Talk:White & Nerdy/Archive 1

Most of the trivia is stupid
Most of the trivia is ridiculous. Explaining who MC Escher is, or what a soldering gun is isn't interesting trivia about the song. You might as well add a piece of trivia saying "This is what's known as a song, which is a short piece of music, usually including lyrics...".

I mean, c'mon. If you don't understand the english language, get a dictionary, we don't need a definition for every single word he uses in the song.
 * Then why are you on Wikipedia in the first place? This site is supposed to do that, so the informed can stay informed. ArchKnight47 23:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, the explanations are not needed. If the person is that interested in MC Escher, they can check the article. --ASDFGHJKL=Greatest Person Ever+Coolest Person Ever 22:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Userbox
Enjoy. Saxbryn 09:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Als Dog
When Al is making a homepage for his dog. you can see his dog is a English Springer Spaniel

Half Life 2 reference?
This is on the part of the video where Al is buying the Star Wars Holiday Special tape out of a gangster.If you examine the background, there's a lambda logo on the dumpster and a wooden pallet very similar to the ones found on the game.It's a kinda subtle reference, but still, I think it's worth a mention.--Kamaitama 18:12, 7 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Although it does look a Greek Lambda, I think it would be a stretch to call it a Half-Life reference. It's pretty distorted, doesn't have the circle around it like the game's symbol, and I think it would be just apropriate to assume its there to "scratch out" whatever the label is underneath it. The pallete just looks to be something placed there to give the impression that the scene is in a back ally, and not another reference.

Hoodie
Is the fact that the demand for the hoodie in the video was so great they complied notable, or not?

Yes Al noted on his Myspace blog that they will be sold, and to await more news. Arc88 03:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

They are for sale via his website, www.weirdal.com. They are screen printed on a generic black hooded sweatshirt. They cost approx $45 USD. - anon

Foofie
The Foofie link now 404s. ~anon

"References to concepts not normally mentioned in music"
Does anyone think this part should be reworded? Pretty much al of Al's music refers to concepts not normally mentioned in music...

Why not lead single?
I thought Chamillionaire stated White and Nerdy would be the lead single on the album.
 * At this point it's probably largely a matter of semantics. Don't Download This Song was called the "first single" by Weird Al, and I don't think Volcano even releases singles anyway. If you want to add "lead single" to the article, I don't think anyone would argue with you. --Maxamegalon2000 19:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Spelling
I think this article should be renamed White & Nerdy per the spelling on http://weirdal.com/catalog.htm --Elvis 14:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Done, though I do not have time to fix all of the links. Anyone else who wants to is welcome do so. --Maxamegalon2000 22:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia Reference
This song contains a Wikipedia reference. This is important. I am also white and nerdy. thealexfish 06:29, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I only have a second here (I'll try and cite specifically what I'm talking about later), but a mention of Wikipedia is not important in and of itself, just because we are Wikipedia. We are striving to be as neutral and as encyclopaedic as possible, and therefore do not refer to ourselves unless there is a notable reason to do so (i.e. another source would have done the same thing, and we are not writing it because we are on Wikipedia). Sorry I can't explain further at the moment . . . --Twilightsojourn 16:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Heeeeeeeyyyyyyy. I find the editing of wikepidia being nerdy offensive. I'm going to play D&D.


 * Ugh. I know it's in here somewhere . . . but I can't find the proper link. If anyone wants to help me out, that would be great. But it's definitely in the best interest of the project to not include self-referential information unless it belongs in the article for a reason other than the fact that the article is part of the Wikipedia project. I hope I'm explaining this effectively -- does what I said make sense? --Twilightsojourn 19:37, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I know what you're talking about. Meta-data has no place in an encyclopedia. However, I think that this fact (that this song contains a Wikipedia reference,) should be contained somewhere within Wikipedia, regardless of whether it is in a talk page or article page. I think I've already accomplished my goal. :) thealexfish 08:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, there you go -- it's on the Talk page now! :-) --Twilightsojourn 16:44, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's also mentioned on the Wikipedia in popular culture article, where it should be. Alanlastufka 16:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah -- I think that if it's going to be anywhere, it should be there. Thanks for pointing that out! --Twilightsojourn 20:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Weird Al makes a good point. Heavy duty Wikipedia fanatics do tend to have, um, issues. - MSTCrow 23:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Wasn't it "YOU SUCK" which is basically what the majority of people think of Wikipedia when it comes to actual facts. I know most people take this crap site too seriously, but isn't Wikipedia just the brain child of some loser like Chad Hurley, who is probably hoping his/her laziness will result in this crap site being picked up by Google or Yahoo! for a huge Pay Day like Craptube.com. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.51.41.72 (talk • contribs).

