Talk:Who Shot Mr. Burns?

Spoiler warnings
I can't belive this page didn't have any spoiler warnings. --Reub2000
 * Would someone who knows what they're doing like to add it? --68.82.51.93 23:34, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)
 * No, we're good, thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by 219.89.136.203 (talk) 09:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Spoiler warnings have now been discontinued --TimothyJacobson (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Can the culprit at least be kept secret until the plot summary? Right now, it's at the end of the second paragraph of the article. - Jordan 21 May 2012

important clue in part 1 that wasn't mentioned
As Mr. Burns stumbled onto the sundial, you see his holster for a few frames, and his gun is clearly missing from it. There are significant portions of this wiki entry that are irrelevant or incorrent, considering that (Sideshow Mel with the knife, the various peoples' different weapons) and the fact that the gun is missing is an important clue too.

Anyone want to update the article to reflect that? =)

butterfinger
what about a mention of the butterfinger contest tied to these episodes?

Contest
Updated the contest entry as it full of misleading and incorrect statements. Krupo 03:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Season seven template
This article either needs the season seven template or should be split into separate articles for parts one and two. Tromboneguy0186 02:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

yeah, part 1 should be in the part 1 aricle, and part 2 should be in the part 2 article, kozmic | sk8r 04:37, 10 February 2007 (UTC)


 * This article used to be two separate articles. They were merged because the two articles were identical (word-for-word). That's not the case anymore. However, since then, the idea has been to keep the two as one, since they cover the same story. (And there are two templates because these are two different episodes.) --Hnsampat 04:41, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

The person who guessed right
Does anyone know where I can find the post that guessed Maggie that is mentioned in the season 6 commentary?

The person guessed wrong, but they had to let someone win. So they randomly picked some lady. --24.11.213.167 04:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * AFAIR in season 7 commentaries they stated that someone guessed right (but outside of the contest) on USENET but they could not track him after. Uzytkownik (talk) 20:44, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

"Clues" section
I like the "Clues" section. However, there are zero references in it, which suggests to me that it is 100% original research (i.e. people discovering clues on their own and then adding it to the article). Unless somebody can find some citations for that section, it will have to be deleted. (By citations, I mean quoting the show's producers, animators, etc., and having them say specifically that certain clues were added deliberately.) --Hnsampat 21:35, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Contest
The contest prize was never to be animated on the show; rather, it was to win an animated cel of yourself with the Simpsons. FOX's wording made it sound like it was an animated appearance on the show.
 * I don't think this is correct. On Global TV in Canada it was DEFINITELY advertised as the winner getting a walk-on part on The Simpsons.121.220.202.208 (talk) 10:37, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

The lady who won was from DC and did not watch the show, she opt to take the cash prize instead of being animated; this site explains more ... http://www.cbr.com/tv-legends-revealed-did-no-simpsons-fan-correctly-guess-who-shot-mr-burns/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:614A:3300:DDCB:7190:8908:13A (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Gunshot
I think that Burns was shot in the chest, not the stomach.--Orthologist 13:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Twas level with his heart--TimothyJacobson (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Is this page necessary?
I propose that this page be made a redirect to Part One. Why make users go through a disambig page at all? If they want Part One, the redirect would take them right there, and if they want Part Two, there's a hatnote at the top of the Part One article to take them there. This dab page is just an unnecessary extra step between users and what they really want to see.-- Shelf Skewed  Talk  07:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Script almost lost in HDD failure
I added "Incidentally, before production started the episode's script among twelve other Simpsons episode were almost lost in a computer hard drive failure and required the drive to be recovered by DriveSavers Data Recovery." Not sure if this is regarded as trivia, but it seems to be an interesting production note. Guroadrunner (talk) 21:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC) I added "Producer Bill Oakley was extremely grateful to DriveSavers and sent the company an autographed graphic from the show." Johnchristopher (talk) 22:01, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

Hidden Clues
Please sort out the hidden clues part of this. Most of them are trivial - may as well claim "Homer Simpson" is a clue because M and S appear in his name... —Preceding unsigned comment added by User: (talk • contribs)
 * Well no. As the sources clearly say, they were inserted as hidden clues, and Homer's name wasn't. Gran2 17:12, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

GA pass
Yup, excellent, and I just watched the episode on Channel 4! Great article for great episode. Alientraveller 17:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Clue
Would this classify as a clue?

When Mr. Burns says "But which one of you has the guts to stop me?", Maggie is the only one who has her eyes fixed on him the entire time. Just wondering. - .:. Jigsy .:. (talk) 10:12, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
 * huh, cool. Yeah, I'd say this is an important clue 219.89.136.203 (talk) 09:39, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Homer did it
Why isn't this mentioned? Homer admitted to shooting Mr. Burns and framing Maggie for it in the episode "Revenge is a Dish Best Served Three Times". Davez621 (talk) 23:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Because that's a stupid one-off joke with no meaning. Homer says a lot of thing, doesn't mean that's what happened. Gran2 07:13, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh right, and Maggie shooting Mr. Burns is just so much more believable, right? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Davez621 (talk • contribs) 21:50, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a cartoon, it's not meant to be completely believable. And yes, Maggie shooting Mr. Burns may not be realistic, but it's very believable, especially as they did kinda show it happening in the episode. Gran2 21:54, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

And also the references to Maggie having done it are mentioned in many other episodes.--TimothyJacobson (talk) 22:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

