Talk:Widespread Panic

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Widespread Panic holds the record for most headliner appearances at Red Rocks Amphitheatre outside of Denver, Colorado. Typically three shows sell out in less than 10 minutes.

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Learn how to spell tier if you are going to use it in a sentence. Did you go to a second tier primary school? Methinks yes..... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.249.41.17 (talk) 22:07, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

fine work towards the hypnocracy.

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72.166.224.192 (talk) 16:45, 31 March 2008 (UTC)== NOT one of the nation's biggest touring acts ==

In 2005, WSP played Deer Creek, which holds 20,000 people. They sold 4.000 tickets. WSP might be one of the more popular bands in the second teir jam band bracket, but they are NOT one of the country's biggest live bands.

Also, it is flat-out call WSP "heavier" than Phish. Ridiculous.


 * I have made reference to their records in terms of attendance in the article. To note, these are all pre-hiatus.--Moeron 00:09, 9 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No, Panic is not heavier than Phish. But while they are not the nation's biggest touring acts, they are certainly one of them. When I attended their performances regularly in 2000-2002, they regularly sold out huge venues that 95% of touring groups could never dream of filling half of the seats. And not only the South. I know they have a dissapointing draw from time to time, but you should be realistic enough to recognize that they are powerful at the ticket box. User:Havardj


 * I'll have to respectfully disagree with the notion that Panic is not heavier than Phish. On lyrical weight alone Panic is heavier than Phish. Throw in the heavy Neil Young influence and chainsaw like peaks that dump into raging segues and I think there's no comparison. Phish jams are highly structured and played nearly note-for-note each time which lends to its soft nature after a few listens. Jimsurge74 17:01, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I definitely think you are dead wrong about second teir jam band thing, I've seen them fill massive arenas.--M4bwav 01:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * It depends on what you mean by "second teir jam band". If you mean it like how it is described here on Wikipedia, in terms of chronologically, they should be considered a second generation jam band. If, however, you mean by the amount of touring/selling tickets, I would have to agree that they are not in the same league as Phish/GD (yet, at least). --Moeron 01:46, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well that depends is there some kind of level of ticket sells we are talking about, because I don't think there are any jam bands in between Phish and WSP. I mean if they are second teir, that would mean the first teir only has room for the Grateful Dead and Phish.--M4bwav 03:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Widespread Panics popularity is somewhat related to latitude with a component of population density. New York City is a sold-out run. Buffalo, probably not so much. Anywhere from Raleigh down? Sold-out. Mikelieman 19:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Panic is not one of the biggest touring acts out there, there are a lot of MTV bands and other worthless music that draw huge crowds of teenie-boppers who know nothing about music, but if we are talking about bands with actual talent, yes Panic is the biggest and the best. no one sells out venues such as red rocks faster. As for being heavier than phish, show me a phish song that is heavier than "Imitation Leather Shoes" or even "Thought sausage." USER:seanbra7610:45, 31 March 2008.

Hard living
Please keep the "hard living"/"minimal technical skills" silliness out of the article. Wikipedia has a Neutral point of view policy. Rhobite 01:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

I like the hard living insult. As if Phish never played an awful show because the band was too wasted to cover "Gettin' Jiggy with It," much less jump on a trampoline. User:Havardj

Jam not Jam band
That whole section was unreferenced speculation so I removed it. If and when you find a source for it, by all means return it. I've been too literally dozens of widespread shows, and listened to literally days of live dead material, while widespread may not play tripped out jams for as long a period at one time as the dead, widespread definitely plays tripped out jams. And the dead don't always jam tripped out style, sometimes they are just extended country-rock jams. --M4bwav 18:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Its fine as you changed it. I'll buy that some of Panic's jams are fairly free-form, and you're right, my section was undocumented. I've also been to quite a few of their shows and have a huge collection of bootleg material, and a lot of what I've heard breaks the common conception of what Panic is. The main reason I wrote the section the way I did was in order to improve on a similar previous section which compared Panic unfavourably with other jam bands for their lack of original jams. This article has a small history of problems, so its worth keeping an eye on. User:Havardj


 * Sorry if my tone was sounded aggressive, I wouldn't mind expanding that part or any other part, if there were more references. Referenced information is awesome because then people could read more in depth information if they wanted, I'll look around, if feel like digging anything up it would be pretty cool.--M4bwav 22:44, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Organization
I am going to try to better organize the article, add a "past members" box, include some links to interviews and such. I also want to add some more in from the timeline for the Everday Companion. Looking forward to working with some of you to present this article even better! --Moeron 15:08, 10 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Cool, I was going to organize it today, but if you want to do by all means.--M4bwav 15:32, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Midwest popularity
I have noticed that widespread is kind of popular in certain midwest locations, like parts of colorado, anyone hear anything like this, or have any sources.--M4bwav 15:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Spoken Word Article
I was going to record a spoken word version of this article, but I'm waiting to make sure the article is stable, so that the spoken version can be close to the real article.--M4bwav 13:30, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you wait a week till about the 26th? I have been meaning to add more about the history and such, but have been tied up with other articles on Wiki. --Moeron 14:15, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Lol sure, I don't take much encouragement to procrastinate.--M4bwav 14:33, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Song Histories
While the meaning behind many of Widespread Panic's songs is something of lore among fans (and very often open to interpretation), several rumors do indicate that there is at least some truth behind them.