It doesn't seem like an attack on Wikipedia, rather one on Atlantic Records.

Citing sources
A tag was put up saying that the article needs to cite its sources. What specifically needs to be cited? I'd say that most of the major points are referenced -- is it the YTMND note? --Twilightsojourn 19:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It might be the YTMND note, or it may have been the plot description, but now that it's online, that shouldn't be a problem. I'm going to remove the YTMND comment, because it's not all that important, and the sources tag. --Maxamegalon2000 02:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Good job. Thanks! --Twilightsojourn 05:42, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Needs cleanup
The article is in drastic need of cleanup, in terms of the page format. It looks like a mess, and is not up to encyclopedic standards.Spylab 17:18, 22 September 2006 (UTC)Spylab

At the very end, he throws up the Vulcan Salute, referencing both Star Trek (the hand gesture is a traditional means of expressing goodbye, saying "Live Long and Prosper"), and the tradition of gangsters throwing up their "Sign" (the hand gesture representing that gangster's "hood")

This seems like an arbitrary selection in the interpretation on a part of the video which that's ambigous. This is the type of assertion that, to be included, needs a citation.

Al's "live lone and prosper" seems, more logically, to refer to the star trek reference and the peace sign which is used today mostly when saying good-bye. Nothing about 'turf'

Aren't the "candles" in both this video and the original Chamillionaire video road flares? UltraNurd 22:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

An Addition Idea I Had
What about a list a of all the things that Al says are nerdy? I would put it up, but I can't listen to the song or else it gets stuck in my head and I can't sleep.--Mullon 02:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Cameos
I'm pretty sure the "gangsters" thoughout the video are popular hip hop artists. I'm just too white & nerdy to recognize them. Any help? Radjago 07:16, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * From this article: "Jordan Peele and Keegan-Michael Key of MadTV appear in the blue 1967 Chevy Impala Convertible at the beginning of the video. Aries Spears appears near the ending of the video."
 * Those guys are probably all the black guys in the video though I heard Three 6 Mafia was in the bowling scene but I'm not sure about that one. Gdo01 07:31, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

On that MadTV part someone had changed it to "Bitchtv" I changed it back.--72.16.114.224 22:04, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Cameos vs Extras
Someone deleted the references to Three 6 Mafia and John the Stutterer on the grounds that they were paid extras which somehow does now qualify as a cameo. The definition of a cameo is: a small theatrical role usually performed by a well-known actor and often limited to a single scene. I don't understand how being paid extras disqualifies them from being acknowledged as at least special appearances.

Since I don't want this to be an argument I'll accept any terminology (cameo/extra/special appearance) so that the fact that Three 6 Mafia and John the Stutterer were in this video is mentioned. Gdo01 22:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I removed them. I traded emails with an unpaid extra who was in the bowling scene and he said the "gangstas" were were just paid extras (i.e. nobody famous).  They weren't even "gangsta" in real life.  One was named Courtney and was a dancer.  If you can find proof that it's Three 6 Mafia and/or John the Stutterer, please add it back in (with a citation).  I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else, and I'm going with what my friend says, he was there. --Elvis 19:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I just watched the video very slowly, and I can tell you for absolute sure, that is NOT John the Stutterer in the end clip. Though he looks like him, its not him Aspensti 21:31, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

Unnoticed reference?
69.29.212.174 19:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Is it just me or does Donny Osmond's dance look like a parody of "Hooked on a Feeling" By David Hasselhoff (I think I spelled his last name right)?


