Talk:Wii/Archive 15

Please, read the other headers
I keep seeing new sections made in the talk page for info we are already talking about. Before you make a new section, please read the other headers to see if we're already discussing it.--The Viper 03:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

DVD Playback
I remember reading in a players poll in a Nintendo Power issue a couple months back that the Wii will have DVD playback built in right out of the box. I searched online but didn't really find anything. Should it be added, or should we wait?Uturnaroun 01:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe the official news is that the Wii will not play DVD's out of the box, for licensing reasons -- the system can read the actual data just fine, it's the video decompression routines which are copyrighted/protected/patented (I forget which) and require Nintendo to pay royalties for. As such, Nintendo will be making a separate attachment to provide the codecs for playing DVD's.  This reduces the costs of manufacturing the console since Nintendo won't have to pay codec licensing fees for every Wii produced, but rather only for those who actually want that capability on their Wii. --Stratadrake 04:27, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Then why does xbox 360 and ps2 pla dvds out of the box? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Atlfalcons933 (talk • contribs)
 * Because Sony and Microsoft paid for them(Sony did, but MS is getting sued for it), Nintendo actually tries to save people money because they know that most people already own a DVD player(especially since you can buy a new for as low as $30). TJ Spyke 01:08, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Initially, you couldn't play DVD's on Xbox right out of the box. You had to purchase a $30.00 DVD Playback Kit.  Xbox  The purchase of the kit seperately was for the exact notion stated above; to not pay licensing fees so as to keep costs down.  As costs went down, MS began including the DVD Playback Kit with the system.--The Viper 01:28, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I never heard anything about them eventually including it with the system. Do you have a link? TJ Spyke 01:30, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's right there on the Wiki page itself. Xbox "Later, as the price of the Xbox dropped, the DVD remote was bundled."  No citation though so take it as you will.--The Viper 01:37, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe I will add a citation tag to that because I don't remember hearing about that. TJ Spyke 01:38, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

GameCube controllers & wireless Wii remotes simultaneously?
Is there any information about how the wired controller ports will work? Will they work at the same time as the wireless controllers, and if so will more than four simultaneous players be possible with an un-multitapped Wii? I want to know if I can look forward to 8-player Double Dash. 141.149.15.47 07:09, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't think the Wii remotes will work for Gamecube games. -SaturnYoshi 07:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)


 * There is the classic controller for that. There is no evidence right now that the GCN controllers will be used for anything other than GCN games. Jaxad0127 16:04, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't want to turn this all the way into a discussion board, but is it possible for them to have some kind of bluetooth receiver hook into the gamecube controller slots so that eight Wiimotes (or more) could be used in one game? MrVoluntarist 20:57, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We'll know more on Wednesday when Nintendo holds the Japanese media briefing. Bluetooth is built in already, by the way, so theoretically that's already possible.  4 has just become a standard set by Nintendo because splitting the screen further makes most games unplayable for the players and unoperable for the system.--The Viper 01:34, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, one use of the Wiimote I was hoping for (and would write myself if I had the SDK) was that you could holster one to each arm and leg, and there could be a dancing game like DDR but capable of detecting kicks, twirls, arm rolls, handstands, etc.  You would maybe see a stick model of yourself on the screen.  If you wanted to have two people in the dance, with full functionality, you would need eight Wiimotes to transmit at once, and that wouldn't require subdivision of the screen.  But now I'm rambling...MrVoluntarist 13:31, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You may be in luck. 3rd party armstraps/gloves that hold the Wii controller in them will be available at launch.  This may lead to what you described as a very real possibility. --The Viper 14:23, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Bear in mind that each controller has nonvolatile memory and a very capable expansion port. Four-player, two-handed games will be possible with the "nunchuck" (Wiimote + Joystick fob) and dual-wielding may be possible with a male-to-male Wiimote + Wiimote connector. Nintendo stands to make some serious cash on attachments, so the dancing/fighting idea with gloves and shinguards could be done with wired attachments or non-bluetooth wireless sensors. 128.113.229.105 19:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it was announced at E3 that GCN controllers will be used for Super Smash Bros. Brawl. --Nintendorulez talk 18:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There might a possibility of 4+ GCN controllers. According to Nintendo Power, it said that the Nintendo Wavebird controller can connect directly to the Wii without the reciever. The limit of controllers is unknown though.Uturnaroun 14:57, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * To my recollection, the Nintendo Power statement was a hypothetical posed as a multiple-choice answer in a Players Poll, and not really a confirmation of anything. Has that changed? Dancter 16:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

new launch title
ubisoft has announced splinter cell double agent will be lauched —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Atlfalcons933 (talk • contribs).
 * We've known that for about 2 days. TJ Spyke 01:06, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. TJ, no need to be that harsh. -- ReyBrujo 03:12, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I wasn't trying to be harsh. TJ Spyke 03:15, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Seven Sega virtual console titles
It seems a nice finding at http://www.codenamerevolution.com/?p=1820. The titles are Altered Beast, Ecco The Dolphin, Columns, Golden Axe, Ristar, Sonic the Hedgehog and Toe Jam & Earl. Since the information is in ESRB database, I think we can add the titles to the article. -- ReyBrujo 03:10, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * They check out in ESRB's database. The list may change, though. Jaxad0127 03:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * IGN is also reporting on this: http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732165p1.html. Jaxad0127 18:35, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Virtual Console Storage
Where will they downloaded games be stored? Emk52(Emk52 15:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC))

The console will have 512 MB of onboard storage and you can expand it through SD memory cards. That is in the article, I believe. ptfreak (ptfreak 25 September 2006)

Wiimakes
Should we include the news about possible gamecube remakes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.15.219.13 (talk • contribs)
 * There isn't really any news, Miyamoto just he would like to do it and it was a possibility. I am not opposed to it though if other people also feel it should be in. TJ Spyke 01:12, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's already in the article, under "Developer support". It's been there for a while. Dancter 01:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Japan Press Conference
Nintendo is supposed to be unveiling the price, release date, and some "megaton" announcement for Wii about now in a Japanese conference; any word on what's happening at the moment? I've looked around, and so far see nothing.-Super Genus 01:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just rumors what they will announce. Also, it's a private invite only event and not a public event. We might not get any info until it's over(and even then it will be just Japanese info most likely, the North America event is tomorrow). TJ Spyke 01:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The main problem was that IGN announced a wrong time. I suggest to take things calmly, wait until every fact is confirmed in a reliable site (GameSpot, IGN, GameSpy, etc), and to watch out for vandals. The page may need to be semi protected if we get a lot of spam, so that established editors can arrange the information correctly. And remember that edit conflicts are very likely to happen, so watch out. -- ReyBrujo 01:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I have seen http://seattlepi.com/business/285027_nintendo14.html at some gaming forum. Note that the article states the company plans to announce today that it will, thus it is a verifiable date but not an official one. Just in case someone is thinking about adding it there. -- ReyBrujo 04:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Japanese conference will start any time now, so we'll probably hear it straight from Nintendo soon enough. Dancter 04:38, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

November 19 for $250?
http://www.gamespot.com/news/6157572.html

What a rip off. McDonaldsGuy 04:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If you're going to add the information, at least clarify that the reported date was specifically for North and South America. Being accurate is much more important than being first. Dancter 04:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I am still editing everything. McDonaldsGuy 04:57, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And that it is not confirmed. I am wondering why to add that information, as it is not different from the previous reports that the console would be 170 and launch on October... -- ReyBrujo 04:59, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Did Nintendo hold a conference when those rumors were floating around? I've provided my source, sounds pretty reliable. If it's wrong, we'll just change it back. McDonaldsGuy 05:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I am suspicious of this, especially since it doesn't appear on the NYT website(where the article is from) at all. I think we should wait for actual confirmation from Nintendo first. TJ Spyke 05:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, good idea I suppose. But why would GameSpot lie about a NYT article? McDonaldsGuy 05:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Here's another source: http://seattlepi.com/business/285027_nintendo14.html McDonaldsGuy 05:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * (ecx2) The conference in Japan hasn't started yet. The article is found at http://seattlepi.com/business/285027_nintendo14.html but so far Nintendo hasn't announced anything, thus even if it is the real data, it is just a rumour (note that it says the company plans to announce today that it will). -- ReyBrujo 05:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Dunno, McDonaldsGuy, the NA Conference didn't even start yet, the cry-baby's at GS are throwing hissy fits at this, so we should probably lock this, I don't think it's that bad, like we didn't see this coming. Thankfully it's still the most inexpensive console out there as of now. No complaints for me.--Signor 05:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This article needs to be protected since noobs and anon IP's will be constantly messing with the article today and tomorrow. Also, that Seattle website is just using the info from the NYT(even though there is no info on the NYT website). TJ Spyke 05:10, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm... now this is the question, I don't think the article could be protected in time (there are some articles queued waiting to be protected, apparently no admin paying attention to that queue). Maybe to prevent an edit war we should just let people set the November 19 date... Common sense states that we should discuss in talk pages than revert warring. -- ReyBrujo 05:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, since the news broke there's been 5 updates, so we will have a crapload of new information barreling in for the next 3 days. --Signor 05:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The current status of the article is already "outdated". The infobox states a date, while the body of the article informs about "As of September no date blah". -- ReyBrujo 05:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The date in the infobox is the reported date, but it has not been confirmed by Nintendo. If somebody else wants to remove it they can. TJ Spyke 05:32, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, just to keep the article updated and not contradicting itself, I moved the date from the infobox to the body as another rumour date. Whenever it is confirmed, you can just move it back to the infobox. -- ReyBrujo 05:39, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

