Talk:Who Wants to Be a Superhero? (season 2)

Lost in Translation
In the 1st episode..there was the part where the superheroes pass through a Chinese dress making store....while the subtitles say that the Chinese women were talking about changing locks....they were actually saying "these people smell bad,they need a shower" DivineBaboon 01:19, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hahaha oh wow. That's awesome.  --Super Bhaal 11:03, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

The chart makes no sense
The chart supposedly indicates who completed a task. However, with multiple tasks in the first episode and assuming multiple tasks continue in each episode the chart conflicts with the actual events. Everyone but Basura and Parthenon is named in the text as having failed a task but everyone except the nominated and eliminated heroes are in green because they passed at least one. The color coding is not helpful and indeed the chart itself seems of little utility. Otto4711 16:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Also, I don't think Ms. Limelight failed the robbery challenge, as she did learn information about the robbery. Mr. Mitzvah, however, was chided for his attitude, yet it is mentioned that he passed. 69.253.62.23 18:21, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

The chart does make sense
The chart is not measuring who did or did not fail a task.

The chart is measuring who was or was not nominated for potential elimination. For the first episode, Braid, Mr. Mitzvah, and Ms. Limelight were nominated (by Stan Lee) to stand on the boxes and defend their decisions, and ultimately Braid was eliminated. Hence, the chart makes perfect sense, if you know what it is measuring. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Markcronan (talk • contribs) 01:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

Of course, you have to consider some of the IN's to not be green. In episode 2, Whip-Snap and Hyper Strike were on the losing team.

In episode 3, Ms. Limelight's elimination did not require any tasks to be performed. All IN's are thereby white, Hyper Strike and Basura get a NOM, and Ms. Limelight gets an OUT. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.163.151.57 (talk) 01:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

In episode one, not all of the superheroes completed the task, as one of the teams failed to stop the water in time to save Stan Lee. The article doesn't list who was one which team in that episode, though, and I've yet to find it on another site yet (I'm sure it's out there somewhere, but my internet connection here is slow so I can't really research it). Whenever we figure out who was on that team, though, any of its members marked in green should have that removed, and we should probably list it in the episode's summary. —Mears man 06:12, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Question about Parthenon
I could be mistaken, or perhaps I simply misheard what was being said, but didn't Parthenon say something to the effect of "I'm a superhero who just happens to be gay" in the first episode? If this is true, I think it might be something worth mentioning in the article, although of course I'm not going to add it unless there's a reliable source. Can anyone confirm or disprove this? —Mears man 04:19, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I too heard that during the audition section. Levity in the first season was also an out-of-the-closet homosexual. Have heard rumors as well about Whip-Snap.  In the second episode, consoling Ms. Limelight she brought up some of her own experiences saying that people had reffered to her as a (I think, it was bleeped out but pretty sure) "dyke" and a "man".  Course just because she was called one doesn't mean she is one any more than she's a guy so if someone does want to mention this I would leave Whip-Snap out of it for now.--Tricksterson 14:20, 3 August 2007 (UTC).
 * I would also suggestthat if any mention of the sexual orientation of the players/characters is made it would be better to put it in the general article, not one of the seasonal ones.--Tricksterson 14:56, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I get Google alerts on the show, and Whip-Snap was featured on AfterEllen. But as for mentioning in the general versus seasonal article, I'm not sure what Tricksterson is getting at; with three gay characters (Hyper-Strike is also reportedly gay) out of ten, it would seem like an interesting bit of news here.  I don't know that there's ever been a 30% gay representation on any reality show before. BobGreenwade 15:45, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I too find it interesting that such a large portion of the people on this show are gay (I've never heard of such a thing before, either), and I definitely think that it should be mentioned somewhere, although we'll definitely need sources for Parthenon and Hyper-Strike before we can say anything about them. I was just considering adding the part about Whip-Snap being a lesbian to the article, but I wasn't really sure about the best way of going about it.  Should Whip-Snap be labeled a "lesbian superhero," or should it simply be stated that Paula Thomas, who portrays Whip-Snap, is a lesbian?  Also, I couldn't decide if this information should be part of her character's short profile (most of the others are about the superhero's powers and little more) or if it should be worked into some other part of the article.  If anyone has any suggestions they're more than welcome, or if you'd just like to take a stab at it yourself that would be great too. —Mears man 04:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Whip-Snap has not been confirmed as a lesbian, and Hyper-Strike also hasn't, but Parthenon has admitted to being gay on the show. If something should be changed, it should be only to Parthenon's info. However, it might also be worth noting that Stan Lee caught some flak from gay-rights groups because the first hero he eliminated in season onewas gay. If Hyper-Strike and Whip-Snap are gay, then the high number of gay contestants might be due to these criticisms. XenoGeno 22:24, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The link that BobGreenwade provided above is a citable source that confirms Whip-Snap is a lesbian. As of yet, I've been unable to locate a source that confirms the sexual orientation of Hyper-Strike or Parthenon, which is part of the reason the information hasn't been added to the article. —Mears man 02:32, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I missed that. But can't the show itself count as a source? I'm new to wikipedia, but Parthenon has said on the show more than once that he's gay, doesn't that count? —XenoGeno 13:56. 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I would say yes. Aside from the comment in Episode 1 he mentions seeing himself as a gay role model in Episode 3 and a conversation with his partner is featured in Episode 4.  Hyperstrike on the other hand mentions his girlfriend in Episode 4 so I think he can be taken off the list as it were.--Tricksterson 14:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

