Talk:Whitney Houston albums discography/Archive 1

First opinion
Definitely merge. The main page should be the one with the name closest to wiki common use for other artists Thatcher131 02:50, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I just went ahead with it. It seemed ridiculous to have two pages with the same content.  This one was formatted better anyway.  Iamvered 00:47, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Waiting To Exhale soundtrack
Why is the soundtrack to Waiting to Exhale listed as a WH album? She contributes only 3 songs to the album so I dont think it should be listed as one of her albums. With something like The Bodyguard, the album is absolutely associated with Whitney - she is the reason it sold 30 plus million. But that isnt the case with Waiting to Exhale. There were lots of high profile singles released from it...Rimmers 18:59, 30 April 2006 (UTC) My god, Mariah fans, stop it! Only you care about it! Whitney contributed 3 songs, she was Executive Producer of the album, she was main actress in the movie! Still not enough Why is the soundtrack to Waiting to Exhale listed as a WH album?

It should be a Whitney Houston album because she was asked by Babyface to do the album and originally wanted her to the whole album. She declined saying it should be array of female artists and should be considered a WH album because it was released through her record label Arista.

Wait it would be appropriate to list it under "Soundtracks" and I don't know why it's not listed under their. Heegoop, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Whitney's official site
Whitney's official site claim the Bodyguard sold 42 million and Waiting to exhale sold 13 million. it's right here: http://www.whitneyhouston.com/. This is the new and updated site.


 * No, it does not. The Bodyguard soundtrack has only sold 37 million copies while the Waiting To Exhale soundtrack sold 9.5/10 million worldwide.72.94.46.148 04:10, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes it does. Go on the bio section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.250.190.172 (talk) 21:49, 16 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations Whitney!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.26.128.249 (talk) 01:52, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Exxagerated sales
Seriously, this page needs some revamping. Somebody decided to boost sales of certain albums (Whitney Houston/The Bodyguard Soundtrack, etc.).

Shouldn't this be merged with the Whitney Houston article? Why do we need a separate page for her discography?

this page needs better organisation the tables are just messed up. I doubt the sales are boosted given that the sources given for them are quite recognisable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.240.136.137 (talk) 07:04, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Studio albums
One wish is a studio album according to billboard and all music. See embedded sources on Whiteny Houston (Lil-unique1 (talk) 18:24, 15 September 2009 (UTC))


 * Soundtrack**

How was The Preacher's Wife Left Out? Was that not a soundtrack?EvangMoore (talk) 04:28, 9 December 2009 (UTC)EvangelEvangMoore (talk)

One Wish
There is alot of changing of the one wish: the holiday album from studio to holiday and vise versa. I think it's fair to say that it is not a studio album. It says it in the title One Wish: The HOLIDAY album. But even though on the page it remains that is a holiday album, on the I Look To You article it says it is her 7th studio album, meaning that whoever wrote the article regards one wish as a studio when it is clearly not, it is her 6th, so shouldn't it say I Look To You is her 6th?
 * One Wish is a studio album according to Billboard, Allmusic, and MTV. It is like Mariah Carey's Merry Christmas and Celine Dion's These Are Special Times, both are studio albums.Bluesatellite (talk) 22:24, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Christmas albums are indeed studio albums, like Celine, Mariah, Gloria etc, but as One Wish has 2 previously released songs and only 9 new ones it could be classified as a compilation.

OVER 200 MILLION RECORDS ?
Well...over 200 million records sounds really false cause if it is 200 M then she sold more than Mariah and Celine ???? No way they are the only female artist who recieved from WMA for Best selling Female Artist Of All Time. Whitney sold 150 Million Records --90.148.21.251 (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I know. Someone keeps inflating her record sales. She's sold over 170 million records. She still is one of the best selling female artists of all time. No need to inflate her sales.


 * C'mon, when WMA was for Mariah? 10 years ago? People still are buying Whitney records!