As reported by GoNintendo, the NY article has been pulled off the site. -- ReyBrujo 05:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It may have been a hoax, or maybe they weren't supposed to leak the info yet. Either way, I put a "citeneeded" on it, and please, no one remove it unless you can get a firsthand cite other than the NY Times' now-deleted article (unless it's re-posted.) --HeroicJay 05:55, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * New York Times never posted the article, it was other sites reporting it and saying it was from the NYT(which is odd since there the article was never on the NYT website itself. TJ Spyke 06:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Bear in Mind that that's the japanese conference going on, 25000 yen I think, converted makes $212 USD, no? Maybe there was a mistake/mistranslation? The NA conference IS tomorrow, so Japan may be getting the 25000 yen and there may have been a mistranslation of price. Perhaps it's a mistake, which is why it was pulled, the news sites must have taken a poor translation of Japan's details and turned around to state it as fact for NA. Ninty got pissed and the articles pulled. --Signor 06:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

far too much for a gamecube with a remote :( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.7.253 (talk • contribs)
 * Huge bargain over the PS3. Anyway, Wikipedia is not a forum. Anyway, sites more high-profile than IGN have made mistakes in the past, so I wish people (well, mainly the one) would stop taking it as literal 100% truth. --HeroicJay 06:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Just to remind everyone, since there isn't any sort of protection on the article, 3RR may have to be enforced to cut down on edit-warring. Some may have already passed that point. Though I must say, things aren't as bad as I was anticipating. Dancter 06:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We are going to get the North American info in about 9 hours, I wish people would wait until then rather than posting unofficial info from the NYT article that has mysteriously never appeared on the NYT website. TJ Spyke 06:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * While I do agree that we should probably be conservative, and not assert the alleged NYT info as a confirmation, I think that it isn't a very realistic expectation to expect editors to abide it being kept out entirely. I say that as long as we present the information accurately, it should be safe to include it. True, it's not that long a wait, but that argument works both ways.
 * Here what seem to be the facts. Many sites found the information posted on the Post-Intelligencer website in what seems to be an article from the New York Times. IGN reported that the NYT went to press with that article. (That's not something that could've been simply gleaned from the PI page.) The article has since been pulled. Make that clear in the text, and we should be good. As far as news organizations go, PI is fairly reputable, and the scoop is fairly 11th-hour (not that impressive), so I think it's unfair to outright dismiss it as another run-of-the-mill rumor. Dancter 07:16, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

december 2nd japan release 100% guaranteed... the NYT article says that it will be released in the USA before Japan? No way! No way jose.( —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.7.253 (talk • contribs)
 * Okay, some IP reverted and to change it back would cause me to break 3RR. Someone else please handle it. --HeroicJay 07:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's official now. Reminded me of Assassin's Creed lol.... McDonaldsGuy 22:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

More Information
Here's more confirmation: Call (425)-885-7529. Choose option 2 (for systems) and then option 1 (for the Wii.) The recorded voice will tell you all sorts of stuff that could be useful for this article. (And its from a reliable source: Nintendo's Power Line, which is used mainly to give help with gameplay.) dogman15 7:51pm September 14th, 2006 (PST)

New York Times
The proper way to settle this is by discussing it, although I'm well aware that by the time consensus is reached, the American press conference will probably be long over. 9_9 There are sites quoting the alleged NY Times article, but NY Times does not have such an article and I've seen no actual evidence that it ever did. We will look more foolish if the NY Times thing turns out to be wrong and we include it, than if it turns out to be right and we don't, because we're not asserting anything in the latter case. People? --HeroicJay 07:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Like I said further up, we can present information without asserting it. Isn't that the point of WP:NPOV? As long as we simply present it as it actually was, even if it turns out to be wrong, it shouldn't be a problem, because we will have made no judgments as to its veracity. I'm trying to find a reasonable compromise, here. The other way wasn't working. Dancter 08:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, its simple, wait for the official nintendo annoucement http://uk.gamespot.com/events/wiilaunch/live.html at 17:00 GMT/09:00 PDT, and wait for ninty to officially announce the date and price for america (and europe)User:chngbat 09:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it seems the NY Times has put this article on its site officially (or replaced it or whatever), but we still haven't received official word from Nintendo. --HeroicJay 08:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The official Nintendo release can be read here. ConnertheCat 16:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Here, by the way. --HeroicJay 08:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

No Metriod Prime 3 for launch.
Hey guys, as noted here, Metriod Prime 3: Corruption has been pushed to 2007, so I removed it from the launch list. --Headcase 14:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

TMNT added to Wii launch window
If you can access the Wii Preview 2006 Online Press Kit, there's a list of third party launch window games (from Nov. 19th to March 31st). A tenth title from Ubisoft is now listed: Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (Ubisoft has the license for the movie, unlike Konami who has the licesne for the cartoon). Not sure if I should link the reference to it or not in the main article, since it's from Nintendo's press site. --BPM 16:49, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Wii Browser Not Free
Cross-posting between here and Talk:Wii Browser...

According to Nintendo's site, here, the Wii Browser will be purchased with Wii Points, which presumably are not free. Hence the browser would not be free (which makes sense... as with DVD playback, not everyone wants to browse the 'net on their TV, so it cuts costs). I think the section should be changed, unless anyone can find a place that either says Wii Points are free or directly conflicts with this statement. I checked the sites talking about the Wii Browser and they mentioned it would come on the system, and that it would be the web browser for the Wii... but not that you would be able to use it for free. Thus as far as I can tell there's no direct conflict right now. --Twile 17:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Wii Points will be 100pts/$1 if you buy the 20$ for 2000 points cards they announced. VC games will also use points.  I haven't seen anything about how much the browser will be though.  Check the IGN live coverage for a temporary story about this and I can't get to thewiire to check if they have a story yet.Sir hugo 17:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Updated to say it costs Wii points. Anyone with complaints, post them here. --Twile 17:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I was about to mention that. It's important to clarify that Wii Points is a credits system, and that the announced Virtual Console prices were not actually in US dollars, even though the price of a 2000-point card was priced at $20. What's to say that a larger point card won't be sold at better price per Wii Point? Dancter 18:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True, I did the math myself but didnt really think about the discount for larger. So far though from what I read about the Japan Conference 1 Wii Point = 1 Yen so I figure they are using points as an easy way of pricing things consistantly in one unit without having to worry about current exchange rates and such on their servers.Sir hugo 18:04, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * According to IGN here, the Browser will be a free download until June 2007. It says 2006 but clearly it can't be the case if the Wii isn't launched until Nov 2006

more questions from an australia ;)
Is there a australian release date.. or are we covered in the "Australiasia" date?

Is the unit multiregional ;)

Does the unit have DVD playback?

Is an internet connection required?

Why are they releasing the wii AFTER the Original PS3 release date?


 * An internet connection isn't required. On the Wii site it says stuff like "when connected to the internet, this feature will do this" or "this feature requires WiiConnect24" and such. They wouldn't specify that unless there was some stuff that didn't require 'net access. Released after the PS3 release date so they'll be able to say "We launched after PS3 and we've sold more units!" (just kidding on this ;)) --Twile 17:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I believe you are covered in the Australiasia date, but I'm not positive. The unit is region-locked, meaning no importing games from another area to play on a Wii you bought in your area. The unit will not have DVD playback, that feature was retracted because of the fact that most people have a DVD player in their house already. And they don't care about the PS3 release date. Nintendo believes that they are aiming for a different group of people than the PS3, and people planning on buying the Wii probably won't get the PS3 because it comes out 2 days earlier. When Amazon opened preorders, they were flooded with orders to the point that they were forced to close them because they weren't sure they would be able to provide that many consoles at launch. --ptfreak

changes
removed some released date info. that is now not needed. Also no DVD now and it is region free. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.100.251.136 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please cite sources for information such as this. Has Nintendo actually confirmed that there will be no DVD-Video add-on? Even if they have, it's important to mention that they once said there would be. There will come a time when a history section for the Wii will be very useful to readers, and this should probably be in there somewhere. Dancter 17:34, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You beat me to it. Thanks for adding back in the DVD stuff. Dancter 17:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * P. Kaplan is reported on IGN to say there won't be dvd add on after all - (reason given costs, etc) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 83.100.251.136 (talk • contribs) 19:01, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But my point is that they claimed there would be one before. If Perrin Kaplan said there won't be an add-on, we should add that information, rather than remove the information where Nintendo previously said there would be one. This isn't like removing the litany of bogus release date rumors. I feel that we lose an important element of the subject when we gloss over historical details like this. Just because the Advanced Video System was never made doesn't mean we shouldn't mention it in the NES article. Dancter 19:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

I think we should tell how many gamecubes there were at launch, there will be 4 million by end of year launching in U.S for wii but how many for gamecube so we know what the wii launch will be like compared to gamecube. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 207.224.65.175 (talk • contribs).

Archives
Someone created an archive today and archived some ongoing discussion. Please be careful when you are archiving. If a discussion has had a post in the past week (in this case there were posts TODAY), please do not archive. Whoever did this please revert. 67.99.60.231 17:30, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Wii Points
I figured that before we post information about Wii Points or write an article on them, we should collect and compare information here first (rather than the Wii Browser Not Free section). --Twile 18:20, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

Lauch titles
I added a type of game section to lauch titles - but it wasn't completely wanted - any concensus ?