A few examples of rumored meanings:

 Bear's Gone Fishin'  - Refers to a close friend nick-named Bear(who was dressed as a sea monster) disappearing from an after-show Halloween party and a concurrent dissappearance of a mermaid at the party. When Bear finally reappeared, JB asked Bear where he had been, and Bear's reply was "Bear gone fishin'"

 Imitation Leather Shoes  - Quite literally based on Franz Kafka's book "The Metamorphosis"

 C. Brown  - A take on Charles Schultz' Peanuts comic strip

 Hatfield  - A ficticious account of the events surrounding "rain maker" Charles Hatfield and the Diego Wide Awake Improvement Club

 Big Wooly Mammoth  - Rumor among fans cite this song as an allusion to wearing a condom

 Chilly Water  - A long-time crowd favorite, apparently taken from the biblical story of Rebekah.

 Climb To Safety  - Rumor has it this song is about kicking a heroin habit

 One Arm Steve  - Shortly after joining the band, JoJo showed up to a gig and attempted to enter through the back entrance. Alledgedly, a one-armed bouncer named Steve prevented him from entering, as his picture had not been added to the band's promotional poster

 Jack  - A novel tale involving a deck of Bicycle playing cards

 Action Man  - Finding itself the subject of much debate, this song is commonly viewed as a reference to Man O' War, a racing horse, or, alternately, adult film star Ron Jeremy

Mercy  - One theory holds that this tune is about imminent death

I have moved the above section here because of the fact that this is rumor and speculation. If the policies of WP:V and WP:OR are followed and these theories are cited, they should be added back into the main article. Until that time, please discuss the reintroduction here. (Also, note that messageboards and other internet discussion sites are not considered WP:RS). -- moe .RON   talk  00:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup
I have cleaned up and edited the Discography section of the artilce per most other Wiki Band articles. I don't have enough background knowledge of the band however, to clean up the remainder of the article. It should be better divided into sections for easier searching/reading. If someone could please do that, I would appreciate it. Who know's FA status if that happens? It certainly contains a plethora of info! Plm209 15:58, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

I would like to help with this page, but I'm new to wikipedia editing. I was going to fix the dead link in the "George leaves" article in the references section, but I can't figure out how. (It should end in a 5, not a 3.) I will work on the remainder of the article. Rainbirdbrain 18:39, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Also, under video listings, the link for "Panic in the Streets" leads to a 1950's movie of the same name, not the dvd. If anyone can fix this as i could not i would appreciate it. Edited 6:09PM Feb 24 08 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.152.113.252 (talk) 00:09, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Brown Cat Additions
Hi everybody. My name is Matt and I'm am with Brown Cat, Inc. the management for Widespread Panic. I've been asked by the band to make some additions to the Wikipedia site and check for any inconsistencies that may be present. The band wants to offer the most accurate biographical information and facilitate the best general knowledge about the group. I am going to create a Videography section. Thanks guys and feel free to share your thoughts. User:Mattd523 11:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

I may be wrong but I think there's a rule that says you can't edit an article that you are involved with. I mean you are clearly a non-neutral editor, but as long as there aren't any conflicts I don't care. But if there are, you should probably quit editing at that point.M4bwav 17:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Hey guys! I am a intern working with Brown Cat, Inc, and I will be adding information regarding Widespread Panic's videography. I'll be starting with "Earth to Atlanta" right now and will eventually have all of their videography information on the site. I hope that is okay with everyone. You are welcome to share your opinions regarding this information if you choose to.

