Talk:White buffalo

NOTE TO ADMINISTRATORS Spirit Mountain Ranch Vandalism, Commercial Advertisement and POV
Someone (most likely these people from Spirit Mountain Ranch) have been vandalizing Ma-hi-ya-sqa and placing advertising, WP:POV WP:V and other content which fails and is not in compliance with factual writing. Please monitor this article and **BLOCK** these people from putting advertising banners and disrepecting Native beliefs. Being born an "Albino" is not a birth defect any more than being born a Negro or Indian is a "birth defect". These people are simply using Wikipedia for adverstisement and reverting edits, posting POV, and vandalizing other pages about other White Buffulo considered sacred. Please monitor this article. 67.177.11.129 06:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC

A "native" speaks on behalf of the White Buffalo of Spirit Mountain Ranch...

The 'people at the Spirit Mountain Ranch" don't vandalize web sites. In fact the "people at the ranch" are very respectful and do believe in native american culture. Albino babies tend to live for not more than a few days, all albino babies from all the animal nations. some do live beyond the first few days but it is rare. look up albino in the dictionary...then make your judgment on whether or not it is a "defect" or anomaly. The White Buffalo at Spirit Mountain ranch are also considered sacred by many in this world, as well as Elders from many nations. Wallace Black Elk visited these very same white buffalo and a had a vision afterward. I see nothing wrong with informing people that there are white Buffalo in this world. what you may see as advertisement is simply information to me. If there is non-factual writing then, maybe instead of getting upset, asking about or investigate the "actual truth". then let us know your findings. I have been to the ranch and been a part of sacred native ceremonies and prayer there. I see no ignorance from the spirit mountain ranch about the white buffalo the significance to the native culture. Miigwech, Redhawk Woman —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.60.90.152 (talk) 03:35, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

There is no such thing as "native american culture". There are many cultures which arise from the many nations (ie. Lakota) and groups of nations (ie. Lakota, Dakota, Nakota, etc.) which hold different beliefs. Despite superficial similarities, any attempt to generalize them to a culture in the singular is disrespectful, and indicative of the mindset of those who wish to profit (even if only in the spiritual sense) from aggregating such belief systems into something they can dance to despite the fact that the drums they hear are imaginary. Where are you when time comes to participate in "sacred native ceremonies and prayer"? Paying your entrance fee and getting your spiritual ticket punched. Where are you when there is a need for someone to cut firewood for a grandmother living in a truck-back camper sitting out on the Oglala grassland in mid-winter? No where to be found. She froze to death. True spirituality is rooted in life. Yours wasn't big enough to reach that far, because your life does not include doing such daily living tasks for those in need (other than a possibly spiritually bankrupt self). I hope you feel bad, because this means you have enough spirit in you to serve to correct your deficiencies. Try not be yourself before trying to be one of anything. Drmcclainphd (talk) 23:48, 24 May 2012 (UTC) drmcclainphd

Of course there are many cultures which arise from the many nations. There is no need for the attack on me. I was not attempting to generalize anyone or nation, it is your perception and twisted words that did so. I do not profit from any such thing you mentioned above, I walk the in the way of my people, I always come in a good way, and I have never paid for any ceremony, in fact i get very upset at those who do charge for ceremony. When it comes time to participate in ceremony Iam where Iam supposed to be, ceremony is not just something I do it is my way of life, I treat all with honor and respect, just like my elders taught me. Iam not on the Olgala grassland because there are elders and young ones right where I live who need caring for, I do chop wood, tend fire, feed our hungry and pray for us all, not just once in a while either. I also do not judge others and I follow the sacred teachings... My family too know hardship and challenges, to assume you know me at all tells me alot. I send you respect and love to relieve the pain you carry, — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.189.12.215 (talk) 06:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

"I was just writing to inform you"
Good call on the move, I wasn't sure what to do with that. Jordanmills 13:27, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

rewrite
I think the first paragraph had the description backwards; I think a non-albino white buffalo is born white and turns brown later; that's what the description of the buffalo named Miracle further down in the article says. I've done a substantial rewrite, putting the known white buffalo into chronological order (with the spirit mountain herd lumped together).

I don't know if the spirit mountain bison are albinos; they claim they are not beefalo; is there some condition besides albinism that could cause a buffalo to be born white and stay white throughout its life? I also don't know the cause of the coloration for the Tupelo and Buffalo Crossing (Kentucky) critters. Akb4 07:35, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

See a male white buffalo at Royal Gorge Bridge
The small zoo at Royal Gorge Bridge just outside of Cañon City, Colorado has a male white buffalo (not an albino). I'm a bit confused by some of the claims about the rarity of the "white buffalo". I spoke to a native American (First American) at his shop in Manitou Springs, CO and he explained to me that it is the female that is extremely rare while the male white buffalo is not that uncommon. Anyone care to explain the genetics involved in this phenomenon? (only facts please)

It sounds to me like an X-linked recessive variation. Such a chromosome variation, if they do not compromise the health of the creature, would be much more common in males than in females. This is because males have one X chromosome while females have two. So if a male has the variation on his X chromosome it would be expressed. However a female would have to have it on both of her X chromosomes, from both parents, in order for it to be expressed. If the probability of a gene carrying this trait is p, then the probability of a male with this trait is p while the probability of a female with this trait would be p-squared.