My edit http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wii&diff=75751014&oldid=75750076

response - http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wii&diff=75751387&oldid=75751014 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.251.136 (talk • contribs)
 * I don't think it's needed, for the same reason we decided to get rid of the column stating whether the game was Wii exclusive or not. TJ Spyke 20:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * How is that vandalism then? - becuase you don't think it's needed —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.251.136 (talk • contribs)
 * ?? I never said it was vandalism. TJ Spyke 20:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You did revert the column addition once along with some other edits, and described it simply as reverting vandalism in your edit summary. Probably just a misunderstanding. Dancter 20:23, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought 'type of game' was as important as 'publisher' if not more. Any thoughts on putting it it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.100.251.136 (talk • contribs)

WarioWare Smooth Moves
Has it been confirmed for launch, because I haven't heard that anywhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.92.26 (talk • contribs)
 * They said it would not be a launch game but would be out within 90 days of launch, I haven't seen anything about them changing that. TJ Spyke 20:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * WWSM is a launch title in Japan (Dec 2) but as far as an American release, I think I read somewhere that it would be out before the end of the year, but not a launch title for America.KatzztaK 10:17, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

More Channels
http://www.wii.com/ They have one video for each channel, but two videos coming soon, which probably means two more channels. I dont' know if this is important enough to put in the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.26.92.26 (talk • contribs)

dvd playback
will the wii be able to dvds?


 * Sign your comments with 4 tildes! Yes, DVD functionality is confirmed to exist, though it will not have that feature out of the box. You'll need an external attachment to play dvds, and likely will need to download another channel as well.-Super Genus 22:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually NO DVD functionality is confirmed to NOT be in the box at any time http://wii.ign.com/articles/732/732730p1.html. The dongle has been canceled.Sir hugo 11:52, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Note how it clearly says Hollywood DVDs. What does that mean? Makar1 20:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This may have something to do with the licensing fee that is required to include DVD playback - a royalty to the "DVD Forum" I believe? Although I'm not sure if that means "home made" DVDs could be supported without paying this fee given that they still use the DVD "format" Drahmad 03:37, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Region locking
Could someone please expand that section? As it is now, it is completely confusing to any lay person who has no idea what the hell region coding is or why it is important. dposse 22:07, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks fine to me-Wikipedia assumes knowledge of related topics, and so it is unnecessary to delve into regional encoding. If a link does not allready exist to that article then I'll add one in, but there's no reason to explain it.-Super Genus 23:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Gamesindustry.biz is reporting that Nintendo Europe have said that the Wii will be region-locked after all. Allegedly, the announcement in the US was incorrect. Either way, someone's doing a terrible job.-Turbo Ginsu
 * Nintendo of Europe has made mistakes MANY times in the past, so i'm not sure how reliable they are. NOA has a better track record than NOE does. I think we should wait until NCL(i.e. Nintendo worldwide) says otherwise. TJ Spyke 20:02, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't take this as a fact, but more as a possibility. About a week ago, someone from Nintendo told us how the region lock will be on the games and not on the console itself.


 * Few days ago, other folks at Nintendo were in a rush to tell us that the console itself will be region locked and that the previous info was a mistake. Although it would be possible, it seemed that the original info was way to detailed to be a mistake. It's not the like original person said "Yes, it will be region free", that person really gave us details.


 * If you ask me, this is some cover up bull in order to prevent people from exporting/importing Wii consoles at launch and breaking the region availability before Christmas.Duhman0008 14:29, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Controller Shells
Do we have any details on the price of the controller shells? The Virtual Console controller looks necessary for games like Super Smash Bros Brawl, so it warrants mention if anything is known. And on a related note, any word on the Zapper?-Super Genus 23:05, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Controller shells? Do you mean the Classic Controller and Zapper Gun? The Classic Controllers will be $15, the zapper was just a prototype and never confirmed to be coming out. TJ Spyke 23:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Where did you get that information? I can't seem to find anything on the American price for the Classic Controller. Dancter 23:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It probably won't be that, that is just the Japanese price converted to US dollars. It's unlikely to be that different though. TJ Spyke 23:35, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Where is there anything saying a price for the classic controller? I assumed that it would be included.Tuesday42 23:41, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * In their Japanese conferance they announced what would be included with the system(which the Classic Controller wasn't listed) and that it would cost 1800 yen(about $15). They announced months ago that the Classic Controller wouldn't be included. TJ Spyke 23:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a Wii Remote and a Nunchuk bundled, but no Classic Controller. I don't think they've even confirmed the Classic Controller for the Americas, let alone a price. The Classic Controller is conspicuously absent from the controllers page on the NOA Wii site. Dancter 23:47, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The NYC conference did actually mention the Classic Controller but nothing about the price or anything. Youtube Link:  - about 2:54 in Webrunner 13:19, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice find. If you didn't point out where to look, I probably would've missed it, it was so brief. I'm still baffled about why NOA wouldn't have it on their site, though. Dancter 14:32, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As a side-note, I think it was stated before that Gamecube controllers would still work with Brawl, because Nintendo realizes lots of people are comfortable with that particular controller and button configuration on its #1 selling game, Super Smash Bros Melee. That having been said, when you think about it, the Wii Remote (with Nunchuk) really has almost all of the buttons the Gamecube controller has, and when you add in possibilities like a flick of the main controller for a C-stick smash attack, or of the secondary controller to block or aim a throw, it could easily have the same level of functionality without too much hand-waving. Just my 2 sense... though I'll stop it here as I should be talking about the article. Don't have any references to the statement about Gamecube controllers working with Brawl, do some google searching and I'm sure you'll find it... --Twile 04:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It was confirmed back at E3 that SSBB would work with the GameCube controller. TJ Spyke 04:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just a note on wii.nintendo.com, it seems to be only aprtially functional right now (seems to be in the middle of being updated). But, from what I can tell, the classic controller has been removed. Jaxad0127 05:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Dragon Quest Swords is no longer a launch title
According to the recently released library listing for Wii (which can be found here by way of Gamespot), Dragon Quest Swords is currently scheduled for a Spring 2007 release. As such, I have removed it from the list. Charles M. Reed 23:18, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! :( That stinks! *sigh* Oh well, guess we can't expect an rpg to be made in just one or two months (especially considering how long DQ8 is).

classic controller
Someone deleted the section on the classic controller. I know it wasn't mentioned in the conference and that it isn't on the official site anymore, but it hasn't been announced that it has been shelved. This can be discussed here, and I would like if someone would put that back up for me. I'm preoccupied right now.Tuesday42 01:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This article had its own section on the Classic Controller? I must've missed that. That's a disproportionate amount of detail in an already large article. I say keep any info on it minimal. If they want to know more about it, we have a prominent link to the Wii Remote subpage, where controller expansions such as the Classic Controller can easily be elaborated on. Dancter 01:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "Section" was a poor choice of wording on my part, but the article did cover the classic controller. I think... Tuesday42 01:49, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it was mentioned or shown at the conference actually. Maybe the Euro conference, but it was mentioned, I'm sure of it JayKeaton 15:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Reverting Archive
An (admittedly long) ongoing discussion was archived yesterday, and I'd like to revert it to this page. There were new posts as of yesterday and it should not have been archived (as someone else noted above). Anyone familiar with the proper way of doing this? Am I ok to cut it from the archive and paste it here? CPitt76 13:08, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Wii in Top 10 Most Revised Pages!
CONGRATULATIONS EVERYONE!

The last time Wiki's "Articles with the most revisions" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Mostrevisions page was updated was 13:17, 13 September 2006. At that time, Wii had been revised 10,245 times, placing it at 11th. Number 10, 2006 FIFA World Cup, had been revised 10,417 times. As of right now, Wii has been revised 10,623 times! So unless FIFA has been revised more than 200 times in the last few days, which I consider unlikely, the Wii now enters the TOP 10 MOST REVISED ENTRIES! We'll find out for sure when the most revisions page is updated again. Good work, next in our sites is to take out No. 9, Hurrican Katrina! - Keithustus 13:10, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I dont think this is really a good thing. Those edits most likely count every time there was an edit war on the name, every time a urine reference was added then taken out, every vandilization, etc.  I would rather be the most looked at page then the most revised.Sir hugo 13:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True, true, but it can mean more exposure. - Keithustus 13:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And it means the bad stuff is more likely to be edited, a LOT of people may be using the wikipedia Wii page to find out about it, it is one of the few pages that is important to look good and get right JayKeaton 15:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Not only this, but I was checking the top 100 most visited pages, and Wii was 37th! Even stuff like the PS3 only came about 70th and the XBox 360 is not even in the top 100! I really do not know if this is a good or bad thing, but loads of people keep deleting other people's edits, although, I personally have not edited this page...and ive forgotton to log in... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.165.219.2 (talk • contribs)

This article needs some re-arranging
The new info on the channels was just slapped in without a consideration to existing sections- as a result there's a section on the connectivity and a section on Wii channels which is mostly based on connectivity, in fact, there's two seperate sections on the web browser!

I propose we have a section on Wii Channels (with the browser and VC sections underneath it) and move WiiConnect24 under features. Webrunner 13:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not just the channels area that seem cluttered. The whole page is really quite a mess.  Not that we'd all agree how to make it look spiffy, however.  On a small point, you see how someone made a nice pull-down-ish menu for the region release dates and prices?  If someone can do that for the game lists, it might help quite a bit. - Keithustus 13:30, 15 September 2006 (UTC)