Well, check the source. Does it check out? 76.112.102.98 16:48, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Mariah Carey has received sixteen World Music Awards, the most for any artist, the last WMA she received is in 2005 (she won 3). By the way, people are still buying Mariah & Whitney records! --90.148.21.251 (talk) 18:00, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

It is public news that The Bodyguard Soundtrack is now the 2nd biggest selling album of all time with 42.000.000 units shipped.
 * Well, you can't say that Mariah and Celine are the best-selling because of they received WMA (Chopard diamond). This award is given for artist who just sold over 100 MILLION, not for best-selling of whatever.. Elvis reported sold at least 300 million (3x 100 million) but WMA hasn't given the award to him. Madonna, who sold 200 million albums according to IFPI, has not received too. So, my point is don't say that Celine and Mariah are the best-selling just because fake award WMA.Bluesatellite (talk) 22:50, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Charts wrong?
I just checked out I'm Your baby tonight's page. Canadian Albums Chart on the page says 12 and on the discography page says other number. Which is true? Similarly, Just Whitney... - Did it reach the position of top eighty on Canadian Albums Chart? Could someone provide a source for that too? Novice7  talk  11:41, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
 * This entire discography needs reworking. Its an utter mess. I've tried doing it once before but it needs constant supervision because it gets attacked by IPs. --  Lil_℧niquℇ №1 &#124;  talk2me  12:18, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

All at once is listed at #99 in the UK. It was expected it would peak there following her death but did it actually end up doing so, or when the final tallies were done did it just miss the top 100?

Proposed split
Hi everyone, so Novice asked me what I thought of splitting the article for a "albums" and "singles" discographies. For anyone who isn't sure about it, check out them for Mariah Carey's albums and singles discos. So I remembered we had a discussion for it when it was time for Carey, and the consensus (5 of us all agreed) to split the page. So this kind of thing needs consensus. Houston I would say has at least 70% of Carey, Dion and Madonnas sales and material so I think its worth discussing. Can you all express if you agree with splitting the article or not? Obviously, it would follow significant clean-up and adding of single and album information. Thanks!-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   05:30, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Personally, I'm neutral for now. I'll wait to hear more from other editors before making my final decision.-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   05:31, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Truthfully im neutral as well, the article itself is 73 kilobytes long so in that sense it should be split, but the lead is ridiculously long. Im leaning more towards oppose because of the "Singles certifications and sales" section could easily be merged into singles section thus removing much of the articles size. I think im going to say no, for now. - (CK)Lakeshade  -  talk2me  - 05:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that it needs to be split. It clocks in at just over 70k, which isn't that big. I prefer one centralised discography unless it is getting ridiculously big. I can't say I'd be distraught if it were split, but I'm leaning towards keep as one. Adabow (talk · contribs) 05:43, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The only thing I'd like to remind you of is that the discography isn't really developed. I mean, most of the singles certifications aren't present, and almost no info about the singles is listed in the lead. So if we split, I'm sure we could have a very healthy 50k each.-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   05:46, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe it is a better idea to expand the discography so it is ready for FLC, disregarding the split option, and then have a discussion? Adabow (talk · contribs) 06:00, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

I hope I'm clear enough. Thank you. No vice 7 Talk  14:24, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral to weak oppose Need more singles and albums, like other artist, for a split. Not a good idea for know. Happy Thanksgiving Tb hotch Ta lk C. 05:48, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support i support anything that will help expand Wikipidias coverage of topics (its y we are all here and our founding principle). I would guess that in the split more info would be added and things made uptodate. If a rule prevents you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore it.Moxy (talk) 05:59, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support - I see no reason why it can't be split following the success of the Mariah Carey Discgrophies. I'm sure if there were any content concerns regarding Mariah Carey's articles then it would have been brought up in the discussion. Afro  ( Talk ) 06:05, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose, Whitney's recording materials haven't been as much as Madonna or Carey. I think both albums and singles can still be placed in one page. Bluesatellite (talk) 06:42, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Oppose at least for now. I think the albums discography would be very thin indeed. What is much more a urgently needed is a clean-up of the article as it is. The intro text needs English corrections and trimming, the tables need styling (chart order, column order and mark-up per WP:DISCOGSTYLE), the selection of charts needs revisiting, the refs for sales and certs need hard checking and formatting, and the lists of certs need to be looked at. Maybe when the page is ship-shape, we'll look at it and decide for a split, as suggested by Adabow above, but right now it's not necessary. &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 12:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment The reasons that I asked Nathan for an opinion to split the discography:
 * 1. The page may be a little long. Splitting may reduce the size of the page.
 * 2. In its current state, it may become difficult to edit or cleanup the article. By splitting the article, the albums and singles can be edited and any significant information (including singles information and albums information) may be added.


