Talk:Whitstable/Archive 1

whitstable.com
Hello, my name's Tom West, and i own a site about Whitstable called See Whitstable  I was looking through your page about Whitstable and noticed your external links section, and followed directions to here, as i was hoping that you might find time to take a look at my site, and see whether you think a link to it from your Whitstable page might be possible. It's a fairly new site, but i'm adding to it steadily and it's been well received so far. Thanks for your time, tom West
 * Added link to external links Gretnagod 01:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Additional information


 * My query is with the statement "Sadly some of the houses have lost much of their character in recent years as the historical heart of the buildings have been ripped out to make fashionable holiday homes for well heeled buyers from London."


 * While I happen to agreee with it, it is hardly NPOV, is it? Gretnagod 01:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Great Fire of Whitstable
 * I haven't got a copy of the quoted book at hand, but my memory suggests that this section has been copied completely from that book. The language used seems to be more 1930s than 2000s, and if anyone has the book can they check the Great Fire passage out? Thanks. Gretnagod 01:04, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Tankerton Slopes
My cousin who lives in Whitstable says Tankerton slopes are not cliffs. M0ffx 20:20, 30 April 2007 (UTC)


 * They are not cliffs per se, more sloping hill. Duke of Whitstable 01:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * what else is a hill but sloping?! They are actually the remains of cliffs, as can be seen further along the coast Peter Shearan (talk) 11:19, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Geologically speaking they are a feature of the coastline here, consisting of London Clay which is liable to landslips and requires stabilisation by sea defences. It contains a great many fossils within its beds Peter Shearan (talk) 17:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Is the history correct?
The article referred to in the External link "Simply Whitstable" does not agree with the statement "the town was recorded in the Domesday Book": that reference is to the name of the hundred. Later in the same article it makes it clear that the town, which had been simply Whitstable Street became such in the early 18th century. I am not a native, but know it quite well, and it is a pity that this article gives incorrect information.

Further, the town was a harbour and fishing village before the railway arrived; the harbour is still in use, but this was not mentioned. Nice as it may be to talk about the "Crab and Winkle" (and I have amended that to show why it was called that) it takes up quite a bit of space, much of which is on the C&WR article. Peter Shearan 13:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * For clarification - while Whitstable was a fishing town before the railway (although far more dredging, to be fair) the actual man-made harbour did not exist before the railway. It was built as part of the railway project - hence it was there for a year or two before the railway opened, but that was it.


 * Before this time, catches were landed on the beach - often at the Horsebridge. Gretnagod 12:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

A Whitstable challenge
This article claims the Canterbury and Whitstable Railway Line was nicknamed the Crab and Winkle Line. I would like to see a source giving a date for this nickname, as my own research suggests it was not in regular use until much, much later than is claimed. Of course, I understand that is original research, but I would like to throw open the challenge as I feel I cannot contribute to the majority of the article due to conflicts of interest. Thanks. Duke of Whitstable 01:07, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think the article actually gives a date. If you've got a source, maybe you could add the approximate date to the article. Epbr123 12:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Small note
Just a word to the wise, article needs a copyedit, particularly for spelling errors in the History section. Chubbles 01:42, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

GA assessment – on hold
Thank you for nominating this article as one that may meet the Good Article Criteria. As you will see I have put the article on hold at this time. My comments are as follows:

This is an excellent article which will only require a few small changes for me to assess it as meeting the Good Article Criteria. On that basis I am very happy to put in on hold for now – given the very fast work I have seen by one or three of the listed editors of this article I expect that it will easily meet target within the next 2 – 7 days which are usually given to finalise such requests – but in some cases a couple of extra days can be needed and if so please let me know directly if you need that extra time.