I decided to be bold and add this article to WikiProject LGBT studies. As it says, "This category includes television series...which deal with or feature significant lesbian, gay, bisexual or transgender characters or issues and may have same-sex romance or relationships as an important plot device." Seeing as two, possibly three of the contestants on this season are openly LGB (and they're all still on the show), I felt that it fit the critera. I realize that the information regarding their sexual orientation has yet to be added to the article, but I thought it would be okay to go ahead and add this while we're still getting things in order (I personally haven't been able to do much research on the subject due to my slow internet connection, but that should change once I'm back at school in a week or so). —Mears man 17:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I thought I'd post to say that I found a potential source stating that Parthenon is gay and Whip-Snap is a lesbian, which you can view here. The only downside to it is that it's written by a website devoted to gay and bisexual men and the article almost seems to be making fun of the show in certain parts, so I suppose it could be viewed as very POV. Still, it is a citable source about Parthenon. I still haven't found anything on Hyper-Strike, but I'm looking. —Mears man 03:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, so I think we've probably been talking about doing this for long enough now, and it's probably time that we at least put something in the article about it. Seeing as we've yet to find anything about Hyper-Strike we should probably leave him out for now, but I think that Parthenon and Whip-Snap need to be mentioned.  I'm just not sure what the best way of putting this information in the article is.  First of all, should we state that the superheroes themselves are gay(Parthenon and Whip-Snap), or should we use the names of the people portraying the superheroes (Dan Williams and Paula Thomas)?  Also, should the information be added to their profiles in the Characters and contestants section, or should we create a new section to mention this, and, if so, what should this section be called?  To me, it seems it would make more sense to mention this under their existing profiles instead of creating a new section (there just isn't a lot of information about it right now), but I just wasn't sure if information regarding their sexual orientation belonged in the Characters and contestants section.  I guess I'm looking for the input of others on this, but if nobody says anything after a couple days I may just try something myself. —Mears man 21:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As a point of interest, Hyper-Strike stated in tonight’s episode (Episode 4) that he'd really like to call his girlfriend. Considering that, I think it's pretty safe to say that he isn't gay.  Yes, I know he could always be bisexual or in the closet or something, but I think it's pretty safe to rule him out unless something significant comes up in the future. —Mears man 02:27, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'm crossing the Rubicon and mentioning Parthanon's orientation in the Character section.--Tricksterson 14:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Whats the difference between a gay superhero and a superhero that happens to be gay
 * While I suppose they're technically the same thing, the difference is the way you think about them, or at least the way the wording encourages you to think about them. By calling someone a "gay superhero" is to apply a stereotype to them, encouraging others to rubricize them and believe that they know all that they need to know about the individual without actually taking the chance to get to know them. By calling someone a "superhero who happens to be gay" is to acknowledge the fact that the individual in question is gay, but it also encourages you to think about the person first and their sexuality second, thus leading people to be less likely to write you off to potentially incorrect stereotypes.  This is the way Parthenon wished to be addressed, and, for that reason, he is addressed that way in this article. —Mears man 02:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * yah same thing —Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnnycash316 (talk • contribs) 15:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Consistency in Episode Progress Table between Seasons
I was looking at the Episode Progress Table for season one, and I noticed that the color scheme used was very different from the one being used for season two. Personally, I think it would make sense (and look nicer) to keep a consistent appearance between the seasons, but I don't know if season one should be changed to match season two, if season two should be changed to match season one, or if we should come up with an entirely different appearance for them. Any input? —Mears man 04:32, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Each color can vary except for the "OUT" and "DQ" (red and grey, respectively) colors. Note that Monkey Woman was more disqualified than eliminated in Season 1 (example of a DQ). And the tomato red is usually the color for "OUT". 65.30.24.128 18:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Question