 * yeah i did think that was Donny Osmond dancing, i took notice of this because the first time i saw this video at all was during VH1's Best Week Ever where they nominated Wierd Al for having the "Best Week Ever". This only made me think of Donny Osmond because earlier in the episode when they were talking about the show Heroes. John Abboud said "You can't spell Heroin, without Hero" then his partner asks him who said it and he goes "Idunno, Donny Osmond?" and I saw the two guys looked similar (the Donny Osmond picture during that part of the show, and the guy dancing in Wierd Al's video).
 * Donny Osmond is indeed dancing, and parodying several other dances. Notably Gary Brolsma, which, given the fact that Al himself parodies the Star Wars Kid, seems quite appropo.  --Snicker 14:10, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, this was the first thing I thought of. I think it should be included in the references.  24.182.97.121 03:42, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Equation - it is not wrong
The article states that the equation in the background (Schrödinger's wave equation for the hydrogen atom) is wrong. I'm sure it's fine because it is in gaussian units. So that is what the Hamiltonian should look like. I also noticed the missing h-bar but came to the conclusion about the units.

Can some quantum physicist not comment on that? I'm only a student!

"Can some quantum physicist not comment on that? "

Ok.--Planetary 02:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

I can also confirm this. We used this as a test to separate the geeks from the uber-geeks for my Engineering Physics Club's "Everything I need to know I learned in Engineering Physics" T-shirts. User:spamrisk 12:30, 1 November 2006 (PST)


 * It shouldn't be mentioned either way as it is very much original research. JoshuaZ 20:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Please see my comment at "Rumors on the internet". How can this be "original research" if it's plainly obvious from watching the video? Icemuon 10:54, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Planck's constant and Dirac's constant indeed are interchangable in the equation, representing only different units. From Dirac's Constant: Planck's constant is joule per hertz, or joule per (turn per second), while the unit of measurement of Dirac's constant is joule per (radian per second). The two constants are merely conversion factors between energy units and frequency units. Tofof 12:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

I disagree. I think the equation IS wrong. We are talking about the kinetic energy of something with angular momentum which is where the use of the reduced Planck's originated. There is a good reason for using the reduced Plank's and not Plank's in the angular momentum equation -- you should always use h-bar with angular momentum applications. I don't think they are interchangeable. Besides, the value is different by 2π.. where do you make up for this in the equation? Using anything but the reduced Planck's constant (which denotes angular frequency), would be wrong, in my opinion.

Furthermore, I don't agree with this business about the "units being different". It is a unit of energy, plain and simple. Whether you use the unit of eV-seconds or, as mentioned above joules per Hertz (or full rotation), but we are still talking energy. A full rotation is 2π radians, hence there are 6 and change radians per cycle. THEREFORE, if you use the reduced Plank's you are changing the value of energy (dividing it by 6 and change), without accounting for it elsewhere in the equation.

The difference between h and h-bar can be expressed like this: "h" is the energy for 360° (i.e. 2π rad), "h-bar" the energy for 57.29° (i.e. 1 rad). It is kind of like saying "I expend 300 calories when I walk a mile" versus "I expend 100 calories when I walk a third of mile". Unless I use "⅓ mile" instead of mile somewhere else in the equation, I can't arbitrarily switch 300 for 100. Similarly, unless somewhere we are using rads/second instead of Hertz, we can't just switch h-bar with h. Such a switch is not done within Schrödinger's as we are simply adding up energy terms.

Finally, it was mentioned above that Planck's and the reduced Planck's are interchangeable because they are "conversion factors between energy units and frequency units". Poppycock. Being conversion factors does NOT make them intechangeable. h and h-bar are no more interchangeable than if you plugged in "miles" into a formula which requires "kilometers". Expressed differently, it is like saying that my weight is 200, whether it is pounds or kilograms, which is nonsense. Obviously, I am 200 pounds or 200 x 0.453 kilos. If you are still unconvinced, ask NASA how much plugging pounds-seconds into a formula which was expecting newtons cost them.