 * Neutral, for some it should be used and for others it shouldn't. So just use my vote for a decider if it's a tie. Jayy008 (talk) 14:38, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral, as someone pointed out above, it is hard to see because the discog is not HQ now such as certs not in the table and other things. But just looking at an albums perspective, Houston's (7) do not number Madonna's (11), Carey's (12) or Dion's (23). So I'm in the middle. Candy  o32  15:13, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Remember though, Houston released various soundtracks, whereas Carey did not. If you count albums in general, you'll find they are quite similar in releases.-- CallMe Nathan  &bull;  Talk2Me   17:11, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose. Houston's discography is not as large as Carey's, and I still doubt whether Carey's discography needed a split or not. –Chase (talk / contribs) 16:40, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Oppose. In some cases when an artist possesses annoyingly large catalog like Elvis Presley for example, splitting albums and singles could be a logical approach. But in the case of Houston, it's unnecessary. Similarly, many other discographies the albums and singles of which are currently split never needed a split. By the way, two more important issues need to be addressed for Houston's discography. 1) the number of the certifications should be trimmed as Belgium, Brazil, Japan, Italy, Poland Russia do not have chart peaks yet the certifications of all of those markets are posted here and there for albums. 2) The markets are not placed in an alphabetical order for peaks.--Harout72 (talk) 17:55, 25 November 2010 (UTC)


 * oppose on the basis that this article isn't even up to regular standards for a discography. Once this article has a proper introduction/lead section and has verified singles/album positions no decision should be made. You could only (and fairly) justify a split once you've seen how big the completed discog. would be... --  Lil_℧niquℇ №1 &#124;  talk2me  22:01, 25 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Neutral (leaning towards oppose) & Suggestion that each section be properly delineated and perhaps drop the less "notable" (sorry, cant think of a better word - take the word on it's intent please) stuff into collapsible tables if page clutter or length is at issue. Leaning towards oppose based on current article lengths, but I cannot say I would still hold that position once the article is fully complete. Perhaps ensuring the article is fully complete, and has the full discography before making a final decision is most appropriate. R OBERT M FROM LI &#124; TK/CN 20:51, 26 November 2010 (UTC)


 * Support – The article is super long already, and it would be much easier to split the two. Then also the certifications could go in one section, and be less messy. ΣПD!ПG–STΛЯT  &#124;  TΛLK  &#124; 06:36, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Weak oppose - splitting articles is mainly for easy navigation. There really is nothing wrong with a long discography article. But still... Crowz  RSA  15:43, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Support- The ariticle is really long already. Lil Wayne has a discography page so does Justin Beiber or Ke$sha! —Preceding unsigned comment added by CJISBEAST (talk • contribs) 14:57, 1 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Um, so does Whitney Houston. &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 03:27, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Next clean-up steps
It's not as though I have the energy or time to do this myself right now, but I thought I'd note my suggestions for what (I think) needs doing here:
 * 1) Decide what chart peaks need to be shown in the article's tables. Keep in mind DISCOGSTYLE's 10-chart max. recommendation.
 * 2) Find sources for the columns' peaks not yet present.
 * 3) Delete unneeded columns, rearrange what's left, add missing columns. How this gets done and in what order depends on what needs adding and deleting. At the end, the columns should be US (home country) first followed by the others in alpha order.
 * 4) For those charts whose peaks we aren't showing, remove the sales and certs.

