if nobody objects.Nasch 20:26, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead. I'm glad I'm not the only person who though this was a werid comment. Singing in thirds is a pretty unimpressive thing to focus on if you ask me! 121.219.110.229 (talk) 11:50, 27 November 2007 (UTC)nath80

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Chinese origin
The first 18 notes of the first, slow section of the song are exactly the same as in the 1950s Chinese composition "Dance of the Yao People." Badagnani (talk) 19:17, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes I listened to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_I1NC2JNkdU and it does sound very very similar except from a few intervals that sound more Chinese. However I don't know if we can just add it unless we have a source. What section would it go under? Sweetie candykim (talk) 13:22, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

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Did David Archuleta record a studio version of this?
Because I have a copy and it doesn't sound live. Is this a notable enough cover to add anyway? Sweetie candykim (talk) 13:18, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

Lyrics of Leon's version?
Should we perhaps mention that Leon's version has different lyrics in the second verse? It would be good if we could find a source describing why it was changed. 128.12.240.253 (talk) 03:22, 12 January 2010 (UTC)
 * The article used to say "In December 2007, a version of this song, re-written by Stephen Schwartz, was recorded by the winner of the fourth series of The X Factor, Leon Jackson." but it obviously got removed somewhere along the line. There was no source for it but I remember reading at the time that Schwartz changed the lyrics to suit. So there should definitely be something out there. AnemoneProjectors (talk) 14:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Hebrew bridge
Is the Hebrew bridge ("ashira ladonai ki ga'oh ga'ah...") the first time a Disney song has had a section written in different language than the language of the film? 24.148.9.61 (talk) 17:05, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The Prince of Egypt was produced by DreamWorks Animation, not Disney. --FuriousFreddy (talk) 05:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Disney had fragments in Zulu in The Lion King, though. Ausir (talk) 01:26, 26 April 2017 (UTC)

There is also a talk in Israel about ofra haza having to sing a hebrew verse in the song, which was refused by mariah and whitney ///guest

mc's not at the end
hey i noticed that the page said that careys range was up to a g5 in this song but the note she did at the end was a g6 and even shifted to a a6 as she scaled down not sure why they did not include that note but its there and one of my fav parts of the song.

Composition Question
The following things make no sense to me (and I'm a professional musician & I studied music theory) I'm wondering if whoever wrote the composition section can explain 1: What does "different keys, musically and vocally" mean? 2: What does the Ab-Gb1 refer to when discussing the "chord progression?" I've never heard a chord progression described that way, especially considering neither Ab nor Gb are in the key of B minor. Chords are described with either roman numerals or, yes, using pitch names, but after the pitch names the quality of those chords have to be described. First of all, I would argue that the song starts in D Major, not in B minor... but with pop music, that's semantics I suppose. Assuming we're in D major, I would describe the first half of Houston's verse with the following chord progression: vi - V - iii - vi | vi - IV - ii - iii OR Bm - A - F#m - Bm | Bm - G2 - Em - F#m. See what I'm saying? That, of course, is my own analysis, and therefore original research, which is why I'd either copy/paste the chords from the sheet music or take this stuff out all together. The article referenced here is a digital copy of the sheet music and, I suspect, the person who wrote this section didn't really understand what he/she was looking at. -Jesse 69.203.118.145 (talk) 15:34, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Whitney Houston & Mariah Carey
As shown on the page for the album The Prince of Egypt (soundtrack), the US version of the single lists Whitney's name first. Given that the song is performed by 2 American artists, the cover of the US version of the single should be shown in addition to the cover of the UK / European version. MCMCTT (talk) 17:22, 5 June 2013 (UTC) — Preceding comment added by MCMCTT (talk • contribs) 16:46, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
 * What is the problem with this name listing, is it such a big deal to have Whitney name first? They're both credited equally 50%-50%. The soundtrack album's back cover (US edition) clearly shows Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston. The RIAA credited it as Mariah Carey & W. Houston. Hung Medien lists Mariah Carey & Whitney Houston. The Official Charts Company lists Mariah Carey & Whitney Houston. Even if we go alphabetically, Carey's name should be listed before Houston's. Bluesatellite (talk) 04:54, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Lead sentence
The lead sentence currently reads:
 * "When You Believe" is a song by American recording artists Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston.

By comparison, the lead sentence for A Whole New World reads:
 * "A Whole New World" is a song from Disney's 1992 animated feature film Aladdin, with music by Alan Menken and lyrics by Tim Rice.

In both cases, you have a song written for a musical film for use in context in that musical film, that became a hit (and consider that "A Whole New World" is the bigger hit) with a pop oriented version placed over the end credits and released as a single. Other than Mariah Carey and Whitney Houston fans veering into NPOV-violating bias, is there a particular reason this article leads off the way it does? I would think it should read as:
 * "When You Believe" is a song from DreamWorks' 1998 animated feature film The Prince of Egypt, with music and lyrics by Stephen Schwartz.

--FuriousFreddy (talk) 18:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
 * If you think it's appropriate, then sure. Add that and follow it with performed by singers (...) etc. Cheers.-- Peter Griffin  &bull;  Talk2Me   18:04, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

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