Sorry for the long comment. Peace. Petervog 08:40, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * There's something ironic going on above...Tomj (talk) 21:58, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Al's Hair
Usually Al has long wavy hair, but for the video its very short and straight. I don't think he'd cut it just for a music video. Any ideas how that was pulled off? Arc88 02:38, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I was wondering the same thing. I figured he may have just gone all out and cut it for the video -- I wonder if it's been addressed anywhere. --Twilightsojourn 03:58, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, his hair looked fine when he was on Tom Green's Internet show last week. I don't know; he does weird stuff with his hair in a lot of his videos. --Maxamegalon2000 04:28, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He's mentioned that in an "Ask Al" column at one point. . . he says it involves tying his hair into very tight braids and then tucking them under a wig, and he's done it not only in the "W&N" video but also in "Ricky", "The Saga Begins", and a few others. Apparently it takes several hours and is rather painful, so let's all thank Al for being willing to suffer for his art. -- keep sleep ing   slack   off!  12:35, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No offense to him or anything, but i just think that he looks weird with the wig.-- i wanna fly  22:12, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's kinda the point *cough* =P ShadowUltra 02:32, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Added #2 on vh1's top 20 video countdown
Really, that IS an honour, for somebody to beat the BIG names like Christina Aguilera, etc. is amazing. Of course we have to keep that video current, when it starts to drop in the numbers though we will just say "it peeked at #2 or even #1 whatever. -TheBird

Useless trivia deleted?
I was surprised to see that an item I'd added was deleted with the revision comments remarking about "useless trivia." Of course it was useless trivia ;-) -- however, I disagree with its removal and have subsequently added it again with some more text hopefully illustrating its relevance.

From the first time I saw the video, the moment that stuck with me was the inclusion of an O'Reilly cover when mentioning Javascript, because it illustrates the depth of cultural references in the video. Using an O'Reilly text scores serious geek points, but I couldn't come up with a WP:NPOV way to say that; besides, it seems tangential (and obvious) to state, and the Wikipedia article on O'Reilly Media mentions how they're considered the definitive text in many computer subjects. I recognize that the significance I've placed on this moment is not necessarily universal; however, this is one of several moments Al terms "freeze frame gags". It's a nerd video, from a nerd artist, that intentionally includes several subtle gags. Besides, as long as the Trivial Pursuit questions remain in this article, I consider myself safe. ;-)

I did agree with the removal of the section claiming Al was inaccurate in his rap about pocket protectors. In "the pens in my pocket, I must protect 'em," "them" could correctly be referring to protecting the pockets. (I'm amused with myself for even commenting on that.) -Quintote 23:02, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

This gives Ridin' mega-record status?
(I seem to use Best Week Ever alot here so forgive me). But when Wierd Al got the "Best Week Ever" award, Mary St. Clair stated that Chamillionaire thought that this song gave Ridin' mega-record status. Is this true? I would find it rather ironic that a parody gives you fame and fortune rather than the original song itself.


 * Well, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.


 * And Chamillionaire (and people make fun of Al for calling himself "Weird Al"? lol) wouldn't be the first artist to view being parodied by Al as a status symbol.  Kurt Cobain in particular felt much the same about "Smells Like Nirvana". -- Pennyforth 15:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Thank you all
I'd just like to take this time to thank all of you who so meticulously researched this video, especially the person who took the time to tell me all the questions on the Trivia Pursuit card. You have proven Weird Al's point about Wikipedians in a truly priceless way. I salute you all. (And before you pester me, I should mention that, as my wife will testify, I myself am white, nerdy, and a loyal Wikipedian who has made many edits.) Roachmeister 10:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * You also need to thank the person who found and corrected the math equation--Coasttocoast 04:19, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Yearbook entry
"According to the cover of the yearbook, he was in high school in 1985. In reality, Yankovic graduated from Lynwood High School in 1976"

Is this a correction or trivia on Al himself (which would mean it's more suited to Al's own wikipedia article bio)? Is Al playing a character who graduated in '85 or is he playing himself ('76)? Maybe this distinction should factor into this.--FazzMunkle 05:35, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

ROTFLOL
What does ROTFLOL means?