We currently show Brazil, Japan, EU, Polish, and Russian certs, but those charts' peaks aren't given. Being such large markets, Japan and Brazil might well deserve inclusion, but I know that Brazilian peaks are hard to get reference citations for.

I'll be (sort of) glad to do the rearranging eventually if nobody has gotten to it first, but I don't anticipate myself finding a bunch of refs and adding new columns. If I come back in a month and it still looks about the same as it does now, I'll probably re-sort the columns and delete the extra certs. If you don't like the sound of that, please do take action on the article yourself, or at least express your feelings here. &mdash; JohnFromPinckney (talk) 17:49, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
 * I've started working on my sandbox, but I feel it might take some time to complete. Novice7  |  Talk  15:51, 18 January 2011 (UTC)

Unreleased songs list?
should there be an unreleased songs list? I can think of a few right off the top of my head: --98.226.9.223 (talk) 21:53, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
 * "Take Me to Your Heart" (1984 demo)
 * "I'm Every Woman" (longer version)
 * "I Look to You" (2006 original demo version)
 * "It'll Be Okay" (2007 unreleased duet with Ray J)
 * No... as they're not notable or verifiable. &mdash;  Lil_ ℧ niquℇ № 1  [talk]  22:13, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Singles side two
Wouldn't it be nice to mention the side two track of the singles? I suggest this because the song "Moment of Truth" was not released on any albums, but it was for instance released as side two on the single "I Wanna Dance With Somebody (Who Loves Me)" in 1987. I think it definitely belongs in a complete discography.

Msc191070 (talk) 09:40, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, the discography will be updated very soon with all these songs ("Dancin' on the Smooth Edge", "Moment of Truth" et cetera). Thank you for pointing this out. Novice7 (talk) 12:43, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

Whitney Houston Discography Edit
Polite message... I recently did a minor edit to Whitney Houston's Discography and included back-up references to this edit. I felt that the edit was informative and necessary, but as expected this edit was removed. I could re-edit and I am well within my rights to do so, but that would not solve the issue. I provided a back-up reference to the edit as requested, so the edit would not need to be removed, but it's removed anyway with reference or no reference.

I just would like to point out to the person who has removed my referenced edit, that I am well within my right to make edits to Wikipedia pages, so long as i include references to back up my reason to edit or change.

Wikipedia is surely about making the article as accurate and informative as can be and therefore what is the point of people like myself trying to improve an article, when any referenced information that is added is then as quickly removed.

Thank you.

Butdavid (talk) 20:57, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Where is album "Song for..
Where is the album named "A song for you"? http://www.amazon.com/Song-You-Live-Whitney-Houston/dp/B0010ZQZSA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.23.75.81 (talk) 08:02, 9 March 2012 (UTC)
 * It is live recording from 1991 Welcome Home Heroes with Whitney Houston concert, released by Immortal, a minor label in the Netherlands. crowded (talk) 01:10, 11 March 2012 (UTC)

article´ s picture
well maybe this is not the first priority BUT the picture in the article is TERRIBLEE!! there are A LOT of pictures in the internet of her.. especially the last ones of the film she made with jordin sparks where she looks beautiful and healthy. so please someone change the picture!! thanks in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.214.171.25 (talk) 02:17, 1 April 2012 (UTC)

This list is WAY too long...
...like... seriously? Whitney Houston albums discography and Whitney Houston singles discography need to be created. Statυs ( talk ) 06:20, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
 * I concur. This list needs to be split.  Raykyogrou0  ( Talk ) 15:53, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Most definitely needs to be split.  Snuggums ( talk  /  edits ) 05:09, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

Sparkle soundtrack
WH's flim soundtracks The Bodyguard, Waiting to Exhale and The Preacher's Wife are listed. What about WH's final film and song from Sparkle? Shouldn't this be listed too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adaml11600 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 11 August 2015 (UTC)