Talk:Whitney Houston/Archive 3

Picture
I think the front picture should be change. It should be a shot of her in her prime in the 80s or 90s. That is when she had her success and that is what people remember her by. The current picture doesn't really look like her. Her eyes look closed and you can't make out the details of her face. It just looks like any black woman. Also, there needs to be a picture in the Drug section. Readers need to know how far she fell. How about the Michael Jackson Appearence? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoop85 (talk • contribs) 02:28, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

I agree the photo should be changed as well. The photo from the pre-grammy party this year would be a great photo. http://www.whitney-fan.com/images/20080209/002.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.193.174.13 (talk) 17:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


 * the current picture should be replaced with one where her boobies are more covered up. 75.45.193.143 (talk) 01:44, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect
I just checked the RIAA homepage and the album Whitney is only 9x platinum, not diamond as stated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.23.51.79 (talk) 00:12, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

First of all how can both "One Wish" and "Just Whitney" both be her lowest selling album? Surely, only one can be. Secondly, "Just Whitney" did not fall off the charts after a disastrous Prime Time interview. She did the interview before the album was released (so that's incorrect), and the interview was the highest rated television interview in history so I'm sure NBC and Whitney would balk at your claim of disastrous. When the album was released if debuted in the Top Ten and had her highest first week sales ever. The album simply fell off due to lack of promotion from an LA Reid ran-Arista. In fact, many artists at that time had underachieving releases: Madonna, Mariah Carey, Mary J Blige, TLC, Toni Braxton, Alanis Morrisette, Janet Jackson... the list goes on and on and on. So it's incorrect to blame the interview for the album's performance. In fact, because of the interview, that may have been why she had her highest first week sales. And why this big section about her father trying to sue her, and her being booed at the Soul Train Awards in (what! 1989?). Mariah Carey has been dragged into court numerous times, accused of stealing somebody's songs; and Mariah was sued by her mother and sister but that's not in her article. How about a little fairness people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 04:28, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Well One Wish is a Xmas album so it isn't expected to sell much, whereas Just WHitney definitely is the lowest selling since it was a studio album.

And Just Whitney did fall off the charts thanks to the interview, since that interview showed how bad her public image was and she admitted to drugs, thats the reason why radio refused top play her songs. And if she wasn't on drugs, she could have promoted better, thats not the labels fault though. No matter how much promotion you do, if you admit to using drugs and deny you have an addiction, you're not gonna sell.

And the Soul Train mention is needed, because she WAS critized for not being black enough, thats a fact and all her documentaries mention it, why should this be an exception? That critism shaped her musical and even personal choices after it too.

Actually, the interview is not why it fell off the charts. If you pay attention, the week after the interview she had her highest first-week sales ever with over 200,000 copies sold. It initially made people curious, circuses can do that. It wasn't until there was no promo following it, that the album flopped. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.136.138.212 (talk) 19:17, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

That's true. The high rated interview spawned sales. But there was no follow up promotion by Arista, ran by LA Reid at the time. He also did little promo for Toni Braxton and TLC, chosing instead to sink the money into current projects by Usher, Pink, and Outkast. Whitney did her part, I saw her on numerous shows, music videos, Boston Public, etc. But regardless of how big and famous you are, you are not going to sell well without promotion. It's actually to her credit that she went platinum in the U.S. and sold three million worldwide without much promotion by the label.