 * To be honest, that was to be expected. Once the novelty of adding breaking information into the article has passed for many users, then the regulars can really get to work cleaning up. Aside from the game lists, I don't expect there to be a big dispute over organization. Dancter 14:36, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

lol

Unnecessary poll
The poll below above is as unnecessary as it can be. Not because there is a No majority, but instead because it is bad focused. The question is not whether there should be references to urine, but instead, the repercusion of the name. -- ReyBrujo 03:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * One thing at a time. First we decide if it should be included or not. And then we decide what should be included. Jaxad0127 03:49, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Polls are evil, we should minimize the amount of them. We could close the above poll by now. We should focus on things we know are necessary and can be agreed fast, in example, in a criticism section about the name. What if now we find an article at CNN, another at eWeek and another at BBC (to put some examples of reliable sites) stating about the jokes with urine and penis? People would delete a valid referenced information because of the above poll. -- ReyBrujo 03:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The whole poll is to show that there is a consensus that urine and penis related jokes should not be in the article. TJ Spyke 03:59, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The idea behind this vote was to come to a clear consensus that this didn't warrant adding. Since that was Twile's entire case in the matter.  Now that we have a clear consensus this matter is closed.Sir hugo 12:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * And remember, we only had the poll because Twile demanded it. Jaxad0127 18:11, '12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just shut it. Please cite exactly where I said, "Can we please have a poll right now?" I didn't ask that because I didn't want that. Honestly, you guys call that a poll? There was ~16 hours between the start of the poll and the end of it. I didn't even get around to seeing it before it was closed, much less anyone else who might've voted otherwise. And you know why I didn't want a vote? Because I was hoping we'd be able to reason stuff out and do it the right way rather than using a bunch of people with crap reasons to bully the article in the direction they want. Just because you don't think urine when you hear "wii"/"wee" or you're miffed because some people "vandalized" the page by including it doesn't mean a thing.
 * Let me clarify something, mkay? For the past handful of posts I've been not just hitting on the wii=urine? thing, but the reaction to the name in general. Because honestly, even diehard Nintendo fanboys were a bit put off by the name. Is it not notable that even some of the most ferverent supporters opposed it for some reason or another? As it stands now, there's no mention of this whatsoever. No independent research, eh? So I guess the fact that even Forbes talks about stuff like this means nothing--obviously Forbes is just some little group I set up so I could establish a reputation with which to make fun of Nintendo, a company I love. Nevermind that I bought an Onyx DS Lite yesterday, I'm another vandal out to destroy your precious Wii page. Stop. Think. I'm not trying to destroy Nintendo's reputation or credability, I'm just not so willing to deny what happened when it might make a company's decisions look silly. Is it really so bad to state, truthfully and with sources, that there was an initial reaction to the name and it wasn't immediately welcomed? --Twile 04:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. I would like a section on negative reaction to the name, even if it's just one sentence with three or four references (urine/penis, unintuitive pronunciation, not "cool enough", non-obvious meaning, etc etc etc). These were comments brought up in both the gaming and non-gaming press. Ladlergo 04:45, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you, someone else wants to see a section on that. Urine jokes were made. People who read the name the first time sometimes thought it was pronounced the "Why". Some liked Revolution more. Nintendo had to issue numerous statements explaining why they made the name change (and why would they do this unless they anticipated some people not liking it?), when generally product names don't need such a thing (Did anybody even wonder what the X in Xbox is supposed to be, and did Microsoft explain it?). There was feedback to the name, which can be demonstrated from countless articles, and right now we're not even touching on it. The one line which mentioned the criticism of the name was removed a few days ago. And really, this is what I'm wanting to see changed. --Twile 21:41, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Twile, you went through the arcives and found no vote, then you wanted us to do one (your post at 02:25, 9 September 2006 (UTC)). Jaxad0127 05:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * And as why there should be no reference, please refer back to my post above Saturn-Yoshis Box=Vagina comment to as why I am strongly against this.--Signor 06:59, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's amazing how you're able to write so well considering you cannot read. In the quote you referenced, I said "I read the posts. I saw no vote. And as I currently disagree, there is again no consensus. So let's do this. You convince me why there shouldn't be a Wii section." Not that you'll read this anyway, considering you didn't read it last time, but for the sake of everyone else, I asked people to try and convince me why there shouldn't be a Wii=wee section. If I had wanted I poll I would've started one myself. And in response to Signor's comment above... well... I could've sworn I said earlier that the reason nobody puts in a box = vagina for Xbox is that, so far as I know, nobody joked about that. If there was a big deal about the name Xbox when it was first announced, then that would deserve to go in there. Maybe this will clear things up: The reason box=vagina isn't mentioned in most things which talk about box is that the noun form of box has been generally established to refer to... well... boxes! Nobody mentions it because it has a well-established form. 'Wii', however, sounds like 'we'. Now, 'we' is an established word/set of sounds in the sense of "We do not want green eggs and ham". If you use those sounds in the noun sense, currently in English (and this is an English article is it not?) it only has a one commonly known meanings, and "wee" as in the slang ("I gotta go wee wee"). The sound also can be related to "wee" as in small ("wee little puppy", which is more or less rarely used), "whee" as in ("Yay let's ride the roller coaster, whee!", which is more of an excited sound than real word), neither of which are used as nouns. Got it? Box has very common non-slang uses, hence nobody made fun of it, and it's not mentioned. "Wee"/"Wii" sound used as a noun only really has one common meaning, so peopled joked about it. --Twile 21:33, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, the poll was completely unnecessary. Why? Because even though this thing keeps being brought up every now and then, it is clear that the majority is against it anyway. Those who bring up the wee reference are few and far between, and every single time they are "voted" down with arguments that completely devastate theirs. No, "Wii sounds like wee" should not be added. Final word. Move on, and come up with more useful things to spend your time on. Ritarri 11:40, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Right. Most of us wouldn't mind, even welcome, a blurb on initial reaction to the name. As long as it doesn't contain bathroom humor. Jaxad0127 16:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

The name deserves its own section. Not just about the reactions, but also about things like Nintendos explaination for it.Tuesday42 22:10, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It already has it's own section. We're debating the inclusion of negative reaction to the name. Jaxad0127 03:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

It looks to me like this discussion has evolved from the simple Wii=wee debate into something a little more constructive to the article: possible inclusion of reactions to the name change. I agree that there should be some inclusion of reactions to the renaming of this console. The truth is that when Nintendo first made the announcement, a lot of people didn't like it, myself included (I still don't). And I would wager that most people didn't like it not because of the unintentional homophone, but because it really is a pretty lame name for a console. Wee jokes were made, but I can't find any references that this was the reason people didn't like the name. For those reasons, I don't think we necessarily need to emphasize this in the article. That said, I don't really think there is harm in at least mentioning this issue. Is the comparison bathroom humor? Yes. But no one here is originating the joke. If there had never been a mention of this anywhere else and someone decided to include it here because they thought it was funny, that would affect the quality of the article and I would be against its inclusion. But that isn't what's going on. Even people arguing against inclusion of any reference to wee jokes have admitted that they did happen. The fact that a lot of people participating in this discussion have knowledge of it indicates that it was a pretty prevalent occurrence, even if for only a few weeks. I think Twile's proposed rewrite still puts too much emphasis on the wee comparison, but there are ways to include it as part of a larger discussion on fan reaction without sounding childish. I think the first step to resolving this is deciding whether we want to add a section about public reaction to the name change, then we can talk about what should be included. CPitt76 04:21, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * An entire section devoted to the criticism of the name? Naaah, just make the name section expanded to include a reference that it was harshly critisized when it was revealed, there was a lack of news for months, and 2 weeks prior to E3 they announce a stupid name. It was so easy, an underpowered console, strange controller, stupid name. Of course it was mercilessly bashed. Right up to the Nintendo conference (or sony's) it was made fun of. Thankfully, after E3, it was generally relized that the Wii was more than just a console with a controller and a name. It was cool. So sure, add in that in the span between the announcement and E3 that it was bashed, put it in the name section, reggie even acknowledged the critics at E3 saying he'd like to thank the 2 people who liked the name when it was announced. So sure, go ahead, you're right that it did happen, even though it stopped happening after E3.--Signor 04:48, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That's actually what I intended. When I said "section" I was just using it as a general term.  I agree there just isn't enough there to warrant a separate heading in the article.  CPitt76 12:12, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Here how I think it should be handled. Just include the name criticism under the Name section. After the system has launched, any common complaints, etc. that reviewers have with it could go under a "Criticisms" section, although as at that point the name likely won't be a comparatively important or ongoing criticism it really won't belong there (although who knows, when the non-gamer groups hear of it, they might complain. Stranger things have happened.). And as a note to Signor, I'd like to point out that, from what I've seen, it's more of a "meh" reaction than anything else. Some people have really warmed up to the name, but I think a lot of people just shrug it off as something they can't change so they won't complain about. I still do know people who scoff at the name, and one guy who says "I refuse to call it by its new name" (though I think he's the exception). --Twile 22:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right about there being a criticism setion, there was one previously and it didn't work out because there weren't enough. They're all getting their own criticisms later on, 360 has one "it's hidden as 360 tech problems". But maybe you're right, but maybe you're wrong. This really is a POV thing right? I mean, gut reactions for the name are different from it being used and known for the past 3 months now.


