Talk:Widnes/Archive 1

Assessment Report
DDStretch   (talk)  02:31, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Article needs to be expanded using WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements as a guide.
 * 2) More photos need to be added.
 * 3) References and Citations are crucial for wikipedia, and so these must be added as the article is expanded. Make sure that as many as possible are "in-line" citations.(See WP:References, WP:V, and WP:CITE for guidance.)
 * Added the picture of widnes central but couldn't get the thumb nail view to work for some reason. If anyone can address this it would be appreciated.

Homeward Bound

If Simon wrote this (or got the idea for it) in 1965, it couldn't have been at Widnes Central since this was closed in 1964. It may have been Ditton, closed 1992 (from which factories can be seen, unlike from the present Widnes station which is in leafy suburbia). This would also make sense if he was heading to London. Thought the fairest thing is to note there is a dispute over the station in question. Doesn't anyone here know Paul Simon - if so - ask him!

Exile 11:49, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Too many subsections
I don't think the 'transport' and 'religion' sections need to be subdivided. The 'bus' and 'methodist' sections are far too short. Also, can't 'Sports and leisure venues' and 'Sport' be combined? Epbr123 23:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Subdivisions in Transport and Religion sections removed but the Sports entries kept separate - see here. Peter I. Vardy 10:28, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've had another go at cutting down headings -- 40+ sections is a bit much for any article, but especially so for the amount of material here. Sections are great for ordering material, cutting text up into digestable chunks, and providing a table of contents, but you can go too far the other way, and have the text too fragmented to be readable, and the ToC too full to be useful.
 * I was wondering: why are libraries and health considered to be communual facilities, but schools aren't? Joe D (t) 22:14, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments on Widnes. I had based the subheadings on those in the Runcorn article which had been rated a GA, although the assessor for that has subsequently commented that there were too many subheadings on that as well. I must say the ToC now looks much better. Regarding 'Education' being separate from 'Communal facilities', I suppose that is based on WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements which does list them as separate subheadings under 'Present day' (and that is a heading I do not find helpful as everything apart from history is likely to be more or less 'present day'). I suppose that settlements with universities (which Widnes does not have) will be providing more than just communal facilities under the heading of Education. You might like to discuss this with members of WikiProject UK geography. Best wishes. Peter I. Vardy 10:52, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the reply, I hope you don't mine me copying it here -- I like to talk in the public namespace where possible, to allow others to get involved too. I agree with the point about the "Present day" header and there are ongoing discussions at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements about whether to phase them out that you may be interested in.  I'm not especially bothered about where education goes, but I have a few ideas about potential changes for the guidelines on that too, so I might bring them up when I get a moment later in the week.  Joe D (t) 12:13, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Good article
I have passed the article. I have copyedited several areas. It is nicely written, with extensive references. Although I have never been to Widnes, I now have a fair idea of the history and politics of the town, and what I could expect to find there. Congratulations to all editors, especially Peter I. Vardy. Axl 10:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Odd Question
Is this town the inspiration for the line in the old hymn, "There's a wideness in God's mercy"?Pustelnik 22:31, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No. pschemp | talk 22:40, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

But there is a Widnes in God's Mersey.Pustelnik 00:04, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If there is a god, I can't imagine he's too proud of the Mersey! Mongoletsi (talk) 13:11, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

GA Pass
This article has been reviewed as part of WikiProject Good articles/Project quality task force. I believe the article should remain listed as a Good article but please supply a fair use rationale for Image:Arms-widnes.jpg. The article history has been updated to reflect this review. Regards, Epbr123 06:22, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not able to supply a fair use rationale so it has been deleted. Peter I. Vardy 15:15, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Addition to Governance
On 9 December 2007 an addition was made to this section which was unsupported by a reference. I have added a citation needed template and sent a message to the editor. I intend to delete it if citation(s) cannot be added. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:57, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

FA
What about going for FA with this? It looks good. --Jza84 | Talk  14:16, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Nice thought. I had two attempts with the companion article Runcorn and received so much hassle I decided to give up on FAs, at least for a while.  But if anyone else would like to try to see it through.....  I would help of course, where I could. Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

