Talk:Who's That Girl (soundtrack)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Cavie78 (talk) 18:31, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Another great Madonna article! Rather controversially "Who's That Girl" is my favourite Madonna song... but on with the review! Cavie78 (talk) 16:12, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): (MoS):
 * A few concerns with the prose are listed below.
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): (citations to reliable sources):  (OR):
 * Couple of minor concerns with the refs are listed below.
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): (focused):
 * I have some issues with the scope of the article regarding the non-Madonna songs.
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Pass/Fail:

General

 * Images are fine
 * No dab links
 * Source 19 (Shewey, Don "Madonna, The Rolling Stone Files") needs page numbers
 * Added. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Source 54 (Salaverri, Fernando "Sólo éxitos: año a año, 1959–2002") needs page numbers
 * Added. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't have a subscription to Newswire - does source 84 ("Warner Bros. Records Inc. Commits to Furthering DVD Platform") support the fact that concerts from the Who's That Girl tour were shown on television? Seems a bit odd that it would mention that given the title...
 * My bad. No it doesnot. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm quite concerned about the lack of info regarding the non-Madonna songs on the album. I appreciate the record is thought of as a Madonna album, and I think the 'Critical reception' section is ok, but I still think you need to say more about the other tracks. Duncan Faure and Coati Mundi were included because they were Madonna's friends but what about the other tracks? Why are they on the album? Were they written for the film? Does Green Gartside have anything to say about the record? Why did Madonna only record four songs?
 * This is one issue I seriously don't know how to respond. I mean, I searched and searched and searched, but couldnot find an inch of info regarding the other artists. All I found was that these bunch of artists was under Warner Bros. and needed at least a commercially viable platform to project their songs, and Madonna was of course a perfect vehicle. Hence Warner just dumped a random chosen song by these groups in the soundtrack. I got this info from Rooksby's book. Do you have any idea what else or how I can elaborate them further? — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll have a search round and see if I can find anything... Cavie78 (talk) 10:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks like "Best Thing Ever" by Scritti Politti was later released on Provision (1988) which could be worth mentioning?
 * It would seem that "Turn It Up" was released as a single (at least in the UK) but didn't chart. Can't find a reliable source for this though.
 * I think, at GA, the article is good enough but I'm pretty sure there is information somewhere about the other tracks. Scritti Politti were quite big in Britain at the time so I'd imagine there might be a relevant interview with Green Gartside in the NME, Melody Maker, Record Mirror or Sounds but none of these have archives available online as yet. Cavie78 (talk) 11:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * My thoughts, and im desperate to find some info now... Grrrr, they have made me mad.. and a mad Legolas is not a good sign. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 16:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * The infobox lists Madonna, Patrick Leonard and Stephen Bray as producers but various other producers were involved with the non-Madonna tracks.
 * My mistake again. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Lead

 * "Released on July 21, 1987 by Sire Records ... It is considered a Madonna album by Warner Bros. Records" This sounds a bit odd - what is the relationship between the two record companies i.e. why should Wanrer have an opinion if the album was released by Sire?
 * My bad. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "It is considered a Madonna album by Warner Bros. Records" Is there a cite for this in the main article? I don't have a problem with you choosing not to put citations in the lead but material must be cited in the body.
 * Yes, the first line of the composition section, however, removed Warner. — Legolas ( talk 2 me ) 04:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "Madonna wanted to work in another comedy film titled Slammer." You should probably say "act in", "work" could mean different things such as just providing the soundtrack. ✅
 * "...Warner Bros. were initially reluctant to green light the project, but later agreed." You should very briefly explain why Warner agreed, particularly given that the reason was related to this soundtrack album.
 * "The film was about a woman named Nikki Finn who was falsely accused of homicide." I would suggest merging this sentence - "After the commercial success of her film Desperately Seeking Susan (1985), Madonna wanted to act in another comedy film titled Slammer, about a woman named Nikki Finn who was falsely accused of homicide." ✅
 * "Madonna began working on the soundtrack in December 1986, and contacted Patrick Leonard and Stephen Bray, both producers of her third studio album True Blue (1986)" Would suggest changing to "and contacted Patrick Leonard and Stephen Bray, who had worked as producers on her third studio album True Blue (1986)"
 * Changed. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 20:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


 * "She needed an uptempo song and a downtempo song. The uptempo song, composed by Leonard, ended up being the title track for the film; Madonna decided to change the film's name to Who's That Girl based on the title track's name." I think this could be worded better. Would suggest something like "She felt that an uptempo song and a downtempo song were needed for the album. Leonard composed the music for the uptempo song, with Madonna providing the melody and lyrics. The singer named the track "Who's That Girl" and, believing this to be a better title than Slammer, changed the name of the film to the same.
 * Could you link to tempo?
 * Added. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 20:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tbhotch. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Background