 * I've seen positive stories in Times and USA today not mentioning the "awful name" (casually using a pun here or there). There's no way on Earth to do a census on who likes the name and who doesn't. My folks are fine with the name, even my annoying siblings are fine with it. Asking when is "Wii coming out?" or "wanting to play Excitetruck for Wii". But that's their POV, not yours, not mine. ... I agree as for now we'll put that "hard-hitting issue" in the name section. We'll wait for a while to make a "Criticisms of Wii" section, when there are tech issues or something else that is essential for criticism, instead of a matter of preference and gut reactions (unless it's something like "it was criticized when it was revealed for it's similarity to the slang word wee, but reception has generally warmed up for it". You say you've noticed that most people don't like it, or generally "uncaring" in your POV. I've seen people say they've gotten used to it on GS, and my siblings have no problem talking about it. Right now, just put the red text (or something along the lines) under the "Name" section. We'll put real criticism in a few months.--Signor 01:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sigh. I feel like we're on completely different pages on this. Can we do a census to see who likes the name and who doesn't? No. That's common sense. I don't even know why you're mentioning that. Citing a relevant opinion on Wikipedia doesn't require taking a census of the entire human population, it could be as simple as pointing out an opinion and giving a citation. Regardless that's off topic. So... are your siblings and folks fine with the name? Who am I to question what you say, I'm sure it's just peachy. And I bet a lot of people are fine with the name. What I was merely saying, and what I still believe, is that most of the people who have accepted the name just do so because there's no point in complaining, as Nintendo's not about to change it. I think that the number of people who don't particularly care for the name but don't complain because it would be pointless is larger than the combined groups of people who either love or hate the name. I don't have statistics to back this up, but I do have reasoning: people who can't change something they don't like might go along with it, but that doesn't mean they like it. Regardless, that was supposd to be an aside (see where I said "and as a note to Signor"?), a bit of my opinion following a suggestion for an article change. Please don't tell me in bold that "we'll wait" to do a Criticisms section, I think I already stated that when I said "After the system has launched, any common complaints, etc. that reviewers have with it could go under a "Criticisms" section". The topic of concern right now is whether we should include information about people's reactions to the name, and if so, how that should be presented. Ideas, people? --Twile 23:49, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Ideas This discussion was archived even though it is on-going. Since it hasn't been resolved, I've brought it back. The original discussion took place under 3 sequential headings, I've only re-inserted the last one. Please see the archive for the previous two (starting with topic "Wii = Piss") CPitt76 18:37, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just put it in already!--Signor 01:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Save
How are we going to save game progress on the wii? --MarioV 01:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This is not a message board. I will delete this in 1 hour, but to answer your question: the Wii has 512MB of internal flash memory. You can also use SD cards. TJ Spyke 01:14, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What's the biggest SD card you can use? Makar1 20:04, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not known. One could probably assume that you'd be able to use any size (you can find SD cards up to 8 GB; I've picked up a 2GB one for only $50 CAD). For the USB drives: we don't know, they mentioned it briefly once and went into no more detail. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 20:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Can you use Usb flash drives? It is mentioned at the top of the article in the specs but not in the main body. Makar1 14:50, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You will delete this in one hour? A question that could lead to further clarity for an important feature of this console in the article, you want to delete?JayKeaton 15:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Right, the Usb flash drive support has been removed from the table of specs at the top; we need to know if the Wii can use Usb flash drives. Makar1 19:29, 25 September 2006 (UTC) ==

critic
IGN, and many gamers are saying that the price is not very good, if you consider it this way. Many of the gamecube plants were converted to be able to make the wii. The wii has just a little better hardware. If it is for the whole family, you need three more wii-motes and nunjuks that is more than $180.00 with tax. They also took the DVD player out. Most people on the blogs and at IGN say that It should be $199.99 or less; if it must be $250.00 it should come with at least two wii-motes plus nunjuks. Some also criticize the price of the games for virtual console stating they should be no more than $5 even for the N64 games. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chumo (talk • contribs) I would like this to be posted under new tab criticism —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chumo (talk • contribs)
 * Please sign you posts. First, there are no sources for it. Second, it has nothing to do with the Wii, we are not going to add in every complaint someone has. TJ Spyke 06:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry look on some blogs and listen to the prodcast on IGN and you can see it there —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chumo (talk • contribs)
 * I'm about to log off(it's 2:30AM for me), so I will ley someone else explain why it shouldn't go in. TJ Spyke 06:30, 16 September 2006
 * Here are the reasons not to add it, as I see them: 1) You have no source. Yes, you can talk about IGN and "some people," but you have to point to a specific article or it doesn't matter, wikipedia isn't just going to take you on your word. 2) It's not an important fact about the Wii. If, after its launch, the price causes the system to be a failure, then reactions to the price are important. Right now though it's just people complaining. 3) It's clearly POV. While there are a lot of people reacting negatively to the price, there are also a number of people who think it's a fine price. Talking about POV's is okay, but only as long as you don't present only one POV. Rohein 06:42, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

don't you think its stupid that if you want 4 controlers it cost more than $430 american. lots of people have been saying that. even ign prodcast wii special —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chumo (talk • contribs)

what is POV thanks for clearing it up sorry i'm new and didn't mean to waste your time--Chumo 07:08, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * POV=Point of View. Wikipedia is supposed to be written from a neutral point of view(abbreviated NPOV here). TJ Spyke 07:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Was those first two posts an honest mistake, or was it meant to look like someone else agreeing with the first comment? I don't think this is a valid criticism, a Wii with four wireless controllers and three games is MUCH cheaper than a 360 with 4 wireless controllers and three games. JayKeaton 15:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but nintendo is going for the its for every one thus $480 plus tax us a lot $480 includes classic controller. xbox360 does not say its for people who never played. for the ppl that nintendo is trying to reach and what they say like grampa wants to play and mom and stuff you need all of the wii-motes plus nunchuks that the system supports.--Chumo 17:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Since you made the edit, could you provide a source for the Classic Controller being $15.99 in the US? Dancter 17:06, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

sorry I'll ask before I edit for help next time i think the info i put was wrong--Chumo 17:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Wii+3wii-mote+3nunchuk+1classic=$450+tax this is how much it cost to have four wii-motes with nunchuk and one classic controller. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chumo (talk • contribs) 07:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * US price of classic controller. Chumo, please read this page: Tutorial. Jaxad0127 20:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

For people who play for people who use to play and for people who have yet to play
Nintendo is realy making the point that the wii is for non-gamers and gamers alike. That the whole family will play wii just like say a boardgame. But the system only comes with one controller. How the hell do they exspect a family of 3-4 ppl to play if the system only comes with one controller. It cost $460.00 to get a wii and 3 exstra controllers for the whole family. Some may argue that its still less than xbox360 or ps3 with four controllers well you don't see sony or microsft saying its for the whole family thats not one of there slogins. Plus if you want to play snes or n64 you have to spend another 20 bucks plus 5-10 for the games. when a ps3-xbox360 game cost 5 bucks. but all with reason you have to pay for xboxlive but if sony sells arcade games for 5 bucks then you should make a point that the vituel console games may be to much for every family and you should defintly say that if nintendo exspects a whole family to play the family will have to pay $460. --Chumo 17:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If there's a suggestion for the article in this comment, I don't see it. --Maxamegalon2000 19:24, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Similarity failer
Look at this it is made by nintendo for nes and it has a lot in common with wii mote its called power glove --Chumo 17:54, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know why you add new headings in the middle of the page like that. It's not really good form to use headers for anything other than sectioning off new discussion topics, or sub-sections for special circmstances like straw polls and the like. If it is indeed a new discussion topic, it goes at the bottom of the page. If it is merely a new comment for an existing topic, you don't use headings for that. Dancter 18:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Chumo, the article's talk page is supposed to be used for talking about the article, not as a soap box. Please kindly cut it out. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 20:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say he's trolling, trying to make us put in the article some sort of biased criticism. Summed up, he may be saying "Because the controller includes a speaker, rumble, tilt sensor, and memory, it has higher costs than other controllers, and therefore is teh suxxorz because the IGn said that everoone multiplayer needs 8 controllers to play and it's ;ike poewr glove which floppedso thas will too.--Signor 02:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree as well and I don't think that Chumo is doing a good job at it. First, the powe glove was not even created by Nintendo. (it was created my Mattel) Second, it came out in 1989. --70.48.109.213 18:33, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I love wii, just saying nintendo should include 2 controllers and that the power glove was a failer and it had motion sencing it didn't fail for motion sencing it failed for finger cramps. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Chumo (talk • contribs)
 * Then what's similiar? You said that the power glove was a "similiar failer", and now you're backpedelling and saying that it's similiar but failed for different reasons. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 22:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Chumo, c'mon, find a gaming website and debate there, not here, this conversation is not helping the article, it is however making you look biased.--Signor 00:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Proposal
Remove s''ections of talk page critic-similarity failure. Sections'' do not concern the article in any way, each section is the same thing written by the same author. Is spreading this talk to other Wii-related discussion pages with the same intent, POV, no basis in facts.--Signor 04:52, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Wii Shop Channel info added
I've just added information on the Wii Shop Channel.

80.229.240.36 18:44, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Image:Wii E3 2006 (front left angle).jpg
I added this image because it showed the left side of the console, and was a higher-resolution image, which allowed details such as the buttons, slot, and flap to be more closely examined. That it is very similar to the image in the infobox didn't seem like a big deal, as they are both freely licensed, and I figured adding it as a second image was less controversial than replacing the current infobox image, which I assumed many would argue to keep there as more "dramatic". I think the image should be put back. Dancter 19:07, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Just put it back, that image from that angle is not very common too. FullMetal Falcon 19:21, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

What happened to the image of the black Wii showing the GameCube ports under the flap?Drahmad 03:02, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Launch games
What are the sources for the 4 launch games that were added in the last 12 hours? I will remove them until someone provides a source from Nintendo or the publishers. TJ Spyke 20:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Sections
I was just reading through the article and realised that there were two sections on the Wii Browser; one in connectivity and one in the Wii Channels section. The article would probably look better with only one section (and perhaps a link in the one it's removed from. And as a side note the Wii Channels is an important section so perhaps it should be moved above the Connectivity section which is slightly less of interest to people. 210.11.82.26 01:15, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

The Wii Channels section now has a page of its own, so it's due for a drastic slim down anyway. If the Wii Broswer can be discussed in another section with equal ease, then I believe it should be done there. Charles M. Reed 01:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Release Date & Price Table
I've made a table with the release date and price for the Wii in it's various regions. It is simpler and easier to read than the previous one. If I've forgotten or omitted anything feel free to add it back in. I've put a copy of it below for reference too;ItIsMe 02:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

* ''Wii Sports comes packaged with the console in all regions excluding Japan.
 * The Wii comes out in Mexico on November 19th as well. I don't think they said the price for Mexico though.TJ Spyke 02:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've edited the table accordingly. ItIsMe 02:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

old or new table?
wikipedian ItIsMe changed the price table on the article. i reverted it because not only was alot of infomation was removed, the old table looked better and fitted better into the article. What do you think? dposse 02:19, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Although I am the person who made the new table (so don't flame me for liking it better) the point of making it was to have a simpler table, without information that has already been stated in the article and to have a slightly larger font and flag images to make it more user-friendly. If anything has been omitted (which would not have been done on purpose) than feel free to add it back in.ItIsMe 02:25, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Although the accessory prices have already been placed in the article I have updated the new table with them. I've placed it below;ItIsMe 04:08, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