 * "Rolling On The Floor Laughing Out Loud". It's a stereotypical Internet slang. --Maxamegalon2000 20:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)


 * WOW, whoever sterted this "ROTFLOL" topic is a n00b. Just google it or ask a computer geek.  (JALsnipe 18:24, 6 December 2006 (UTC))


 * I was entertained simply by the fact that his face is in relatively the same coordinate position on the yearbook page in every picture. Still kinda grumpy that the people playing chess are sitting in the wrong places, tho. Copyfilter 13:40, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

You guys are even nerdier than him
When I saw that paragraph on the math error (math constants or whatever) I was ROTFLOL. Superior1 02:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * this is wikipedia. we're here to be correct nerdy. kthxbai. LonelyPker 05:31, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean "You guys are even nerdier than he" (Couldn't resist given the context). JoshuaZ 05:38, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's more physics than math ^^. I was ROTFLOLing when I saw it because we did Schrodinger's equation for hydrogen atom in high school last week :P (and I saw the video for the first time just a few days ago)

Rumors on the internet
I have read that there is a mod that can be added to minesweeper that makes it so that you can play the games with the keyboard rather than the mouse. This appears to be the way that it is played in the music video. So perhaps the statement in the article which reads "He is incorrectly shown using his keyboard to play this mouse controlled game" should be edited. My source is http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1384277706451157121&hl=en. You will find the information if you look at the comments. The screenname under which the information is shown is pogo. Will some white nerd please verify my source and edit the article. Thank you.
 * It goes without saying, of course, that a comment from Google Video is not an acceptable source. Frankly, the entire video references section is horribly unsourced, and I'm tempted to remove all of the uncited original research. --Maxamegalon2000 06:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

You're right Mexamegalon2000; sorry about that. I am used to a much less formal transfer of information on the sites that I visit. I will definitely be more careful next time. Please delete my entry if you feel it is necessary to do so.--Guy who wrote "rumors on the internet" section.


 * Can it really be said that most of the video references section is "original research"? It's just stuff that's obvious if one watches the video, possibly requiring a bit more of an explanation for those not nerdy enough (such as the M.C. Escher reference).  If someone were to analyze the video and write a paper on it, would it really make it all that more credible? Icemuon 14:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well technically it would, if the paper was then published in a reputable place Pnkrockr 20:12, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps so, but it is unlikely to happen. If everything on Wikipedia required a published paper as a reference, then we may as well throw most of Wikipedia away.  Take a look at any page describing a music album.  There most certainly are not published papers on each album, but it is worthwhile to have these articles on Wikipedia nevertheless.  Numerous people have asked me about references in the video, and if people ask, that means they can expect to find that information on Wikipedia.  If stuff is perfectly obvious by seeing it (such as reading the names of songs on the cover of the CD you just bought) then I don't see how that can be considered "original research". Icemuon 22:36, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I still think it should be noted that he plays minesweeper with a keyboard, maybe under Errors. User:BioYu-Gi! 9:30pm 8/3/07

a capella version ?
I've been hunting around to see if there is an a capella version of this song anywhere. I know it must exist somewhere, since I've seen multiple links to expired filesharing uploads of it. It is, of course, done by putting the instrumental/karaoke version on top of the full audio version and inverting one of them, but I can't seem to get them to line up perfectly either. If Mr. Al deliberately made the instrumental different from the music heard in the full audio version to make this harder to do, would that be notable? --  NERD42 [mailto:nerd42@gmail.com EMAIL ]  TALK  H2G2 UNCYC NEWS   06:13, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Only if a reputable source mentioned it. --Maxamegalon2000 19:17, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

my opinion on a look-alike character to weird al in this video
I think Weird Al looks like the character Sean Gidcomb on MadTV played by Michael McDonald in this video. --Jack Zhang 04:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

recurring numb. 27
This makes me think of CITR (refer "Chapter 27"). Is it verifiable that this number refers to Al's number of friends and not something else (ie eh, CITR)?

