Talk:White House Office of Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships

Please give this article attention
I can't believe that a subject of such great importance in modern political discourse is reduced to such a stub. I wish I was more of an expert on the subject, but I also feel myself to be extremely biased and feel it is best if I abstain from editing the article. However, I would like to urge that attention be given to this article. Wish I could be of more help. FluxFuser (talk) 02:19, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

If someone has an NPOV complaint, please post to talk before deleting sections of text.
 * No sections of text were deleted in the edit you reverted; one word was changed.
 * My mistake, the diff looked like a paragraph had been blanked, but it was just moved.

Deleted some section calling other points of view "extremist and illiterate" because this is not the tone of an unbiased article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.161.135.69 (talk) 15:15, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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Why are David Kuo & "Tempting_Faith:_An_Inside_Story_of_Political_Seduction" not listed?

hopiakuta ; &lt;nowiki&gt; { &#91;&#91; %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] } ; &lt;/nowiki&gt;]] 00:54, 16 October 2006 (UTC) This article could be much better, I have written a legal memo on this subject. The article on the Establishment Clause is pretty fuzzy too. Because this is such a controversial area, I would stick with a legal analysis of the Supreme Court's cases dealing with faith-based funding-Mitchell and Bowen. Once the permissible current contours are established, Bush's Faith-Based Iniativie and Charitable Choice(not even mentioned) may be discussed. The Court has not yet ruled on the constitionality of Bush's plan. The Court has agreed to hear a standing case involving the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives in Hein.75Janice 20:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)75Janice 6:06 UTC 30 December 2006.

I wrote a legal memo on this topic. This article could be improved. The major U.S. Supreme Court cases and major cases already decided by federal district and courts of appeals are not even mentioned in passing. This will be my first attempt at editing an article in wikipedia. I wish someone else were involved. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75Janice (talk • contribs) 04:44, 21 February 2008 (UTC)


 * As someone who wrote a legal memo on the subject you would be uniquely positioned to improve it. Be bold, edit away.  Just be careful to cite your sources.  Unlike many editors here you would likely have extensive sources to cite so your help would be greatly appreciated.  aremisasling (talk) 19:38, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Restoring section for the record
The following discussion was removed from this page. As a record of the discussion, it is relevant that it remains, despite the fact that it refers to blogs etc that have no part in the actual article.
 * Teen Challenge
 * Why was the Investigating Teen Challenge link removed? Is the site considered irrelevant, or is this just blanking? Mbelrose 20:10, 8 March 2007 (UTC)


 * According to another edit I read "a blog is not a reliable source of information". --t (19Jun07)


 * If you can't find these two websites that are critical in exposing the 'other' side of Teen Challenge, memorize their names and then Google them.


 * Teen Challenge Exposed
 * Investigating Teen Challenge —Preceding unsigned comment added by JustTellingThe Truth (talk • contribs) 04:18, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Talk pages document the process of the development of the article, this section should remain documented in case, for example, it is raised again. WotherspoonSmith (talk) 22:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The section was removed because it was irrelevant to the article and belongs exactly where it is at - The Teen Challenge talk page.


 * yes, people often make irrelevant comments. in this case, the author was clearly linkspamming, and did so elsewhere.we keep them in the talk pages (not the main article) for the record anyway. WotherspoonSmith (talk) 01:39, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Controversy section
I attempted to clean this section up a bit. I removed mention of a comment by a blogger as the blogger, herself, provided no references or proof that she had actually called Towey. The structure was awful and did appear to be original research. I tweaked some bits that were definitely not NPOV and fleshed out the point on Obama to cover his whole stance on the issue without, I hope, crossing the line into an add for Obama. The old wording, on the other hand, seemed more like an indictment. I also added reference to one comment regarding pagans that got a lot of attention at the time at least in the pagan community.

The article still has a little bit of the bad flavor of original research and really doesn't have any counter-arguments at all (big possible NPOV?), but at least the remaining comments are cited and the NPOV wording has largely been removed. Anyway, it's better now, though far from perfect. aremisasling (talk) 19:37, 11 August 2008 (UTC)


 * I removed the entire reference to Obama's standpoint on the issue. A presidential candidate's opinion does not belong in this article, unless there was some referenced controversy over his opinion that could be included as another controversy. The statement on his opinion doesn't add anything factual to the issue and carries bias. Wingman1331 (talk) 21:03, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

New administration
This article indicates that the office no longer exists. As far as I know, the new administration hasn't done anything to abolish it at this time. It would take an executive order, as it was created by one. --Son (talk) 23:35, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Material moved over from article
The article contained a list of members of an advisory council. While such a list might have been appropriate when the council existed, this is no longer the case. To avoid the list being lost, I will move it here:

The members of the Council include:


 * Diane Baillargeon, president and CEO, Seedco, New York, New York
 * Anju Bhargava, founder, Asian Indian Women in America, New Jersey
 * Bishop Charles E. Blake, presiding bishop, Church of God in Christ, Los Angeles, California
 * Noel Castellanos, CEO, Christian Community Development Association, Chicago, Illinois
 * The Rev. Peg Chemberlin, president-elect, National Council of Churches USA, Minneapolis, Minnesota
 * Dr. Arturo Chavez, president and CEO, Mexican American Catholic College, San Antonio, Texas
 * Fred Davie, senior adviser, Public/Private Ventures, New York, New York
 * Nathan Diament, director of public policy, Union of Orthodox Jewish Congregations of America, Washington, D.C.
 * Pastor Joel C. Hunter, senior pastor, Northland, a Church Distributed, Longwood, Florida
 * Harry Knox, director of religion and faith program, Human Rights Campaign, Washington, D.C.
 * Bishop Vashti M. McKenzie, presiding bishop, 13th Episcopal District, African Methodist Episcopal Church, Knoxville, Tennessee
 * Dalia Mogahed, executive director, Gallup Center for Muslim Studies, Washington, D.C.
 * Rev. Otis Moss Jr., pastor emeritus, Olivet Institutional Baptist Church, Cleveland, Ohio
 * Dr. Frank S. Page, president emeritus, Southern Baptist Convention, Taylors, South Carolina
 * Eboo S. Patel, founder and executive director, Interfaith Youth Core, Chicago, Illinois
 * Anthony Picarello, general counsel, United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, Washington, D.C.
 * Nancy Ratzan, national president, National Council of Jewish Women, Miami, Florida
 * Melissa Rogers, director, Wake Forest University School of Divinity Center for Religion and Public Affairs, Winston-Salem, North Carolina
 * Rabbi David N. Saperstein, director and counsel, Religious Action Center of Reform Judaism, Washington, D.C.
 * Dr. William J. Shaw, president, National Baptist Convention, USA, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
 * Elder Steven E. Snow, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, Utah
 * Father Larry J. Snyder, president, Catholic Charities USA, Alexandria, Virginia
 * Richard Stearns, president, World Vision, Bellevue, Washington
 * Judith N. Vredenburgh, president and chief executive officer, Big Brothers Big Sisters of America, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
 * Rev. Jim Wallis, president and executive director, Sojourners, Washington, D.C.
 * Dr. Sharon Watkins, general minister and president, Christian Church (Disciples of Christ), Indianapolis, Indiana
 * Manjit Singh, co-founder and chairman, Sikh American Legal Defense and Education Fund (SALDEF), Washington, D.C.