* ''Wii Sports comes packaged with the console in all regions excluding Japan.
 * I like it, I would recommend listing them in the order they release date(meaning US/Can/Mex first, then Japan, etc.) TJ Spyke 04:21, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've rearranged the table as you recommended but I'll leave the original one in the talk section (just above). ItIsMe 04:34, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * For the sake of accuracy I think we need to either a) change the title of the table to remove the "sugggested" part, or b) somehow identify the European and UK prices as "estimated" rather than "suggested". "Estimated" is Nintendo's description of them here because in many territories setting or suggesting a resale price is not permitted. Dpmarshall 10:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Some of the prices already include VAT/Sales Tax, some don't include it. This renders the USD comparison highly misleading. Shouldn't sales taxes and VAT be excluded from the USD equivalent prices? Dpmarshall 11:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I understand your reason for creating. However, i disagree with making it simpler. Sure, the infomation is in the article already, but the table gives a clear summary of what each region has or does not have. I really think that the old table works much better in this article. Will you please consider changing it back? dposse 14:09, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I have tried to remove the sales taxes from those prices that already include them twice now. And each time it has been reverted. As some of the listed prices don't include sales taxes but will have it added at the checkout, the USD equivalent column of this table is very misleading. For the sake of consistency, either include them in all USD equivalent prices (difficult in the US), or exclude them in all USD equivalent prices (very easy). Can we reach a consesus on this in order to render it a fair comparison across territories? Dpmarshall 20:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It doesn't help that they aren't explaining why they're reverting your changes. I for one am in favor of clarifying the issue of pre-factored taxes, but more should probably be done to show what exactly is being done to the prices. Perhaps it may be a good compromise to keep the direct conversion, but add parenthetical notes to indicate the included taxes, like what is currently shown in comments. Just a thought. Dancter 22:17, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your suggestion Dancter - it sounds like a good way forward. I'll add them in paretheses with an appropriate footnote. Dpmarshall 17:55, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

What does the {} beside the price for Republic of Ireland refer to? €266{} I can't see any legend for this {} and it wasn't there previously? 58.28.150.139 05:59, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Is there a reason behind including the "USD Equivalent" on every line? Just curious, to me it doesn't seem neccesary. Danny 17:57, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I suppose it's just to give an even comparison of what people are paying in various places. Nintendo probably bases a lot of their decisions around the USD.  You could just as well use British pounds, I supposed.  If you want to make it neutral, I supposed you could do ounces of gold.  That'll go over well! MrVoluntarist 18:46, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The USD is the most common currency, many countries accept it and many use it as a base of comparison. TJ Spyke 20:44, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, most of us in non-US territories are comparing our regional pricing with that of the US to determine what additional cost we are paying for having the machine brought into our countries. Drahmad 02:54, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

How many countries should be represented on this table? Every country in the world? The table appears "over-full" at the moment. Suggestions? Drahmad 07:18, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Yes Every Country should be included, who is and is not important is not for us to decide and The Euro is used by the most people and countries (dont forget about the prospective countries...)Owwmykneecap 22:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Wii Channel Menu Picture
Could someone skilled with photoshop remove the labels from the Wii channel menu picture so that the picture is only of the Wii channel menu. The way it is now it has to be too large to be properly visibleTuesday42 02:35, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Why not just put in on the Wii Channel page, which is honestly where in-depth discussion of that feature should be. This page lack precision as is, and I'm afraid that another image may not be what the image needs at the moment. But of course, this is Wikipedia so I'm not going to touch it without some sort of feedback.

Somebody else already did. The main article needs it, of course, but I think that the section here needs one general image and not 3 specific pictures.Tuesday42 03:18, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Wii Channels. Placed in Features?
I'm planning on moving the Wii Channels section into the Features section as these channels are key 'features' of the system. ItIsMe 04:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Comment in the Name section
A sentence in the name section states "Another reason (or rumor) that it was to be called Wii was because small children would not be able to pronounce Revolution. This is commonly thought to be true by the gaming audience, but proof has yet to be seen." I've never heard this before and there is no link to verify it. It could be a subtle form of vandalism. Anyway I'll leave it there until someone works it out. ItIsMe 04:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I already removed it. It sounded like something someone made up, and figured they could get it in fi they claimed that other people thought it too. --Maxamegalon2000 04:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Shrinking the Channels section
I'm planning on shrinking the channel section so it merely has a list of different channels that can be used. If people want to see a description of each channel they would have to go to the Wii Channels page (which I'll include a link for). If anyone disagrees to this being done please state so. ItIsMe 09:16, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I've placed a simplified version of it below;


 * ===Wii Channels===
 * The operating system interface for Wii is designed around the concept of television channels, with a Wii Menu used to access them. Separate channels are graphically displayed in a grid, and are navigated using the pointer capability of the Wii Remote
 * The operating system interface for Wii is designed around the concept of television channels, with a Wii Menu used to access them. Separate channels are graphically displayed in a grid, and are navigated using the pointer capability of the Wii Remote

The grid is completely customizable and users can place links to different channels or virtual console games in the menu's 48 slots.
 * Channels can be used to select saved games, view news and weather forecasts and to access the internet, among other things. A list of channels is below.


 * Disc Channel
 * Mii Channel
 * News Channel
 * Forecast Channel
 * Photo Channel
 * Internet Channel
 * Message Board
 * Wii Shop Channel
 * Virtual Console Channel


 * For details on each individual channel see Wii Channels.

I won't upload it just yet incase anyone has any problems with it. ItIsMe 09:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

I was thinking the same idea as I read the article. I recommend it be put in soon. OriginalPiMan 09:04, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Add a site
I think we should add the site "play-nintendo.com" to the list of "unoffical sites" on the Wii page. It has the first list of VC launch titles. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.224.215.9 (talk • contribs)
 * I've seen that list, it's not confirmed. The only confirmed VC launch games are the ones mentioned by Reggie a few days ago(Donkey Kong, The Legend of Zelda, Super Mario World, Super Mario 64).

New site
I think we should add http://brokencontrollers.com/ to the unoffical coverage section, they always have up todate news on the Nintendo Wii. PeeeU 04:05, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, I go there every day to stay up-to-date on the latest video gaming news, not to mention they have awesome forums, too. Chocoman 02:14, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * A new user just "happens" to agree with another new user that a completely unknown site should be added to the article? I don't think so... --Ritarri 15:05, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree. Just two brand new editors, no. Jaxad0127 16:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

A great site. Its my homepage and #1 source of Nintendo information. Plus, the forums are excellent. This site deserves at least a look. --TannerH 20:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That is another new user, he just created his account 10 minutes ago. TJ Spyke 20:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Can someone report them? Jaxad0127 01:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Suspected sock puppets? We could just, you know, ignore this blatent foolishness. -- Consumed Crustacean (talk) 01:57, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Let me ask you something. Did you guys even go to the website and see what they had to offfer? PeeeU 03:38, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have. The ten Wii news stories on the Wii News page are all links to or copies of content from other sites.  It really doesn't add anything. --Maxamegalon2000 03:42, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Alright you are right on that one, altough Thewiire.com does basicly the same thing and yet it is on the Unoffical Coverage section.

PeeeU 03:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That site is just like hundreds of others with Wii news. What makes it different? Jaxad0127 04:48, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Dude BrokenConrollers has everything, take it from me I work there. They have the latest Wii news.Teej11 23:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Uh...WP:VAIN. Jaxad0127 00:33, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Launch window games
Perhaps we should get rid of this section. All we really need are the launch games, and the section could get way too long if every game coming until between launch and March 2007 is added. TJ Spyke 04:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * See here for an archived discussion and here for a poll in the Xbox 360 article about which games to include in the hardware section, which can be used as precedent. -- ReyBrujo 04:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree, anyways in the Nintendo Power Issue 209, it gives a different list of the launch window titles.

The Ant Bully, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Barnyard, Blazing Angels: Squadrons of WWII, Call of Duty 3, Cars, Chicken Little: Ace in Action, Dragon Ball Z: Budokai Tenkaichi 2, Elebits, Excite Truck, Far Cry Vengeance, The Grim Adventures of Billy and Mandy, GT Pro Series, Happy Feet, Ice Age 2, The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Madden NFL 07, Marvel Ultimate Alliance, Metal Slug Anthology, Monster 4×4 World Circuit, Need for Speed: Carbon, Open Season, Rampage: Total Destruction, Rapala Tournament Fishing, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Red Steel, SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab, Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz, Tom Clancy’s Splinter Cell Double Agent, Tony Hawk’s Downhill Jam, Trauma Center: Second Opinion, Wii Sports and World Series of Poker.

Source: GoNintendo

So shouldn't we use this list? --70.48.222.193 03:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should just get rid of the "launch window" games list and just keep the launch games. Most people would come wanting to know what games are coming out at launch more than what's coming out 2 months after launch, that is what the List of Wii games is for. TJ Spyke 03:53, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of games, did you guys know that Nintendo will be holding a Nintendo Fusion Tour? To comemorate the Wii's launch. It's true. Starting on the 27th. The Nintendo Fusion Tour will be making stops in over 35 cities in the U.S. Fans will get to play some of the future titles that will release in Wii. Which punk-pop group; Hawthorne Heights will be headligning the tour. --Zeta26 21:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nintendo announced the tour several months ago. TJ Spyke 05:03, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Vote
Type Keep if you would like to keep this section. Type Remove if you would like to remove this section. Add a small comment on why if you would like.