27 is a number that appears in almost every Weird Al video. For instance the number of the terminal in Headline News, the number of friends on Al's myspace page in White and Nerdy, the number of the patient in Like a Surgeon, etc. Also the number 27 appears on the license plate on the cover of Straight Outta Linwood. Jsager75 04:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

possible error?
It could just be me, but in the beginning when he is rapping about D&D, does he roll for attack (d20) and damage (d8) at the same time? --vanis 01:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You can actually roll for attack and damage at the same time, it speeds up gameplay a bit. ShadowUltra 02:30, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Label on the mayonnaise jar?
It looks as if the mayonnaise jar has a unique label on it, but I can't quite read. I read maybe "Powernaise" or "Pwned-Egg."

--it says "Pest Foods"


 * Hmm. A parody of Best Foods. Must be US brand. Because I saw the same commercial, on a Canada network and then on a US network. US has Best Foods, while Canada had Hellmann's. --Addict 2006 02:58, 6 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually Hellmann's is pretty much THE mayonnaise in the US (akin to Heinz being the de facto for ketchup), and is an American company, so I don't know why you think it's Canadian. JesseRafe 15:35, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * In the '60s or so, it was called Best Foods west of the Rockies, Hellmann's East of the Rockies. Same mayo both places.  Amazing the trivia you remember from reading the Best Foods labels...


 * I grew up in the 80s and in California we still called it Best Foods. It wasn't until I moved to the midwest that I learned it was called Heilmann's in the rest of the country. Jsager75 04:11, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Vehicles
In the article you mention only the 2 cars, there is also the vehicle that Al rides in the park, anyone knows what is it? Is it a fake (special effect) or do things like this exist?
 * It's a Segway. Icemuon 15:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

The model of the Prius is a 2005 or 2006, not a 2004 or 2005 as the article as written currently states. The determination of whether or not it is an '05/'06 can be made if you look slightly ahead of the driver's side door, where a "Hybride Synergy Drive" emblem is visible on 2006 models. I can state with all certainty that it is NOT a 2004, as the body style was very different on that (2004) model. User:teflashfire

Reference to Pascal
Pascal in the song is most likely a reference to the programming language. ("At pascal, well I am number one")

-

um wow good for you! you just figured out what everyone else already knew.. dee-dee-dee --Joooeeeelllll 06:45, 21 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Not everyone else... originally I thought of the unit of stress. :-) SietskeEN 13:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Comics
I'm not sure if I should include references to the issue covers and/or story indexes. I felt it was a bit much, but to do so would be rather simple to do. Mdinowitz 21:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Google Video
On November 25th the video to White & Nerdy picked up Number 1 on Top 100 for Google Video.

Video recording time
While looking over the comic scene, I recognized some of the comics in the background. A fast lookup showed that they came out on July 19th, 2006. As they are on the 'new release' rack, that part of the video would have to be shot within a week of the 19th. I have not added this to the entry as it's probably useless trivia. Mdinowitz 13:34, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Another Reference?

 * I just noticed that Yankovic's nerd "costume" appears to be based on a young Bill Gates. Here's a shot of Gates on the cover of Time Magazine. right|thumb| Bill Gates Terek 22:47, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoohh! A 5.25" disk! ;) 惑乱 分からん 11:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Jon Katz
In the extras, is it Jon Katz? --Prod-You 07:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The extra's name is indeed Jon Katz, but not that one. The Jon Katz in the video is a gentleman in his early 20s who often posts on the Weird Al forums. --Elvis 15:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Sweet. If I knew I could get in a Weird Al video just for having been a forum regular, I would have taken that up ages ago =P  I wonder if the WA forum had some sort of drawing, or did they just pick him because of some special contribution? Moderator, perhaps? Copyfilter 13:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Screech is not there anymore
I've checked Weird Al's "whiteandnerdy" MySpace page. Screech is not there. That's what I found while comparing the list on this article and the current list on that MySpace page. What happened? --Addict 2006 02:54, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

its called "Edit Top Friends" in myspace. --Joooeeeelllll 06:47, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