Introduction
What happened to the introduction? Its suppose to give a brief summary of her career and legacy, while highlighting her most famouse peaks and lows. This one does NOT. Instead, it seems like some fan has just randomly added a bunch of records and it has no flow whatsoever. I think the administrater needs to give this person a warning. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shoop85 (talk • contribs) 03:18, 22 December 2007 (UTC) Hi just read what Whitney Houstons Hits were number one in New Zealand. I can say that in addition to I will always love you and I wanna dance with somebody, My love is your love and Exhale also hit the top spot here in New Zealand. Thanks thats all. if you want proof go to nzcharts.com

Genres

Why isnt Soul included as one of her genres?? she is one of the most recognized soul artists. And Jazz too, most of her earlier songs where jazz influenced. What genre can one put the song tell me no?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.240.136.137 (talk) 15:13, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

I deletet the part of the first to albums going diamond an being the only female to do so, she isn't the only Britney Spears did the same thing and I'm doubting whitney's second album already being diamond —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.21.60.224 (talk) 17:51, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Miscarriage - appropiate?
I understand that it is public knowledge because the media reported it, but is it really necessary to have that bit about her miscarriages? Is this truly encyclopedic knowledge or tabloid fodder? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.210.77 (talk) 03:56, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it is appropriate. Its was widely publisized and I think it proves that despite all of Bobby's bad behavior, she was committed to this relationship and really wanted to raise a family. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dswhite85 (talk • contribs) 17:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.240.136.137 (talk) 15:05, 6 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Any talk of miscarriages don't belong here. That's more for a website like, oh I don't know, I'll make something up; "Tabloidfodder.com". Unless a doctor was telling her at that time that she could never have children and she was trying and kept miscarrying, then maybe it could be included under those circumstances. But if she just miscarried, than it doesn't need to be here. I want everyone to know I'm neutral when I say this: But how can miscarriages be included in Whitney's article but, say, Mariah Carey has been pulled into court on numerous occassions for stealing songs, and that doesn't appear in her article? Something like that should definetly be mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.39.149.13 (talk) 06:44, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The wikipedia is not censored. If you are adding anything that you may think might be inappropriate, take a second to read that page and then realize, that if its a fact, then its okay. As long as something that you add has a reputable fact, no original research, its okay to make a section about.  ✬Dillard421✬ (talk • contribs)  15:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

John Houston Dispute
I think this section either needs to be removed or expanded on. There is so much missing information. It was both her dad and Kvin Skinner, they got her out of the Hawaiin pot bust and got her the new contract, it was never really confirmed whose side the dad was on. All this stuff is missing! Also, the dad NEVER appeared on TV, he was dying, thats a lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dswhite85 (talk • contribs) 16:03, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Osama bin Laden
Is there any relationship between Whitney Houston and Osama bin Laden? 118.71.150.180 (talk) 02:24, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

 Do you think there is?

Actually, one of bin Laden's former "girlfriends" said that he believed Houston to be the most beautiful women he'd ever seen and was obsessed with her.  --Acero2310 (talk) 08:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

#1 Singles?
Is this section really necessary? Other similar artists (Madonna, Mariah Carey) don't have this section. I'm putting in it in the Discography Article. Shoop85 (talk) 20:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)Shoop85

New Album Release Date
When is the true release? In the introduction, it is cited that the album will be in stores in october, however, when i read the source, there was no topic about it, only saying that whitney has been recording... then, in the New beginnings- 2006 section, it was said that in jet magazine, her album will be available in april...

When is the true release date? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.54.68.114 (talk) 00:21, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Clive has said during some Pre-Grammy party feature that he expects it out the first half of November 08. I can't find the source right now so I cant add it to the page. WhitneyWorld (talk) 03:00, 17 February 2008 (UTC)WhitneyWorld.

Clive constantly talks about the release date yet there is ample proof that the final songs for the album have not been chosen?

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Hope you enjoy? It was very nice when this site has a link here on Whitney`s Wikipedia site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Souldivo (talk • contribs) 19:30, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

Caudwell Children's Legend Ball
Should this be added - reported perfromance is May 8, 2008. and Shakir (talk) 18:20, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Randy Cunningham???
Whitney Houston was "romantically linked to American football star" Randall Cunningham, not convicted felon and former Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunningham. Why hasn't anyone noticed this before? 216.235.157.18 (talk) 15:58, 9 April 2008 (UTC)Chris, April 9, 2008

picture
someone please find a better picture of her! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.166.203.173 (talk) 04:55, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

It is horrible with those boobies. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Iggy Ax (talk) 14:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree, that picture is not appropriate due to the way the camera caught her. Seems to me someone is just trying to be funny.

