Talk:White Lion/Archive 1

Not a metal band
This article should be removed from any and all heavy metal categories. White Lion were a pop band with one (semi-) heavy guitar chord per song. The "metal" label was used for marketing purposes only at a time when such bands were popular. If there were a band who sounded like them today, they would not be marketed as a heavy metal band.

Real Wikipedians say "no" to posers. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by A lizard (talk • contribs) 20:02, 26 April 2006


 * Actually, real Wikipedians don't let their personal opinions skew categorization. I agree that this band isn't "heavy metal" but it is "hair metal" and was marketed as such during their height of popularity.  As for the "poser" comment: please review WP:NPOV.  Whether you think they're posers or not is irrelevant to this article. -- Miwa * talk * contribs ^_^ 19:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

white lion is a metal band and has contributed to the music genres blues metal and glam metalVal hallen (talk) 16:28, 7 July 2010 (UTC)


 * I agree with Val hallen. They were not the heaviest glam metal band of their times, but they still were. The whole point is not in personal opinions, which are irrelevant. FateForger (talk) 18:11, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

The terms 'glam metal' and 'hair metal' are pejorative, inaccurate, and retroactively applied. However, I also don't think White Lion could be considered heavy metal. "Hard Rock" was the term used to describe bands like White Lion by the music industry contemporaneously. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:2C6:4300:2540:6C3E:D32C:3C1F:167A (talk) 21:31, 30 April 2020 (UTC)

Transformers theme song
didnt they do the theme song to transformers the movie? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.106.175.100 (talk • contribs)


 * No, they didn't. That was a band just called "Lion" - their guitarist was Doug Aldrich and lead singer Kal Swan. They released a couple short-lived EPs, and then went on to other projects. -Dawson 18:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Ironic
The band Lion's Bass player Jerry Best and White Lion singer Mike Tramp later joined forces to create Freak of Nature. Jerry also toured with mike in the summer of 2001 in support of Mike Tramp's solo albums. I Met both Jerry and Mike at a show in Tampa i even commented to Jerry on the Irony that also I once thought it was White Lion who did the Transformers Theme song.

No Way
How can anyone call White Lion a pop band...?? White Lion is not pop!! its glam metal.. i wonder if that guy who wrote it was even listend to one of their song.. try to hear: Broken Heart, Wait and Radar Love..!! its glam metal...!!

The metal that is not metal?
I think that there is no doubt that White Lion should be called a heavy metal band.

The classifications hair metal and glam metal is very much derogatory terms that first gained popularity after the eighties, to brand all the bands from the era you don't like. I have yet to read a single article og book from the period in question where the terms hair metal or glam metal is used. In any case, either one merely describes the bands fashion statements, and not their sound in any way. Still, no one have been able to answer me exactly what the musical difference between eighties heavy metal and the so-called hair bands. Their rhethorical content are certainly influenced by their surroundings, but no more so than German vs. British bands from the same period. But there is no element in the music of bands like Judas Priest and Iron Maiden that is absent in a typical White Lion song. The only real difference is that White Lion also added songs that do not fit into the traditional framework bands called "heavy metal" are supposed to work under. Which is also the case bot bands like Led Zeppelin and UFO, who both are considered godfathers of the genre. One of the few real, serious studies of heavy metal in the eighties was Robert Walser's excellent "Running With the Devil: Power, Gender, and Madness in Heavy Metal Music". Although White Lion isn't specifically mentioned in the text, it refers to artists like Bon Jovi and Poison as heavy metal, for the same reasons mentioned above. When it comes to the musical elements their songs are made out of, there is no real difference. You have the distorted guitar, the focus on "power chords", and the guitar solo. You have the same elements in the vocal style (although Mike Tramp is hardly in the same class when it comes to technical proficiency, that is hardly a point here). The rhythm section fills out the same role as it did in the slightly earlier heavy metal bands.

The only possible substitute as a term is "pop metal", as it describes a difference in sound that, factual or fictional, most people can agree with. I say that both should be added. There exists another term, LA metal, although this term is pretty much dead.

Once again, if ANYONE can find a source from the glory days of White Lion that marketed them as hair metal or glam metal, post it here. Until then, let's stick with the terms people actually used on a wide scale. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.248.16.116 (talk) 23:43, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Problems with Disambiguation
A disambiguation page is desperately needed because when you type in 'White lion' it comes up with the animal, and when you type in 'White Lion' it comes up with the band. Shouldn't this page really be called 'White Lion (band)' to save how annoyingly confusing this is?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Feathery Sunshine (talk • contribs) 17:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Excessive Quotes
These are promotional/cult of personality like quotes.--MattyMetalFan (talk) 18:07, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

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