(Obviously this includes the 138th Episode Spectacular, as mentioned in the main article. But also "A Hunka Hunka Burns In Love" where Burns was described as having been shot by a Baby.  (Admittedly this doesn't necessarily name Maggie, and could have eben a different instance, but in the context of references to previous episodes, it certainly contradicts Davez621's theory that Homer did it).  I will list other episodes that back up it being Maggie, as soon as I can remember titles --TimothyJacobson (talk) 16:06, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

"Revenge is a Dish Best Served Three Times"- I think weather its a one off joke or not it should still be at least mentioned That at some point homer did infact say Paraphrasing here" ill frame you like i framed maggie for shooting mr burns". To me the fact that its a cartoon not be taken literally is not a valid argument. It was said as a one off joke Fine. it should be listed as such a long with all the other "possible"  Play of events. Including what were "intended" to believe.ie. the ones that are already listed. to me there is absolutely no reason why this shouldn't be listed with the rest of possibilities Who is to argue That infact didnt happen the way homer says in this episode as opposed to the previous ones?

Joke or no joke the facts remain that Homer said he shot Mr. Burns and blamed it on Maggie. If this changes what we grew up on then oh well, at this point in history Homer shot Mr. Burns. Maggie shot the wiseguys. http://www.tv.com/shows/the-simpsons/revenge-is-a-dish-best-served-three-times-914677/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2606:A000:614A:3300:DDCB:7190:8908:13A (talk) 20:48, 2 December 2016 (UTC)

Sideshow Mel
I added that one of the clues is that Ned asks to hear from Sideshow Mel (a dekiberate SM/WS clue, as pointed out in the commentary), but it was deleted by Scorpion0422, within an hour of me posting. I'm not going to go straight back and change it, but I would like to know why this clue isn't worthy of the article, but other less-obvious SM/WS cluse like Simpson Mutt and Smith and Western were included? Mel's name was revealed for the first time in Part Two to be Melvin Van Horne, thus freeing him from suspicion. So what gives, Scorpion0422? Why is this legitimate clue not worthy? Ticked off you didn't notice it yourself? 121.208.145.117 (talk) 01:39, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Because that bit is just for characters who had special names established as clues for the episode. Otherwise you could also include Maggie Simpson and Marge Simpson. Mel's name had previously been established, and Melvin Van Horne was in the second part so it couldn't be a clue, so it doesn't really need to be mentioned. -- Scorpion 0422  01:50, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Cultural references
Is it possible that blocking the sun is a reference to Candlemakers' petition? "No, not while my greatest nemesis still provides our customers with free light, heat and energy. I call this enemy..." vs. "We are suffering from the ruinous competition of a rival (...) the production of light that he [sun] is flooding the domestic market with it at an incredibly low price; for the moment he appears, our sales cease, all the consumers turn to him (...)". I guess it is POV(therefore I don't post it) but it might happan that it was. Does anyone knows something proving/disproving it?Uzytkownik (talk) 20:54, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Sign
A lot of the posts on this page (esp towards the top) are unsigned. Could all futrure posters rem to sign --TimothyJacobson (talk) 22:06, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

2F20
When the whole town tracks Homer down at the hospital, the room number where Mr. Burns is staying is id "2F20", which is the producion number of the episode. I'm surprised it isn't mentioned in the article. Dollvalley (talk) 11:50, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

A requested move discussion involving Superdude
Editors may be interested in commenting on a requested move at Talk:Superdude_(TV_series). -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom  19:56, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Alternate endings?
There are references in articles and commentary to alternate endings, but have we ever heard legitimately that the "alternate endings" shown in the 138th special are the REAL alternate endings rather than more interesting creations invented for that episode? The Smithers one comes out of no where (I did start to go home... then I turned around and shot Burns) and as McClure says, you'd have to ignore all the DNA evidence (and the fact that Smithers did know the Pardon My Zinger joke. At the end of he gets a 5% pay cut. It seemed more like a blatant parody "ending" created for the 138th to present us with a completely unbelievable ending that would have fooled no one. The "other" endings which are just single shots of everyone shooting burns again seem like part of a joke. Have these scenes ever been vetted as actual alternate endings? TheHYPO (talk) 18:51, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
 * They were 'alternate' solely to keep the number of people who knew the real ending a secret. 138th was the mandatory clip show, so they wouldn't have animated anything new they didn't have to (the McClure bits). The Smithers ending makes no sense because it was never intended to be used, but Smithers was the most obvious suspect from part 1. Gran2 17:43, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

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A source

 * https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/190260547/ --Coin945 (talk) 01:37, 29 December 2018 (UTC)

GAR
Another article that has not aged well, although unlike the others I have seen, this one does cover the entire topic and has good references, it lacks them in many places and also has one from YouTube which is not a reliable source. That's why the article said you need your GAR to solve these problems. 2801:1CA:E:1411:65B6:188A:E06C:B254 (talk) 18:23, 26 April 2024 (UTC)


 * BRO How many of these are you going to open? They all make no sense because you’re not supposed to cite episodes and movies xq 11:28, 15 June 2024 (UTC)
 * Hello, first I think you misunderstood my initial comment, I was not referring to the "Plot" section, but there are other sections such as "Hidden clues", "Alternate theories" and "Contest" that have passages without references which is It should not be allowed in a GA, since all paragraphs must be referenced. The other thing is that you didn't notice that it has a YouTube reference, it is unreliable and should not be used as much. The same as the article above, but it has those small inconveniences that cast doubt on the belief in him as a GA. 2801:1CA:E:1411:DD57:CBA6:D356:E047 (talk) 19:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)