Images in Discography
I am going to be removing the images from the discography and related sections per WP:FAIR USE. Note the section on images that the image must serve a purpose other than adding artistic touch to the page. Each album should have its own page and the cover should be included there. I will check each album to ensure this before editing. This is just to warn everyone why the change is occuring and if you would like to discuss it with me feel free. Another person well-briefed is Moeron. He might be able to shed some light on any questions that might arise.  Plm  209 (talk to me • contribs) 14:54, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed; I am suprised I haven't happened to notice this page before, since it is one I edited a lot in the past =| -- moe.RON   Let's talk  17:30, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for removing the videography images. I didnt know what to do since there are no pages for individual videos and the images would become unlinked to any pages. Looks good to me!  Plm  209 (talk to me • contribs) 14:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Reference Update
I have removed bad reference links in this article. The web pages no longer existed. I will also replace them with updated links relative to the events (i.e. George McConnell's departure and Jimmy Herring's joining of the band August 2007). Mattd523 11:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Philips Arena record?
How can they have sold out 17 straight NYE? The arena hasn't been open 17 years. Do they mean 17 straight shows that were part of NYE runs?

With regard to the above, I agree: I deleted that reference because it's false. Philips opened in 1999, so there's no way that the band played there for 15 consecutive years (the number of years I deleted). If there is some sort of record that someone is aware of, then they can add and cite it. Glenn Leavell (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi all, it is in fact reference to 17 shows since 1999. The band has played multiple night runs at Philips Arena from 1999-2007 with the one exception of 2004. I will find the appropriate citation and add this back into the article. Thanks. Mattd523 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 04:22, 6 Nov 2008 (UTC)   —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.155.175.253 (talk)

11/6/08 updates
Hi all. I have moved the November Asheville show reference to the "2006-Present" section since this is not as relative to the "Live Show" section discussing the band's setlist process.

I have also added a citation for Domingo Ortiz's debut with the band.

Mattd523 (talk) 04:22, 6 Nov 2008 (UTC)

Planned review
Hi there. I noticed that there are not a lot of solid third-party references on this page, and that many of the references are not appropriately cited. I think the content is good; it's just not appropriately cited. I'm going to edit this for strength of sources, OR, and NPOV, unless there are any objections. Thanks! RMJ (talk) 14:41, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

9/28/09 updates
I moved the discography section to it's on wiki page. I also added some photos and updated the information under "2006 to present" and added some more citations to the "charity/benefit work" section. Mattd523 (talk) 18:07, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

10/1/09 updates
The videography is now a separate page so I got rid of the video list on this page. Mattd523 (talk) 18:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

10/6/09
Just letting you guys know that I took the charity/benefit work section and simply created a table out of it to make it easier to read. Mattd523 (talk) 16:25, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

11/5/09
Hey all. I went ahead and added some pictures to the page under the Early years, 1996-2001 and 2006-Present sections. Mattd523 (talk) 19:25, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

SquidBillies
Squid-fucking-billies, WTF?!

Associated acts
"Grateful Dead, Allman Brothers Band, Phil Lesh & Friends, Phish, Gov't Mule"

^ I don't get this. ABB and Mule make some sense but the others dont. GD members have sat in before(Weir in 2000) but not the "Grateful Dead." Same with Phish, Trey and Page sat in in 1993, also Page plays on the studio verision of Holden but that's it. Since these were very limited engagements I don't think they qualify as associated acts. I don't think the band ever had any interactions with Phil & Friends other than a member in common. If there are no objections, I am changing this to "Col. Bruce Hampton, Vic Chesnutt, John Keane, Mavis Staples, Dottie Peoples, Warren Haynes, Derek Trucks, David Blackmon." That's a partial list as there are more, suggestions welcome. All are more accurate and had more extensive collaborations with the band than those listed. What does everyone think? UselessToRemain (talk) 23:17, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

^ Add Jerry Joseph to that. UselessToRemain (talk) 16:46, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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Domingo Ortiz joined in 1988 or 1989, not 1986
Based on this source I found (http://www.everydaycompanion.com/asp/timeline.asp) Domingo Ortiz did begin sitting in with the band regularly in late 1986 but he did not officially join the band and become an official member who performed with them at every show until late 1988 or early 1989. This is further confirmed by this early video of the band (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkoct9Wu0qs) circa 1987 where he is absent on stage. I have adjusted the article and membership section to reflect this. I put 1988 as the first year of his official membership in the members section as he did record with them on their first album which was recorded in late 1987 and he had been sitting in with them a lot since late 1986. Since there is some question about this I would say it is reasonable to assume he was fully on board by late 1988 for the purposes of this article. sk8punk3d288 (talk) 22:20, 5 December 2016 (EST)

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Seeking help regarding pages for their Porch Songs releases
Do the Porch Song exist as physical media or were they just downloads, if they were downloads only was cover art provided for them? I want to add cover art to the pages Wilmington, DE 2001, Milwaukee, WI 1996, Geneva, MN 2001, Atlanta, GA 1998, Kalamazoo, MI 1997, and Morrison, CO 2001 but am having no luck finding anything. Thanks in advance. J04n(talk page) 18:43, 16 January 2024 (UTC)