Talk:White Wilderness (film)

The Film
A copy of the famous film can be found on google video here. Don't know if it's worth linking on the main page, or if there are any legal issues attached - I'll let someone else work it out. - 82.19.15.73 13:20, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Now available on DVD
It is now available on DVD in Disney's 4 volume True-Life Adventures releases according to Amazon. I believe it is on Volume 1.Antmusic 00:35, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Incorrect statements about the film
This entry actually propagates another urban legend, which has not been cited as far as I can find. If you watch the film, the narrator disclaims the notion of suicide (maybe the above link will help you). He does mention the appearance of suicide, but explains their behavior as probably an attempt to migrate, and any death that occurs as being from exhaustion, and not by will to die.

Unless someone can provide a citation besides an uncited Snopes article (which just uses a "CBC report", with no link, as it's source), this section needs to be amended, which I will attempt. Also, the other claims regarding setting, as mentioned below, do not make sense, as there is footage of whales and other aquatic beasties. It may be that the lemmings sequence was filmed in Alberta, and was staged. Staging animal footage was common for nature films of the era. But that does not make the movies statements regarding Lemming migration a false endorsement of the idea of Lemming suicide.--74.209.21.133 (talk) 07:49, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

A couple of questions
These might seem like stupid questions, but firstly were the lemmings actually killed by this, and if so how did Disney get away with it? And secondly, why did they do it anyway? --Aceizace 00:16, 31 December 2006 (UTC)


 * The Snopes.com article in the External Links section lists a number of sources. Perhaps the answer is there. My assumption is that the myth already existed before the film. Presumably the filmmakers tried to film lemming suicide but failed for obvious reasons. So they cheated. That's just a guess though. Cop 633 21:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

This may be another dumb question, but lets try it: Assuming the entire film was done in Albera Canada as claimed (Alberta has no ocean or outlet to the sea - remember) then please explain where the sequences for the walrus, polar bears, ermines, jaegers, musk-ox, ring seal, caribou, and Beluga whales come from. Agreed that Lemmings aren't native to Alberta - neither are many of these.

I like facts and am not willing to trade one urban legend for another.


 * I haven't seen the film but what you say makes complete sense. Presumably it's only the lemming sequence that was filmed in Alberta. I'll try rewording it without adding anything that I don't know.Cop 633 21:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I just watched the google video clip, it looks to me like it was just clever camera work, i dont think the drop was particularly high and the lemmings were still swimming in the water. Not too sure what happened to them afterwards though. That cant be put in the article, but it might help clear things up for you. 138.217.179.154 13:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Who said the entire film was shot in Alberta? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.234.13.190 (talk) 20:41, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Picture
Umm, the picture of a lemming isn't really necessary. A poster or a movie still would be more appropriate. 71.231.56.40 04:02, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

accuracy of the rest of the film
has any research been done into the accuracy of the film other than the widely mentioned faked lemming sequence? Plugwash 00:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

New Comprehensive List
As was mentioned above, the film has been released on DVD. As a result, I have created a page to tie together/introduce the True Life Adventures as an entire series. I would appreciate it for someone to neatly mention this film as being a part of that series and link to the new page. Goblue87 23:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Lawsuit
I am pondering a lawsuit against the Disney corp for fraud and perpetuating false beliefs about wildlife and bring Animal cruelty charges. Freedom of speech does not include telling lies.

Supercool Dude (talk) 15:40, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Im wondering if Disney weere sued for kill these animals... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.49.19.153 (talk) 14:03, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Monsanto and http://www.proliberty.com/observer/20001204.htm Unfortunately, this is the problem. Sweetfreek (talk) 05:01, 23 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Actually freedom of speech almost exclusively covers the telling of lies. That's what the news media rely on. It's rare that its other coverage, prevention of censorship, actually gets used. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 05:35, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

The Lemming with the Locket
Disney actually further promoted this myth in the Duck Tales episode, "The Lemming with the Locket." The episode ends with a mass lemming migration that disappears into the sea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.64.217.18 (talk) 21:19, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Andrew Rice Campaign Video
An upload of the video can be found here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KShl3xFwUVs --Rayne117 (talk) 09:08, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Influence on the game Lemmings
This film seems directly responsible for the popular computer video game Lemmings. I think it should be mentioned somewhere. 76.200.159.90 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC).

Did Cruel Camera Actually Get It Wrong?
The Cruel Camera doc claims that a turntable was used to "fling" the lemmings off the cliff, a claim which is reproduced here. Every other source I've seen on this refers separately to the use of turntables to film fake migration footage, and to lemmings being herded off the cliff by people off-camera, but I can find no other reference to the unlikely claim that the turntable was used to force them off the cliff (and for that matter, I have a hard time imagining how one would even accomplish this). Anyone able to find other sources not citing that doc that explain this claim at all? Bolddeciever (talk) 17:46, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
 * It doesn't claim that a turntable was used to fling them. It only claims that a turntable was used.  At the same time that he says this, they show a clip of lemmings appearing to run in a frenzied manner toward the cliff's edge.  He's implying that the turntable was used to make them dizzy to make their running look frenzied.  He never said they were launched from the turntable.  (It is not stated, but they were probably tossed or pushed off the edge.)  Bueller 007 (talk) 06:24, 10 October 2017 (UTC)


 * This smells fishy. Another wiki article admits the lemmings were purchased, then pushed off a cliff. This article still candy-coats it.  "It?"    Quote: "Even though it was legal (if unethical) in 1958, it was unlikely..."  If the "it" can't be named, should it be used at all? Are Di$ney employees or enthusiasts keeping it off? Is "it," (pushing cute large-eyed, fuzzy Disneyesqe creatures off a cliff for special effects and higher profits) too gruesome/unpleasant for Wikipedia? Why is the Snopes evidence referenced but not used?  Quote:    The lemmings supposedly committing mass suicide by leaping into the ocean were actually thrown off a cliff by the Disney filmmakers. The epic "lemming ..." -- Alaska Department of Fish and Game.   ...that's looking one minute on google, duh. Just saying....   Cheers!  --2602:306:CFCE:1EE0:C1D:4479:38BA:D508 (talk) 15:22, 30 May 2018 (UTC)Doug Bashford