Remove it is just pointless to have launch window games on the main page... list of popular franchises is way more important. If we re-add the popular franchise section I might be moved to keep this section as well. --DivineShadow218 20:44, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Remove It is pointless. The list will just keep growing. I think we should add a link to the list of Wii games page. Uturnaroun 14:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Remove This list could become ridiculously long. Just stick to the launch games. Master Strike 19:08, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Xavix
Can someone verify or see if Xavix game console influenced the Wii development or vice versa? Xavix is a legacy console with a lot of similarities. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.115.149.18 (talk • contribs)


 * Please don't start a new conversation in the middle (or begining) of another. And sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). Jaxad0127 16:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * And besides this is only for discussions on the Wii system. And nothing more. Zeta26 21:45, 19 September 2006 (UTC) ( ~ ).

Launch window
Can someone fix the launch window, by what i read there is only going to be 2 launch titles for europe. While i know for a fact most if not all North american games will get published in Europe.


 * You may have heard slightly wrong. There will only be 2 first party nintendo launch titles for europe (expected to be Zelda and Wii sports). This isn't really different than the USA or Japan launch. Its also possible the system will be delayed. Remember back to Gamecube release where they said 'a month after usa'. It was nearly 6 months until it actually arrived.

IGN Specs List
IGN has posted a set of specifications here: http://wii.ign.com/articles/733/733464p1.html However they offer no source for these, and there has still been no official word on the matter from nintendo. Furthermore, both the CPU clock speed listed, and the graphics card clockspeed would seem to have derived by simply multiplying the gekko and flipper clockspeeds times 1.5. Considering the lack of reply from nintendo, and the rather simplistic operation used to arrive at the new clockspeeds I've removed them from the article till there is an official statement from nintendo on the subject. 64.6.0.220 19:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Tech specs
Places like USA Today are reporting the specs, see, so should these also be on the wikipedia article? Everyone appears to agree on the 729mhz, for example.--Oscarthecat 19:19, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Except they too offer no nintendo source for the numbers, and the article is old. I've seen 1.1GHz and 970MHz just as much as 729MHz. 729MHz seems to be more common than the others because it is the most easy to latch onto for fans of the xbox360 since in their view it makes the console slower than the original xbox. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.6.0.220 (talk • contribs)
 * I wont go into a full description here but even at 729MHz it isn't "slower" then the XBox even if the MHz is less. It is a PowerPC chip by IBM versus an Intel based chip in the XBoxs and is therefore more efficent per MHz then the XBox.  Still slower then the 360 however.  These are the most widely accepted tech specs but nothing official has been stated by Nintendo or IBM.Sir hugo 19:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You know that, and I know that, however that seems to have been the primary use of the 729MHz figure. They seem to be the most widely accepted numbers for the reason that they paint the hardware in the worst light. Till Nintendo or IBM say something, I think its best to simply leave them out as they're purely speculation. 64.6.0.220 19:48, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Good, I'm sick of hearing not as good as xbox from the dumdums at GS.--Signor 22:40, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Sentence about name controversy
I added this to the name section: "The name Wii was initially rejected by many fans who thought, among other things, that Nintendo had ruined their chance at attracting a more adult market with a childish name. However, the name seemed to grow on most people over time." I feel it is necessary to say how the name was reacted to at first, as it was a very notable amount of hatred that it caused. I have not mentioned urine in this sentence as per the note at the top of the section, and because I too feel that would downgrade the article's credibility. I think this passage should be kept, as it is informative without being crude. U-Mos 20:59, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I am still on the fence about whether a reaction that lasted no more then a few weeks until E3 should really have a mention unless it affects sales. Atleast not without a source anyway.  If you get a source article for this then it might be worthy.Sir hugo 21:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think people were just surprised by the name. I deleted it for now because it uses weasel words. "rejected by many fans"? How many is many? Who are they? No sources as well. TJ Spyke 21:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "However, the name seemed to grow on most people over time." <- that one is going to have to go at least. That's too subjective and difficult to verify.  It certainly hasn't grown on anyone I've talked to. MrVoluntarist 21:55, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Although my bothersome littles sisters and brother are perfectly fine with talking about it without giggling or the likes. That's just my family, again subjective. However U-mos, I like the thinking your doing, but it's just too, uhh, not wikipedian. The adult market too has been noticing nintendo, but that depends on what adult market...it's all really complicated, but I like it better than Wii=Piss.--Signor 22:31, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, at least someone's taking the initiative to state that there was a reaction to the name. I do agree we need some sources, places which clearly state that some people didn't like it, and reasons for the dislike. Then maybe we can throw the old "STFU n00b" at these people who keep whining "no sources, I disagree, that never happened". --Twile 16:46, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well then fricken' put it in Twile, you're the one who's been arguing about it haven't you? Yes. You've got the forbes link. Put it in and we can put a big bold STFU at the top for whoever wants to come in saying there should be a pee reference (or name). C'mon, nearly everyone know that immediate reaction to the name was negative, so then acknowledge it.--Signor 04:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I added a paragraph in. Not very good, but it's a start, I figure other people can help polish it up. I mentioned that people made fun of its phonetic similarities to words in English and French instead of some dorky urine wiki-link. If anyone has any problems with this, here's the place to put it. --Twile 23:56, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know how many of these sources pass the RS check, but it's certainly a start:


 * CNet News
 * CNN Money.com
 * Engadget
 * Forbes
 * Gamasutra - quotes various developers
 * Gamespot - quotes various analysts
 * GameSpy editors' opinions
 * IGN article and IGN interview
 * Joystiq - several bad pun jokes
 * --Stratadrake 12:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you; the paragraph which is there now is much better than mine. I see that it is a bit hard to put that it grew on most people with a source, but I do still feel that it should be mentioned that the name is much more accepted now. I'm not trying to put personal opinions into Wikipedia (in fact, I still hate the name), but in my experience people in general get on with it much better now than in April when it was first announced. U-Mos 13:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but if you can't put it with a source, then it doesn't really have a place here. Chris M. 16:18, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I too feel like it's generally more accepted. I had a theory above about how I bet a bunch of people probably just don't complain about it any more because they're already making the system and they know Nintendo won't change it now. Obviously my theory can't go in the article. However, if we can find information or articles to indicate it is generally more accepted now (or at least not complained about as much), then I'd definitely see those going in. As important as it is to establish that people complained a lot at first, it's equally important to say they don't do it as much now. Of course, this all needs sources, so for now I'm not putting anything else in. --Twile 02:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

New Site - www.n-sider.com?
I've been following the Wii for a while now, and just wanted to let you guys know that N-Sider.com has a Wii FAQ that looks bigger and more detailed than IGN's similar FAQ. They even have a price calculator included. Should it be added as "unofficial coverage", considering the site seems legit and contains many updates that aren't just news rehashes like contests? It's the only Nintendo news site I visit other than IGN's channels. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.12.188.138 (talk • contribs)

Colombia price?
I am ignorant of the Colombian currency exchange rate, but I think someone added this for vandalization purposes:

Colombia COP$1,100,000[citation needed]  $460 ($395†)

They say that's what the Wii will cost in Colombia. I highly doubt that it costs that much, so shouldn't this be removed?
 * http://www.google.com/search?&q=1100000+colombian+pesos+in+us+dollars 157.253.22.14 20:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I am too, that's ridiculously high, I doubt even the PS3 premium is that high in Colombia.--Signor 03:08, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You doubt the PS3 will cost the USD equivalent of $460 in Columbia? I don't know if the Wii price is correct, but I doubt even the gimped PS3 would be that cheap. TJ Spyke 03:10, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems that was added at this time:, and because he did not cite his source, I say that we remove it, however the IP address 157.253.22.14 is an address from within Santaf De Bogot, Distrito Capital, Colombia http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=157.253.22.14 so I doubt a person from colombia would vandalization about the pricing for his/her country, or would he/she? Logan GBA 14:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Vandals are weird. Maybe the person added this specific information because he or she figured it was more likely to be believed.  Of course, maybe it's right too.  Shrug. --Maxamegalon2000 16:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * ACTUALLY that is the REAL price of Wii at Nintendo Official Store in Bogotá. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 200.118.25.146 (talk • contribs) 18:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Iwata interview
This interview of Nintendo Engineers by Satoru Iwata might be a useful reference for this article. 82.93.70.118 18:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Dolby Pro Logic II
Source: http://www.wiivolve.com/fullNews.php?newsId=20

Full article: Today Dolby Laboratories have announced that the Wii will use Dolby Pro Logic II technology to offer gamers an immersive surround sound experience. This basically means that you wont have full 5.1 Dolby Surround when playing Metroid Prime 3.

“The Wii console will break down the walls that separate gamers from everyone else” said Koji Kondo, Manager, Sound Group, Entertainment Analysis and Development Division at Nintendo “Sound is a key part of this equation and because Wii supports Dolby Pro Logic II surround sound technology, we think everyone can have a great audio experience.”

“Dolby Pro Logic II technology ensures that the Wii console can offer rich, immersive surround sound, which is essential to a great gaming experience,” said John Griffin, Marketing Director, Games, Dolby Laboratories. “We’re looking forward to hearing how great Nintendo’s games sound at launch.”