An easily studied example of this is color blindness in humans. This is carried on the X chromosome, so colorblind people are much more likely to be male than female. On the other hand, the calico color pattern is also carried on the X chromosome but it's associated with various systemic weaknesses in the creature. So male calico cats are extremely rare because they usually die in utero or shortly after birth. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.130.95.103 (talk) 02:09, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Additional White Buffalo
I just added another white buffalo to the list. I cited the source in the body of the edit, but I will also try to add it into the "external links". By the way, I looked at the gallery of white buffalo on the "Spirit Mountain" web page. The picture with the good frontal view clearly shows a black snout. That one is not albino. claimman75 haha theres alot to here cause theres —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.242.75.194 (talk) 19:51, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Miracle Moon DNA ref
I am leery about the ref I added to Miracle Moon's DNA. If it is deemed non-reputable or a POV article I understand. 71.234.215.133 (talk) 00:43, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Africa
I'm pretty sure the "buffalo" talked about in that source a water buffalo, not a bison. I'm removing it 173.183.181.214 (talk) 21:20, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Additions to "Miracle" section
I added the second half of the material on the Heider's calf Miracle. This is encyclopedic content and is verifiable. However, the source and verification defy the stated definitions in the page on verifiability as there is no "published" to refer to. It is verifiable by inquiring with the source, which would be the most appropriate manner. I sat at Chief Joseph Chasing Horse's kitchen table, and he told me these things. I was there showing him satellite pictures that gave evidence that the Black Hills region was an astrobleme. I was doing so in part because he had been asked by NASA Chairman Michael Griffith to write a book on the Lakota creation myths, which held that Paha Sapa (the Black Hills area) was created when a piece of the sky fell down and touched the Earth with fire, and so preserve and support myth with convergent evidence. Chief Joe refused to write such a book, not because of any conflict between belief and science (he admires both) but because written word is not the Lakota way. He offered instead to produce a series of recordings of the mythology as spoken word, with an attending booklet containing the iconic imagery typically used to accompany long standing spoken word collections such as this. The source does not hold to "published" as necessary for information to be considered valid, and is sometimes even inappropriate. The chairman of NASA agreed. If this is not acceptable to Wiki***, feel free to remove it, because the lack of cultural egalitarianism would be equally unacceptable. And heaven forbid someone should actually be expected to use a telephone and call Chief Joe (in Rapid City SD) to verify, because that would take two minutes instead of many times that verifying a print quote, and they might end up actually talking with someone. Drmcclainphd (talk) 00:31, 25 May 2012 (UTC) drmcclainphd
 * That wouldn't be acceptable, see WP:VERIFY. Dougweller (talk) 12:37, 15 March 2013 (UTC)

Requested move 2 March 2015

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: Not moved  &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 11:09, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

White buffalo → White bison – White African buffaloes: http://www.wildlifeextra.com/go/news/leucistic-buffalo.html White water buffaloes: http://www.gingernomads.com/2012/05/09/excellent-nong-khiaw-northern-laos/ These being true white buffaloes. Editor abcdef (talk) 10:09, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Comment are you proposing to turn this pagename into a disambiguation page? -- 70.51.200.101 (talk) 02:46, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. In the English-speaking world "white buffalo" overwhelmingly commonly means what this article describes. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:17, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Oppose. I agree with Necrothesp. Darrah (talk) 15:05, 5 March 2015 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

Bison vs. Buffalo
Bison are an American mammal. Buffalo are African and Asian mammals with no genetic link to Bison. Why not change the title of the page to White Bison and use the slang name as the redirection link?

(Also shouldn't all the proper nouns be capitalized? i.e. American Bison) PSGer (talk) 21:16, 24 March 2015 (UTC)


 * Re-visiting a previous closed discussion. See the comments there. Darrah (talk) 05:04, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

New White Buffalo to add
Hello! I just saw that a new white bison calf has been born at the African Safari Wildlife Park in Port Clinton, Ohio. They have shared a picture (and boy is it cute!), but I'm not finding information on the gender nor the date of birth. As I don't know how to edit Wikipedia articles, I thought I should bring it to someone's attention. Their website (africansafariwildlifepark.com) is not saying anything, yet they posted it to their facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/africansafariwildlifepark/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.255.0.27 (talk) 22:15, 18 May 2016 (UTC)