 * "Warner Bros. were looking for another way to encache upon Madonna's success with soundtracks, and felt that her name alone might be enough to guarantee the success of the film as well as its soundtrack." encahce isn't a word (it's not in the Oxford English Dictionary or Webster's and a Google search produces no hits) You might want to recheck the Andrew Morton book which, as far as I can tell from the Who's That Girl (film) article, is where you've got this from. I take it you're trying to say that Warners wanted to cash in on Madonna's success?
 * Well, he has it as encache only, but I suppose he meant to cash in. Lol. Changed it. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "So they had no choice, but to green light the project." This sounds very stubby and should be merged with the previous sentence. Also "had no choice" is a bit strong! I don't have access to the source but I would suggest changing to "felt they had no choice" if this is supported.
 * Okay, that seems reasonable. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Development

 * "...Madonna contacted Patrick Leonard and Stephen Bray, who had written and produced her third studio album True Blue in 1986." I think it would be better to say "who had helped to write and produce her third studio album..." given that Madonna co-wrote all the songs on that album and acted as co-producer ✅
 * "Madonna came to the recording studio one Thursday, as Leonard finished developing the chorus, and he handed over that cassette to her." This need rewording - presumably you mean that Leonard recorded music onto a cassette then gave it to Madonna?
 * Reworded. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I've made a change to this myself which I hope you're ok with. Also I changed the link for chorus to refrain, chorus effect is a completely different thing. Cavie78 (talk) 19:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "After finishing the lyrics, Madonna declared..." Declared is a strange word to use, would suggest changing the sentence to "After finishing the lyrics, Madonna decided to name the song "Who's That Girl" and changed the title of Slammer to the same, considering it to be a better name."
 * Changed. Tb hotch Ta lk C. 20:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)


 * I think it's a bit unfair to label Scritti Politti "commercially unsuccessful". Their 1985 album Cupid & Psyche 85 sold 100,000 copies and reached number 5 in the UK album charts.
 * Removed Tb hotch Ta lk C. 20:47, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked, and Rooksby actually mentioned them as commercially unsuccessful in the US. Reoworded. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Composition

 * "...Who's That Girl sort of became a Madonna album by default." This isn't a very encyclopedic way to put things. Would suggest removing "sort of". ✅
 * ""Can't Stop" has a high pitched keyboard sound embedded in between." I'm not sure what you mean here - embedded in between what?
 * Oops. How did I miss it? — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit concerned that this section completely ignores the other songs on the album apart from a very brief mention of "24 Hours"
 * My thoughts too. But as I said above, I seriously don't know how to enhance them further. I meant, I have access to all damn archives, and even they failed. Should I go and interview the producers? I am at wits end. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * LOLZ I like the idea of you following Patrick Leonard and Stephen Bray around with a notebook Legolas! Cavie78 (talk) 10:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Thats exactly what I will do. Grrrr. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 16:34, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Singles

 * "...her first single to miss the top five since "Lucky Star"." I'd suggest giving a date here.
 * Added Tb hotch Ta lk C. 02:39, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Promotion

 * "...with song-and-dance routines, theatrics, addressing social causes—during "Papa Don't Preach"—as well as an encore..." This need rewording. I would suggest removing the bit about social changes and "Papa Don't Preach" and including as a separate sentence.
 * Reworded. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * "Who's That Girl was broadcast on a number of international television channels and was released on VHS titled Ciao, Italia! – Live from Italy." This makes it sound like the whole tour was broadcast and issued on video. You should state that the Turin, Italy concert was released on video and maybe say "Various concerts from the Who's That Girl tour were broadcast on a number of international television channels" if that's what you mean.
 * Did I do it? Tb hotch Ta lk C. 03:07, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. Thanks again Tbhotch. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 04:40, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Remaining concerns

 * Looks like there's only one thing left. From the lead section: "...Warner Bros. were initially reluctant to green light the project, but later agreed." You should very briefly explain why Warner agreed, particularly given that the reason was related to this soundtrack album. Cavie78 (talk) 20:53, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
 * added? Tb hotch Ta lk C. 06:16, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * I extended a little bit more, and also added a little more about the other songs. But two songs I seriously couldnot find anything at all. — <i style="color:blue;">Legolas</i> ( talk 2 me ) 06:43, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
 * Looks good, am happy to promote - congrats! Cavie78 (talk) 11:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)