I think that this should be added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by WiiVolve (talk • contribs)
 * We've known for months it would use Pro Logic II, Dolby just announced this today. Also, using your own site for sources? Tsk. TJ Spyke 21:53, 23 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I changed the link to point to the release posted at the Dolby website. There's no need to use a secondary source for the exact same content. Dancter 22:01, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought it was a conflicy of interest anyways, the guy used his own site for the link. TJ Spyke 22:03, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

I wonder if Prologic II was chosen because of the slower CPU of the Wii compared to it's competitors, that way they can save all CPU resources for graphics and not worry too much about proccessing sound. Here what I found at the Dolby site :

"Dolby Pro Logic II also enables video game consoles to encode five-channel surround sound information into a stereo signal with virtually no impact on the console's CPU, which means all this extra audio won't slow your game down." http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/prologic_II.html —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.160.130.16 (talk • contribs) 23:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * This doesn't seem to pertain much to improving the article. Please refrain from using the talk page for idle chat. Dancter 23:44, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason I added the link is too show that the Wii may very well be able to offer full true 5.1 surround sound not just simulated 5.1 In other words, Prologic II decodes 5 independant surround sound channels(5.1) the game developers encoded in the Wii game. So, the begining statement about not being able to play Metroid Prime in full 5.1 may be flawed. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 144.160.130.16 (talk • contribs) 22:55, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I understand your reason for mentioning it, though the statement you're disputing was never actually added to the article, despite WiiVolve's request for it. All that has ever been in the article is a simple bullet point mentioning the Pro Logic II capability. That should be enough. Dancter 02:58, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Fan Made Websites
ok i know theres probably 1000+ wii fan websites but if you're australian then go to the australian wii fan-made website] because its really good ( even for a fan made website ) oh and put your list of fan made websites here Qwikjus69 23:39, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

wtf you're not supposed to advertise on here LightSpeed 23:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Bunched up Words
When talking about the name and the Amazon.com preorder glitch, why is it all messed up? Im fixing it right now Rollinman 04:19, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

£179 or £179.99?
Amazon UK give their price to be £179.99, and rarely do products come out here in the UK at £X9 exactly, it's more likely to be 179.99. Will (Glaciers melting in the dead of night) 03:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * There are bound to be variations in pricing, but I think it's best to stick with what comes from the manufacturer's camp, which in this case would be simply £179. Dancter 04:36, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, Nintendo "estimated" the price at £179 - but don't "recommend" a price in Europe (as that's not legal in many places). Nintendo's "estimate" is the closest thing we have to an official price. Dpmarshall 10:37, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Some idiot found it to be a fun idea to vandalise the page with a clever comment of "PS3 Rox! Wii sucks!". Can someone with access to original article erase this utterly perceptive and smart comment and revert it to the way it was please? - Russ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.54.243.250 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It's not hard. just go to the history section. Zazaban 04:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Russ, when you see vandalism even you can revert it. Either go to the history page at the top and review the changes that were made to ensure they didn't delete anything when adding their nonsense and then restore that section or the page to what it was before the vandalism making sure to not overwrite any new edits, or the simple way is to click the edit tab above the section and just remove the vandalism and then check the history to make sure they didnt delete anything that you need to add back in.  Also next time you talk on this page please sign your posts with   this will put your username/ip and the time+date of your post, this lets us know who left a message and when.  Thanks a bunch and welcome to Wikipedia. Sir hugo 12:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks Dancter for signing my comment since I seem to have forgotten it myself.Sir hugo 14:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Removed US Wii link
I have removed the first external link which was to the US Wii portal and left the international Wii portal as the first link. I think that is appropriate geographic NPOV. Garglebutt / (talk) 02:23, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I added it back in as it has different information and is still a valid link for general Wii information.Sir hugo 11:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Two Problems
I can find no sources or references relating to Australian controller prices. I will remove these now.

Also I think that the refences section can be consolidated and mostly sourced from sites in the sources list. I only wish I had the time to do that part.OriginalPiMan 09:49, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Since you were looking for sources for controller prices, have you come across any for the Canadian controller prices? I haven't had any luck. I asked the original contributor of the information for a source a while back, but nothing seems to have come of it. Dancter 14:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You shouldn't have removed them. The policy is if its not damaging to the article it should be tagged. Otherwise you should remove all the other pricing that is unverified including the Canadian controllers and the Ireland/Columbian pricing etc.


 * Sorry for not deleting the rest, or deleting the Aussie prices, whichever is worse. But when I looked again the prices back with new (still unsourced) information.
 * None the less, there is still no word from Nintendo Australia about official prices but I won't delete the new prices immediatly.OriginalPiMan 12:23, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

archive soon
This talk page needs to be archived soon. I don't know how to do it, but I do now you do not archive discussions that have had comments in the last week.Tuesday42 22:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Most likely it will be archived by someone come the first of the month anyway, I would hold off till then for now.Sir hugo 12:13, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Criticism section
Is, to be fair, rubbish. No sources for the critism of European price. Out of the three sources of critism for the graphics 1 of them heaps only praise on the console, and 1 of them barely mentions graphics (and is largely innacurate in the rest of the article). The last one is a barely comprehensible fan site. I'm not even sure that "graphics aren't as good as the others" is a valid critism anyway as this is the stated intention of the product. The price may be a valid critism and there are articles on gamespot which can be sited if needs be. Ajmayhew 15:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. The diff for the criticism removal is here.  Probably best to leave the criticism section removed for now, and wait for the product to actually be released.  Am sure there will be plenty of reviews/criticism/comparisons then. --Oscarthecat 20:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree after reading the Critisism section the claims seemed to be more fancruft than encyclopaedic I will continue to monitor any such additions until the product is released, wait until we hear what the consumers have to say. Dctcool 21:59, 29 September 2006 (AEST)

(originally wrote this seperatly as I didn't notice the above) Would certain people please stop removing the criticism section. It is utterly irrelevant that you think the Wii is the best thing since sliced bread, this is supposed to be a NPOV article and so the criticism section is needed- especially since the PS3 article also has this. Also could some of the decent members of the community please watch out for the Nintendo fanboys doing this and reinstate it when they hide it. __ Yes the section wasn't that good, I said as much when I made it. The point is though that it is there and it does need doing. Waiting until its released- maybe. However the PS3 article has a criticism section despite being further away from release then the Wii.--Josquius 16:56, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There can be a critisism section,as long as the statements are accuratly sourced. They weren't and thus, removed.  Find sources, than readd it, and it can be kept.-- A c1983fan(yell at me) 19:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

the Price has been critisied esp in uk and Ireland (we are a eurozone country you fucks, why charge us more)Owwmykneecap 22:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Everything costs more in the UK/Ireland. You can't include that because the PS3 and Xbox 360 cost more in the UK than in North America as well. TJ Spyke 22:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... this is a tricky one actually. Both sides are right I think, there are some criticisms that exist now and there are some which may surface or vanish after it launches. I'd say that we try to keep the criticisms minimal (even though I have a ton of them) because at this point it's mostly just speculation. Some things which might be criticised includ the price (being too much for the non-gaming community, especially as it lacks DVD playing abilities) and the graphics (given that HD might really take off during its life span). As with the name criticism I finally got added, this stuff will take a good bit of citations from reputable sources to establish that they are real concerns that the press and gaming circles have. I do think, however, that just as the article is allowed to contain information about all the theoretical boons of the system, it should be allowed to contain information about all the theoretical problems with the system. After all, NPOV! The price in Europe isn't something I'm going to comment on because I haven't really heard much about it... --Twile 00:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure the Graphics critisism would now be irrelivent from the new screenshots of Red Steel, the graphics in those shots bring it up almost to 360 standards, you can see these screens in their official blog, [], remember the console is still in early stages so later on graphics are bound to improve, and you cannot place critisism on the Price when you look at the Playstation 3's pricetag

That however is irrelevant. Its not about what you think its that criticisms do exist. Logically one of two things must happen here, either:
 * The Wii is allowed a criticism section
 * The PS3 isn't allowed a criticism section
 * The allowence of a critisism is not the case and is pure fanboyish, what is the case is keeping the facts in sources in order, the sources provided so for provide no hard evidence, we're not picking on the PS3 but unless solid sources emerge of a professional analyst or critic directly critisising the Wii's features the Critisism section will stay out.Dctcool 09:12, 01 October 2006 (AEST)

Both are in the same stage of not being released so the arguments about whether there should or shouldn't be a section should mutally apply to both. Hell the PS3 is even further from release then the Wii. Sources: I did have sources. Hard to find since I get my computer game press from the real world not the internet but I foudn them.--Josquius 11:10, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There are some valid critcisms for the PS3: the delays and the high price (both partially caused by the Blu ray feature.) The Wii, however, has the somewhat inferior graphics and the initial reaction to the name. The latter is (or should be) in the name section, and the former isn't enough to base a criticism section on. The european pricing doesn't seem to me to be worth mentioning, particularly because it was unsourced. Once it is released, there will be either a criticism section or a reception section. I prefer the reception section, you can include positive and negative reactions in the same section. Tuesday42 14:36, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Updated tech specs
These tech specs are missing from the Wikipedia Nintendo Wii entry:

729 MHz IBM PowerPC "Broadway" CPU 243 MHz ATI "Hollywood" GPU 24MBs "main" 1T-SRAM 64MBs other 1T-SRAM 3MBs texture memory on GPU Built-in 802.11b/g Wi-Fi capability

source: IGN.com (http://wii.ign.com/articles/733/733464p1.html)

-R 72.43.142.220 21:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

too much Vandalism, Please block Anons from editing
Wii (pronounced as the word "we", IPA: /wiː/) is Nintendo's seventh-generation video game console. Its official project code name was Penis machine.

^^ Well i guess it proves my point. Dont worry i fixed it.

But i suggest we put this article back on Editing Protection from new users and Anonymous users. Toasty!&#124;Available at your local store 23:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Breaking news: No more game-specific friend codes!
Due to the negative reception of the Nintendo DS' online multiplayer system, Nintendo Europe has announced that the   Wii will no longer use game-specific friend codes! :) --TBC TaLk?!?  19:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There are still friend codes, just to systems and not games. Also, I think a more reliable source should be used than this site. TJ Spyke 20:47, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think they're talking about the latest installment of the Iwata Asks series (http://wii.nintendo.com/iwata_asks_vol3_p3.html), but are oversimplifying things, and are somewhat misleading about the details. Dancter 20:54, 30 September 2006 (UTC)