Talk:Whittaker Chambers Farm

Illegal Photo, Taken by Trespasser
A photo posted on September 13, 2019, and removed September 15, 2019, was clearly a copyright violation, as it was taken on private property far from public sight and without owner's permission.


 * The photo is not illegal, nor is it a copyright violation. The fact the the photographer may have trespassed to take it has nothing to do with those facts.  Magic ♪piano 15:47, 8 October 2019 (UTC)


 * Whether "copyright" or other infringment, the photo remains taken by trespasser, as this location clearly indicates (https://www.google.com/maps/place/39%C2%B039'42.3%22N+76%C2%B058'40.7%22W/@39.661741,-76.9867281,3005m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!1m7!3m6!1s0x89c845c33c0e5f83:0x9b3e9d1b8b1c8f37!2s446+Saw+Mill+Rd+E,+Westminster,+MD+21158!3b1!8m2!3d39.6559591!4d-76.9799155!3m5!1s0x0:0x0!7e2!8m2!3d39.6617409!4d-76.9779682), which, as you can see, is hundreds of yards from public road, so I am removing again.--Aboudaqn (talk) 16:50, 15 October 2019 (UTC)


 * I'm not disputing that the image may have been taken by a trespasser. However, the property owner has no say in the image's use, with some exceptions that are unlikely to apply to this image or Wikipedia's use of it.  If you don't understand this, you need to consult an attorney who understands the case law of photography and trespass (IANAL, but I do take pictures).
 * Here's one summary (also written by a non-lawyer) that is typical photographer advice for situations like this:
 * If you are on private property, such as in a store, shopping mall, sports arena or theater, then you need permission from the property owner to photograph. If you take pictures against instructions not to do so then the property owner has the right to ask you to stop and/or to leave. If you refuse, you can be arrested for trespass. However the simple act of taking a photograph there isn't illegal and you do not have to surrender your camera, your film or memory card and you do not have to show your images to any security personnel or delete your images. You can simply leave the area if told that photography isn't allowed.
 * Note that no one (not even police) has say over the images taken while trespassing, other than the image owner. If you want assert some other tort (for example, a privacy violation) as a means to gain control of the image, that needs to be in a different forum (i.e. a court of law).  Until then, WP:NOTCENSORED applies to your repeated removals of the image.  Magic ♪piano 17:45, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * User_talk:Magicpiano, of course, you have proven nothing in your latest reply. However, as rational adults who have access to Wikipedia, we can of course agree not to reward a trespasser by accepting the posting of that or similarly taken images.  (The trespasser may keep the image -- to her-/himself, privately.)  Aboudaqn (talk) 18:31, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Rationality and civility don't enter into it, what law and case law say does, so no, we don't agree. By what legal justification do you deny Roy Klotz the right publish his image (or allow its republication by Wikipedia) as he sees fit?  Cite any applicable law or case law, please.  Magic ♪piano 18:42, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
 * User_talk:Magicpiano, I'm sticking with trespassing to obtain a photo as something we should not honor on Wikipedia.Aboudaqn (talk) 22:24, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

We have rules here. You've broken WP:3RR. Your pseudo legal claim doesn't have any basis that I can see. I doubt it would have any basis if you were the landowner, which I doubt that you are. What you can do is a) ask an admin to review your case - they'll likely turn you down flat, b) ask at WP:ANI to remove the photo - they'll debate this for a week and then likely decide that there's nothing they can do about it, c) ask an admin at Commons to delete the photo - ditto, e) ask Wikimedia Legal to remove the photo - they'll turn you down flat.

Now there are good reasons why Wikipedia and Commons cannot police claims of trespassing here (see the comment I left at the photo's talk page on Commons). There are also good reasons why people would not want to remove one of this photographers photos. If I recall correctly he is an older gentleman - a true gentleman - who has uploaded about 6,000 photos and would never knowingly trespass or break the law in any way. I hope this helps. Smallbones( smalltalk ) 01:03, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
 * What happened to d? EEng 05:41, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

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 * WHITTAKER CHAMBERS FARM, WESTMINSTER, CARROLL COUNTY, MD.jpg

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"Threats" OR and SYNTH
I have removed essentially all of the "threats" material, because it appears to be WP:OR and WP:SYNTH. There's no indication any of the sources (except the single one I left) mentions any relationship between the reservoir project and the farm. It appears one editor has been reading maps and reports to infer how the project might affect the farm. Even if there's something tying the two together, all the stuff about the decision-making process for the project is grossly WP:UNDUE. If any of this material is going to be restored, I'm going to insist on quotations from sources establishing a link to the subject of this article. EEng 14:44, 7 September 2020 (UTC)