 * Do you know why Ms. Limelight and Mr. Mitzvah were nominated again in Episode 2? Someone who reads the article might want to know in case they missed it. 24.163.151.57 21:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Mr. Mitzvah was nominated because, during the Spelling Bee, he was unable to face his fears (he covered his face with a cloth), and this kept him from effectively aiding his team in Stan's eyes. Ms. Limelight was nominated because, when Stan called her in to ask her about her powers, she was unable to articulate her thoughts, and Stan felt that a superhero needed to be better able to perform under pressure. —Mears man 20:31, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Characters and contestants
Does anyone think that the Characters and contestants section should not say anything about elimination? I think that section should just say basic stuff about the people and not when they were eliminated, leave that for the chart. Also, someone might not have seen the episodes yet, and don't want to know about the elimination untill they do. Rhino131 19:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't necessarily see a reason that the information should be removed, especially since Who Wants to Be a Superhero? (Season 1) only lists why the hero was eliminated for most of them. To me, it's a quick way for someone to figure out when and why each hero was eliminated without having to read through the lengthy episode summaries.  I suppose I wouldn't be against it if consensus was met otherwise as long as the information was still covered in the article, but for the moment I see no reason to remove it.  Also, people who have yet to see a particular episode of the show should realize that information pertaining to that episode will probably be present in this article, and if they don't wish to view it they should know not to look at an article about it.  There's no reason why we should leave information out of this article just because someone may not have seen an episode of the show yet. —Mears man 20:26, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I see your point. I was just thinking we could say who was in the show without giving too much away, but I understand your point of view. Rhino131 02:12, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Usable Source?
Would it be okay to use this site as a source for this article? I know it's an unofficial fan site, but it's run by Dan Williams (Parthenon) and contains a profile of each of the superheroes, including their superpowers and back story. It contains a lot of information I haven't been able to find elsewhere, but I can see how it could be argued that the source is unreliable or biased. Still, it seems to me that even if it couldn't be used for the other characters, it should at least be able to be used for Parthenon, seeing as the statements about him are coming from the hero himself, but I guess I wanted to see what others thought about it. —Mears man 21:48, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I would say that qualifies as a Primary Source, with all of the restrictions that go with that. Pairadox 20:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You may be able to find an outside source for much of what is found on that site. For example, this newspaper article covers some of Hygena's back story that is found on that other site. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Markcronan (talk • contribs) 21:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC).

Fix the Defuser
Someone please fix the Defuser's episode status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by OwNeRz (talk • contribs)
 * I just did a bit of work on the Episode Progress Table, and it should be fixed now. —Mears man 22:50, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

3b
someone changed the 3b section to all green, saying that people compleated a task, but there was no task to complete, someone should change this, i'll try but i'm not sure how to do it. 76.189.110.228 00:11, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the table to its previous format. —Mears man 02:49, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Episodes 7 and 8
Somebody's going to need to take the time to expand the episodes 7 and 8. There is much more information to be added than what is there, not just the challenges too, there is more to say about the time in the lair, stan's thoughts, the real "essence" of the show, if you will. Problem is, that would take time to do and I'm not sure if anyone has that amount of time to devote to it. But lets try to get it done soon. Also, will the Defuser get his own page like Feedback? I thought it was decided the winner would get one. Thanks. Rhino131 19:13, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Feedback now has additional things (like online interviews, Mega Snake, etc.) to add to an article. The Defuser (whom one of my family members works with in Austin, by the way) needs to do more post-show stuff to merit an article. Jarret has been busy just teaching detectives the last couple of months. He didn't even go to Comic-Con with Stan. We saw Hyper-Strike and Hygena there. Wryspy 04:50, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, Feedback didn't go to any conventions (that I saw at least) before he was announced as the winner of Season 1 - it was always Major Victory and Fat Momma. So it might be that they have been intentionally keeping the winner off of the publicity circuit until he was announced. Of course, Feedback got an article right after he won, before the rest of his activities. So there is precedent for the Defuser having an article. The win on the show, the upcoming comic appearance, movie and action figure could be considered sufficient notability. Blade 17:08, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not that this is a forum, but I suspected it might be the case that they were deliberately keeping the winner out of the public eye until he was announced. Anyway, we need links for sources other than the show for all those other things on Defuser before he merits his own Wikipedia article. Wryspy 05:56, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * True, the page will have to be more than "The Defuser was the winner of Who Wants to be a Superhero", but once more information is out, then he will be noteworthy for a page. Rhino131 12:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Order of characters and contestants section
I was just wondering if there was any reason for the winner being listed at the top of the list and everyone beneath being listed in the order that were eliminated. To me it sees like it would make more sense to list them based on how long they were in the show. This way, the characters like Braid who weren't on the show very long aren't at the top of the list and readers would be able to find information about the heroes that were on the show longer, such as Hygena and Hyper-Strike, without having to read through the entire list. I don't know if I'm making much sense (I feel a bit like Ms. Limelight at the moment), but to me it would make more sense to list the character descriptions in the same order they appear in the Episode Progress Table. —Mears man 11:54, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been months and nobody has commented or left a response, so I went ahead and made the changes I suggested last September. — MearsMan  talk  14:30, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

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