How can you put big letters while on the edit screens in Wikipedia???
Everyone knows it's impossible. All you see is this tiny Courier New font. Unlike Blogger, people can't make the letters big this way. Why, sure I'd be experimenting in the Sandbox by now, trying to find the equivalent code. --Addict 2006 04:11, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright. Here's a past revision of the Sandbox. --Addict 2006 04:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm obliged to assume good faith, but you are practically giving the vandals the tools they need to vandalize further but this time "correctly." Gdo01 04:28, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The method described above doesn't achieve the effect Weird Al achieved, because it only makes the end-result big. He was actually typing in a big font. Here is how to achieve that using Internet Explorer, if you really want to know.  1. Create a new file in your favorite ASCII editor (Windows Notepad will do).  2. Type the following in the file (without the quotes): "#wptextbox1 {font-size: 100pt;}".  3. Save the file with a .css extension.  4. In IE, go to Tools -> Options.  5. Click the Accessibility button.  6. Check the box that says "Format documents using my stylesheet".  7. Click Browse and select the stylesheet you just saved.  8. Click OK twice.  From now on, the edit box of any Wikipedia page will have 100pt font size. (You may have to close IE and reopen for it to take effect.) NOTE: this doesn't affect the size of the font once the edits are saved, just the size of the actual edit page. Roachmeister 22:06, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that page he was editing was the page of this guy who sued him or something. -- Iwanna fly  05:32, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It was the record company that wouldn't publish "you're pitiful."
 * It was Atlantic Records. Even if you didn't notice that from the music video itself, you obviously have internet access to find out if you really wanted to.

Guys, the guy in the video is extremely nerdy remember? For all we know he may have had all the ascii characters automatically converted to jpegs as he typed them so that he could do exactly that. If there is no other way to do it, he could at least do that. 159.134.245.24 (talk) 17:06, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
The page is currently vandalised - 211.30.229.34 07:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You are probably seeing an old revision. There's been no vandalism on this page for 50 minutes as of the time I wrote this. Gdo01 07:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

What is Seth Green wearing?
I'm just curious if it's one of those sci-fi uniforms, although ordinarily I'd be able to identify the series. DrWho42 20:01, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

I couldn't see it very well, but it seems to be a military-looking shirt, judging by the patch on his arm. Could be military or faux- military. --80.43.60.43 10:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * [[Image:White nerdy sleeve.png|right]] One would not be surprised to find out that it was a reference to a science fiction show or movie, possibly Stargate or X-Files where you see modern-ish military uniforms, but since I've only seen this video on YouTube I can't make it out. There is a large brown rectangular patch on the left upper sleeve (shoulder sleeve insignia?) with a yellow border and a design in yellow that looks like a thick line or football-shape with red or yellow lines coming down from it. There is also a light-colored round patch on the right chest with a dark center.  (See details from a couple of rather low-res screenshots on the right.) I tried searching the U.S. Army Institute of Heraldry website using google image search for something rectangular with a gold border, but couldn't find anything that looked close except possibly that of the 37th Transportation Group.  On the other hand, their site is not complete.  It is going to take someone nerdier than I am to figure this out, or at least someone who has a DVD of the video. Crypticfirefly 05:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Cover Single?
Hey, wasn't there a single cover on the article? I remember seeing it before but dunno if someone took it out. I'm just asking. --esanchez, Camp Lazlo fan! 05:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Obsessive Fans
Whoever is digging up these references in the music video is SERIOUSLY white and nerdy. 71.126.133.13 03:08, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

Racist?
I don't think it is and don't think it needs to be part of the article, but a lot of people I know thinks it's somewhat racist. I think it's not, because he's white and white people have had a history of being nerdy. I know Chapell's Show portrays white people as nerdy.