CHARITY GIG
I think it should be mentioned that just as recently as March 2008, Whitney was offered $3 million dollars to perform for one hour at a London charity event. Why is this not in the article? It shows her place in the music industry, and even though she hasn't released and album in six years, she is still offered $3 million for an hour-long performance. Actually, I'm surprised this is not already in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 18:54, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * As much as I agree about her deserved place in the music industry, there is no consistent figure quoted for her performance, nor was it officially disclosed. The performance, however, has been cited as fantastic, and therefore should be mentioned, as was the Kuala Lampur one.  Though stating that she was paid $3 million is more speculation than fact  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brendand (talk • contribs) 15:54, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

A mention of this really needs to be in the article. Most performers make $3 million after a full blown tour over various cities with numerous performance, and she makes it with one 60-minute concert. Numerous websites have reported on it, so this goes beyond speculation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 20:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Greatest Love Of All Discription
I feel that describing it as a 'black pride' anthem is not the most flattering for the meaning & power of the song. It could be described more as an inspirational anthem or just a power ballad anthem. Signing it to one group & not others, is not neutral. Please someone edit this out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jessicarabit (talk • contribs) 00:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Done.Jkolak (talk) 04:40, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I Will Always Love You used in the Christian, Lion Cub reunion video
After reading about all of Whitney Houston's work with charities, I was wondering if someone knows how the subject item came about? It was very generous of Ms. Houston + record company to allow the use of this song in the video if this was the case. What a perfect combination! What an excellent way to bring attention to the good work done for animal conservation.79.160.102.44 (talk) 02:13, 3 August 2008 (UTC) Anita Sørhaug (Norway)

Guide Me, O Thou Great Jehovah?
The traditional hymn is Guide Us, O Thou Great Jehovah as reported in Wiki hymnal articles. Does anyone know if Whitney used a variant version changed for a particular hymnal, or if it was changed especially for her performance?Jkolak (talk) 04:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Robyn Crawford
Why does the text assert that Whitney was romantically involved with Robyn, and then cite the Rolling Stone interview where she most emphatically denies it? Surely this is a violation of the Wikipedia Living Persons biography policy. If facts substantiate the allegation, it should be cited. Otherwise the allegation should be deleted.Jkolak (talk) 04:12, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree. There's no reason that should be in there. And eveytime its removed, someone keeps putting it back in there. She said its not true, that should be it. Why mention it and then direct it to a link, that does not substantiate it. Good point. This same person also keeps stating Arista's goal was to break her to a black audience and then make her crossover, that's why they released "You Give Good Love". That's totally untrue. That person was not there so how would they know? You do not need to carefully break a black singer to a black market with an R&B song, it kinda just happens. Arista's plan from the beginning was to make her a major artist, not just an R&B artist. That's why they pushed "You Give Good Love" to mainstream radio, and it went to #3 on the main Hot 100 chart. Also stop putting "Someone For Me" failed at radio in the US; it didn't have a US release. And stop putting she was "selling out". That's not the type of phrase you are supposed to read in a encyclopedia article. Someone out there obviously takes there knocking of Whitney Houston very seriously.