'Club 4' in Widnes.
I think there should be a section on 'Club 4' in Widnes. It was a famous club throughout the North West during the early 1990s. Anyone into the acid house and rave scene at that time in the North West would have heard of 'Club 4'. Could whoever keeps deleting my 2 sentence entry under 'Culture' please let me know why? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Allanclare 1972 (talk • contribs) 25 May 2008


 * Thanks for the message. First of all, please could you sign your messages here. Now, the material keeps on being deleted because it is unverified by using suitable reliable sources which are cited. If you wish to re-add the material, please add suitable referencing, guided by the links I've just given, to verify the information you add. I know that other material you will find on wikiedpia is not adequately sourced, but does not absolve us of trying to be better editors of a good encyclopaedia here where we can. To assist you, I have transferred the material here, and, after adding the verification, as outlined above, it can be transferred back to the article:

"Widnes was also the home of 'Club 4' which was a famous club throughout the North West during the early 1990s youth culture of acid house and rave. Many thousands travelled to it from all over the North." I hope that explains matters. DDStretch   (talk)  22:54, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

Notable people
The following people: Jennifer Ellison, Joey Barton, Leighton Baines and Iain Turner have been included as residents of Widnes. A request for inline citations from reliable sources has been in place since April 2008. As these have not been forthcoming, the names have been deleted. Similarly I have deleted Mike Nicholson and Mario Marconi (born in Widnes) who also have no citations. If suitable citations can be supplied, please reinstate the names (with citations of course).

Notable people
The following people: Jennifer Ellison, Joey Barton, Leighton Baines and Iain Turner have been included as residents of Widnes. A request for inline citations from reliable sources has been in place since April 2008. As these have not been forthcoming, the names have been deleted. Similarly I have deleted Mike Nicholson and Mario Marconi (born in Widnes) who also have no citations. If suitable citations can be supplied, please reinstate the names (with citations of course). Peter I. Vardy (talk) 17:02, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Notable People III
Re Kim Cattrall. This appears to be one that hasn't gone away. I have removed reference to her being from Widnes, incl source, (less than reliable). Kim Cattrall is from Liverpool this is seen in references on her wiki page but one in particular is with Mel C (and Mel B) on the Paul O'Grady Show and not only does she confirm she is from Liverpool but speaks with a Liverpool accent. A clear mandate for her birthplace. If she was from Widnes she would say so, (Mel C on this interview actually says she is from just outside Liverpool-refering to Whiston/Whiston Hospital).Babydoll9799 (talk) 19:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Mel C is form Widnes see:http://www.thisisworld.co.uk/cheshire/runcorn__widnes/celebs/mel_c.html and http://www.liverpooldailypost.co.uk/liverpool-life-features/liverpool-style-city/2007/07/05/beauty-is-simple-for-mel-c-64375-19406843/ as to why she claims to be form Liverpool I have no idea. --Zabouth (talk) 12:24, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi, thought you might be interested to know that Kim Cattrall' IMDB page references Widnes as her place of birth (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000326/). As these things are generally controlled by agents, I think it qualifies as a reliable source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.222.183.10 (talk) 00:40, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
 * And yet in the BBC series Who do you think you are? she herself said she came from Liverpool!--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 08:50, 18 April 2010 (UTC)

Proposal to move Silver Jubilee Bridge to Runcorn Bridge
There is a discussion at Talk:Silver Jubilee Bridge regarding moving the article to Runcorn Bridge or possibly Runcorn-Widnes Bridge. Please participate. Bazonka (talk) 07:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Widnes
Widnes is situated in Lancashire not in Cheshire! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.57.32.53 (talk) 12:16, 13 February 2013 (UTC)


 * Not any more! Also, coyld you sign your contributions on talk pages by using 4 tildes (~). Thanks.  DDStretch    (talk)  12:41, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

Millions
The British film Millions (one of my all-time favourites) appears to have been shot mainly in Widnes. At least, the boys attend Ditton Primary School (called "All Saints" in the film), and the outline of Fiddlers Ferry power station is seen several times from an angle that can only be gained from a viewpoint within Widnes. I think this ought to be mentioned. --Kreuzschnabel (talk) 22:35, 12 January 2016 (UTC)