I normally also suggest that as each adjustment is made, that editors place the template ✅ after each part that is completed as this will provide all editors with a guide of what is completed in this fashion.✅
 * 1) Please link the first occurrence of the following words (and perhaps a few others that you also consider useful to the casual reader): saltworks; pannage; oysters; £; shellfish; coal; Crimean War; woodland; grassland; marshland; census; quays; windfarm; light industries; GCSE; shingle (beach); cakes and ale; and twinned.✅
 * 2) I think probably an adjustment to this sentence (The beds were first patented in 1574 by order of Queen Elizabeth I.) to indicate that they are oyster beds as the casual reader may not know this is the term.✅
 * 3) This sentence probably needs a rewriting to tell us exactly why the carriages became too heavy (In 1840, the Invicta locomotive was retired as the carriages had become too heavy for it to pull.)
 * The sources don't explain why, so I've removed that part. Epbr123 02:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Please let me know on my talk page when you finish or if you have any questions. Cheers -- VS talk 02:07, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) The linked word Tarmacadam should remain linked but not be capitalised.✅
 * 2) Rev in (Rev Henry Barton) should be extended to Reverend.✅
 * 3) Again – as for similar articles – the history section should decide to link all or no dates – at the moment both occur.✅
 * 4) I am a little concerned that this sentence is a bit too WP:Crystal and/or that it will date too quickly (Whitstable Town Football Club play in the Kent League and are currently the favourites to win the 2007 championship.)✅
 * 5) By chance I am a collector of W. Somerset Maugham's books so I found this part personally very interesting. In the article you use his full author name (linked as W. Somerset Maugham as per wiki article) and your shortened version of {Somerset Maugham) - only the first should be linked and you should use his wiki version name - which is the name he signed all of his books (bar one) as.✅
 * 6) I should have added that the External Links section could do with some ordering - all the oysters together, tourist areas, clubs etc.✅
 * 7) And I should have added (this one is not part of my assessment) - but the article could do with some free images!

GA assessment - passed [[Image:Symbol support vote.svg|35px]]
Congratulations to all editors who assisted in this article. It is well presented and easily passes the WP:GAC. I note for the record all of the editors which provided 5 or more edits to this article as follows (with the numbers after user names indicating their total edits at time of final GA assessment: user:Epbr123 (141), user:Nshimbi (11), user:Cunningham (10), user:Faedra (8), user:84.66.237.99 (6),user:Whitstable (5), user:MRSC (5) . Editors may wish to cut the following template   and paste to their user page or other suitable location - which will provide the following template:  Well done!-- VS  talk 04:43, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Railway and Harbour
Brilliant work so far to get this article to where it is, so it should be of no surprise that the following point is more "splitting hairs" than anything else.

I have a problem with the line:

"Whitstable's harbour was built in 1832 to serve the world's first passenger railway service."

Because the Canterbury and Whitstable Railway line was constructed primarily to carry freight from the coast to Canterbury as the River Stour had become un-navigable past Fordwich (ish). The harbour belonged to the railway company, and stayed that way until Jan 1 1958 when Whitstable Urban District Council bought it (http://www.canterbury.gov.uk/buildpage.php?id=2612).

Also from the above link, I am slightly wary about saying the harbour was built in 1832 as it opened on March 19 of that year after the contract was awarded in March 1831.

Finally, and tying in with a previous point, the Railway and Harbour are linked closely - there couldn't be one without the other (from same source):

"The notice to apply for Parliamentary Powers to construct the railway and also 'for making and forming sufficient piers, wharfs, quays and other works, in or near, the Bay of Whitstable' was published in the Kentish Gazette in November 1824."

I'm not too sure how to reword it, though it should be noted that further down is the line:

"Whitstable harbour was opened by the rail company in 1832." - probably should be railway company but I'll leave it while we sort out the initial line in the lead. Duke of Whitstable 22:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Changes have now been made to the lead. Are any goods still distributed through the harbour? Epbr123 23:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)


 * As per the report for 2005/06 (http://www.canterbury.gov.uk/assets/harbour/harbourannualreport2006.pdf) the only item still imported (ignoring fish/shellfish etc) is aggregate for Bretts Aggregates Limited on the east quay of the harbour. Duke of Whitstable 23:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Which Borken are they twinned with?
The link currently reaches a disambig, and neither of the three borken articles mention Whitstable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.67.172.17 (talk) 02:09, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

Whitstable is twinned with Borken, North Rhine-Westphalia, I've updated the Whitstable, Borken and disambig pages. TacoJim 14:01, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

No mention of religious buildings?
I may have missed this, but does not a wiki article on a settlement include some mention of its religious life? There is nothing in this article to suggest there is any, yet one website suggests that there are 17 of various denominations. Even the history section ignores it. I have also commented on the mention of the Tankerton Slopes entry above. Peter Shearan (talk) 17:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

residence
whitstable residence rock!!! we are cool!!! come to whitstable!!

leigh-ann sanders xx —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.96.16 (talk) 17:42, 4 December 2008 (UTC)