Talk:White South Africans

Reasons for emigration
I think this section is inaccurate (or at the very least incomplete), and probably biased. but my source of knowledge isn't citable, so i'm raising it here rather than editing the page.

"Between 1995 and 2005, more than one million South Africans emigrated, citing violent and racially motivated black on white crime as the main reason, as well as the lack of employment opportunities for whites.[19]"

I'm from Australia and there were a lot of South Africans and Zimbabweans in the community where i grew up in the 1990s and early 2000s. None of them described fear of violence as the major motivating factor for leaving.

Their motives were more often economic, or just that the felt Australia was a more pleasant place to live. But not "it was dangerous there" just "it's more pleasant here".

And the economic motives weren't about there being specifically few opportunities for white people in southern Africa, more a general lack of opportunity and the white people were those who could afford to emigrate. Australia's immigration intake often advantages things like education, and can pretty blatantly favour wealth. So it would impact their likelihood of being accepted as well as the expense of moving.

Irtapil (talk) 07:53, 28 August 2020 (UTC)


 * I'm from the city with the highest number of white SA immigrants post-apartheid and everyone I know here is fully aware of how *wildly* disproportionately racist white saffas are. The chances that you yourself are racist simply covering for other racists are through the roof. What white saffas publicly claim is the reason they left is whatever they choose to claim publicly. It's usually after a few minutes' conversation that they lit slip some horrific racism. Bucktricycle (talk) 08:54, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

" None of them described fear of violence as the major motivating factor for leaving. " This is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard; South Africa as a FACT, even today after crime has actually been slowly falling for over a decade, has THE WORST homicide rate of any nation in Africa and the 12th worst recorded in the world. Every south African who I have ever heard talk about why they left mentions the extreme levels of violence and crime in South Africa and the murder rate peaked at the end and shortly after Apartheid. People in South Africa have to live in gated communities and securities complexes that border on bunkers to feel safe. I've met white South Africans personally who choose to leave because someone they knew was murdered in a racist targeted attack. I can even find youtube videos of half a dozen south africans talking about such things. Maybe people should read the wiki article for Crime in South Africa and Xenophobia in South Africa before they tell complete anecdotal lies here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_South_Africa  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenophobia_in_South_Africa  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.91.82.125 (talk) 23:15, 7 March 2021 (UTC)


 * Wow, another racist white saffa Bucktricycle (talk) 08:45, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

Lists of people
The lists of WSAns at the end of the article are constantly growing without any practical limit (except total article length). Inclusion/exclusion seems to be completely arbitrary (editors simply add their own favourites). Imho these lists should be removed, they serve no encyclopedic purpose. Category:White South African people is much better than these open ended "random sample" lists. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 16:34, 25 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Agreed. It's also an absurd category/section to begin with and I'm sure every addition to this list is motivated by white supremacy. The "White people" article has no such list, and is dominated by discussion of the imperialist history of the classification of "whiteness" and institutional racism, as this article *should* also. It's clear most of this article is editorialised from an extremely racist perspective. Bucktricycle (talk) 08:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)

hi
hi 50.26.238.66 (talk) 03:03, 7 January 2023 (UTC)


 * hey 41.114.193.252 (talk) 17:12, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2023
This picture was published without the knowledge of the person in it.

Please take it down.

}} 102.165.220.87 (talk) 18:04, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

The image is not hosted in Wikipedia so we can't "take it down" a as you put it. It has been uploaded in 2018 to Wikimedia Commons, vouched for, and accepted there at that time. If you have an issue with it, click on the image, then on the Wikimedia Commons link to go to the original posting and explain your request, with sufficient sources to be accepted, then they can take it down there and it will disappear from all of Wikipedia (not only English version). This is not the place here. -- Alexf(talk) 19:19, 4 March 2023 (UTC)

Elon Musk and Mark Shuttleworth
I have moved Elon Musk and Mark Shuttleworth out of the "Science and technology" subsection and into the "Business" section, because while they are involved in technology-intensive industries, they have not themselves been significant contributors to the field of science. They have, however, played a significant role in commercializing certain technologies in the realm of business. Shuttleworth, as the "first African in space" also does not qualify to be in the science and technology section because he paid to go to space as a tourist; he did not go to space for scientific contributions, nor was he sent there by any agency as a specialist. Therefore, while both Musk and Shuttleworth are associated with technology-intensive industries, they are themselves primarily business figures rather than scientific figures. DanielMichaelPerry (talk) 14:35, 2 July 2023 (UTC)