Dispute
Before I request protection for this page for a the dispute, I'll give the two involved editors a chance to hash this out. I want to remind ALL parties that incivility will not be tolerated and if anyone reverts anything while this discussion is ongoing, all bets are off. Now....there seems to be some disagreement over Houston's vocal range and the sources being used to back up those claims. Can someone please provide the sources that are being used and I'll have a look at them. Pinkadelica (talk) 22:58, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Here are my sources:  Tribal44 (talk) 23:03, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

Here are mine: (This was a Miami Herald aricle posted on a Whitney fansite)


 * Ok, I checked all three sources (thanks for providing them) and I have a problem with all three. The first one (from musicstarx.net) appears to be a blog of some sort which isn't reliable by Wikipedia standards. In fact, it seems like it was copied from Wikipedia at some point. There's even a "Contents [hide]" (which is very Wikipedia-ish) part at the end of the first paragraph which would indicate that it was at least copied from here or another site similar to Wikipedia at some point in time. I'd be more inclined to use that as a source if it were written by a music authority, but as far as I can tell, that's not the case. The second source appears to be an unofficial fansite/lyrics site that is now defunct (which probably explains why it's from the Google cache). That is 'not reliable in any way, shape or form. As for the Miami Herald article on the Whitney fansite, I find that questionable. It was submitted by a fan which is fine, but it says at the top that it was edited. I don't know if that means that parts were left out or if someone added something to it (doubtful, but it is unclear). I would feel more confident about using that as a source if a photocopy or scan were provided, but that isn't the case. If I were doing a verifiability check on the article and found these sources, I would definitely remove the first two and probably question the third and ask for a backup source. I suggest finding new references because the first two can't be used and the third is, at best, questionable.


 * I didn't ask earlier, but looking back at the history, I gather this dispute is over whether Houston is a soprano or a mezzo-soprano. I did a little digging and found that she has been classified as a mezzo-soprano in two different sources. In the book Pocket Karaoke, she is classified as such see here via Google books. She is also (seemingly) noted as such in another book, Rock 'n' Roll Gold Rush (another Google books link). Personally, I'm not please with the two book sources either as I'd rather have something that explicitly state her voice type, but I was in a hurry. I'm about to do a more extensive search and I encourage you both to do the same. If no other sources can be found, I think classifying Houston as a mezzo-soprano is probably the best recourse. However, I'm not ruling out the soprano classification either (forgive me if I'm using incorrect terminology here), but with no reliable sources, we have to go with what can be reliably sourced. Again, I encourage you both to look for additional sources. We're not looking for a plethora of sources here, just one or two that are reliable and explicitly state what the content states. Pinkadelica (talk) 03:39, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it possible that Houston started out a soprano and her voiced changed? I'm finding some conflicting reports that state her voice has deepened due to age and "other things". If this is the case, shouldn't both types be listed or is that simply not possible? Pinkadelica (talk) 03:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, here's the original Miami Herald article. It's the same thing that was on the other website. it might not show everything because you have to pay for it. Here it is: http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=MH&s_site=miami&p_multi=MH&p_theme=realcities&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0EB4DB43E05327A8&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM69.250.190.172 (talk) 20:49, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Thank you! Now on to find a source of her true voice :} Tribal44 (talk) 16:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

Whitney started out as a soprano. Her voice changed and is now a mezzo-soprano. I don't have the sources but it's true regardless. But at the end of the day. why does it even matter? Who cares what voice type she is? Can we just leave that part out. Same with octaves. Who cares how many octaves she has? Lets just stick with important facts. Also I think this page does need its page protection back. Ever since it was removed, people have been adding silly drug comments like writing in "crack head" to her occupations. It is annoying to keep having to fix those immature vandalism.Shoop85 (talk) 03:02, 11 October 2008 (UTC)Shoop85

She is totally BASS
Whoever keeps changing it, you really need to leave voice type as Soprano not mezzo, she can go up high.

She is a mezzo-soprano, sorry. Tribal44 (talk) 17:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)Tribal44

Sorry, she's a soprano. Your source used an old Wikipedia page. Compare: to   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 5 octaves (talk • contribs) 20:53, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry again,  —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tribal44 (talk • contribs) 21:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, your new source was also from an old Wikipedia site.5 octaves (talk) 21:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Since mezzo-soprano and soprano are both soprano, why not just leave it as soprano? It's like saying someone is from Manhattan or New York City, either way its New York City. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 02:31, 19 February 2009 (UTC)