 * I don't think it is racist because all critical (being "too much" of something) remarks are to himself, and not other people -- as racism is usually critical of others not being like oneself. However, it would seem that the overarching motive of the song is to explain why he can't hang out/roll with/bowl with with the "gangstaz", which are in the beginning portrayed as being people visibly of african descent.  While most nerds tend to be either of european or east asian descent, there are plenty of each who aren't.  I think the white and nerdy references are strictly descriptions of himself, whereas making a song about facets of being of "average height and traditional mannerisms" wouldn't make for an especially appealing tune. Copyfilter 13:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Pacman reference
No one's mentioned the outline of Pacman in red lights behind Al. Can't edit the article 'cause I don't have an account... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.36.77.198 (talk • contribs).
 * I think it was mentioned. --Addict 2006 16:05, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Verses
Why does the song only have 2 verses and 3 choruses? Why not 3 verses and 4 choruses like chamillionaire?- SCB &#39;92 14:04, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think there's been a reason given. It could be that Al ran out of ideas, or maybe he figured a shorter song would get more radio play.  If I hadn't heard the original, I wouldn't suspect that Al's version was shorter. --Maxamegalon2000 19:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Dungeons and Dragons?
After looking through the lyrics and the video of White and Nerdy, I saw no mention of Dungeons and Dragons.
 * "First in my class here at MIT, Got skills I'm a champion at D&D, M.C. Escher, that's my favorite M.C." Gdo01 01:59, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Song is cool, and I theres no mention on a dungeon nor dragons. --–  Emperor Walt er Humala  · ( shout! · sign? ) 02:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * "D&D" is an abbreviation for "Dungeons & Dragons". –Llama mantalkcontribs 02:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, ok thanks. --71.126.146.7 00:50, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Tennis Players
Anyone know who the 3 people are playing tennis with Al in the video? There is an older woman, a younger woman, and a young man. Who are they? --Joooeeeelllll 06:57, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

harry potter spoiler
I do not believe it is necessary to say the spoiler piece for two reasons: 1) it is still too soon after release; ignoring the leaked version (which is technically illegal), the book's been out for less than a day (as I write this), and even though the book page has the full plot, people looking information on the Weird Al video are going to be unprepared to find this bit of spoiler news. Thus, either we put a spoiler warning on the page which is silly, or we don't state it out of courtesy for other readers.  (this is consistent with WP:SPOILER policy, since again, this is NOT a HP page, this is a Weird Al song/video page. 2) It doesn't aid in making the joke on the trivia card understood, beyond what is already stated. All we need to say is that J.K.R. said (prior to the video) a character would die, and the trivia question extends this thought.  It is not necessary to say the result due to the events of the books is inconsistent. Plus, this entire section is way too trivia heavy with lots of unsourced statements.  The less that we put in, the better. --Masem 02:35, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

The fact that's there's too much trivia, agreed. As far as point two "doesn't aid in making the joke card...", the other questions that do have answers (all except Lindsay Lohan) have answers stated after the question. The spoiler warning shouldn't be put yet, so we should wait with the incomplete answer So, I say the answer to the Harry Potter question should be posted sometime next Saturday. Yes, it's not a Harry Potter page, but it's not an FDR or 43 men squamish page either. The only thing is with the Harry Potter question is that there's detail to the background of the question. Socby19 03:09, 22 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If we're going to have minutiae like the Trivial Pursuit card in the article, we shouldn't go into any more detail than absolutely necessary. Yay hyperlinks. --Stlemur 03:48, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

As a note, if there is a reference that is obvious in the song by following its wikilink, there is no need to explain it further; the HP note is necessary because it is NOT obvious why that question is there (it's a matter of timing, and the WP pages don't explain the fact enough to make sense of it). --Masem 02:46, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Schödinger equation
It looks like the equation behind weird Al is the schrödinger equation. However, it seems that it is not entirely correct, but I'm not 100% sure... SietskeEN 13:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, I see this was already discussed in Talk:White_%26_Nerdy, sorry. SietskeEN 13:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

F.D.R
Does anyone here know what the trivia question "F.D.R was he faking it?" meant? That confused me a fair bit. Ahmeri18 (talk) 18:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It means "Was he only pretending to be paralyzed?". --Stlemur (talk) 19:04, 29 November 2007 (UTC)