Talk:Wii/Archive 26

Wii Damage
There is a website which specialises in the numerous damages to property caused by the use of the Wii. While comical, does this deserve a mention? Eedo Bee 07:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really, for a few reasons.
 * It's basically a ripoff of wii-have-a-problem. (or is it a rename? I can't say I followed the previous site much)
 * The fact that someone created a website isn't notable in and of itself. If several news agencies were to cover the website, then maybe.
 * The strap breakages(primary scapegoat, along with plain'ol human stupidity) are already covered. This doesn't really add much new.
 * It hasn't been updated in months (about six months). What little relevance it may have had, it lacks now.
 * A single-purpose site or organization can't ever be considered neutral. It'd be like linking to Xbox360-sucks.com. Not terribly neutral or reliable.
 * We don't cover other acts of stupidity in most other articles. (I don't think I know a single person who's used 3-ring binders but has never closed one on their fingers. Most people who use tools regularly have smacked their thumbs with a hammer at least once. Most people who played Animal Crossing on the original DS accidentally hit the power button instead of the start button at least once and lost their progress. What do these three things have in common? None are mentioned in their respective articles.) Oh, and, yes, I've been stupid enough to do all three of those, but I still don't feel compelled to add them to the articles.
 * It's still an interesting link though. If you can find some good news sources covering it (and, preferably, if the site starts back up again), then it can be reconsidered. Bladestorm 09:04, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Haha, that's awesome. But, yeah, it might not be considered notable or neutral.  Useight 22:25, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * And besides, it's people being stupid. It'd be like linking to a ton of youtube.com videos. LN3000 23:18, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Adding a Tech Support site for Wii
Hi, I also had a problem with my Wii, and I found a pretty good Tech Support site for Consumer Electronics that have a section for the Wii Console I believe it will be a good idea to add it to the external links. I have no permission to edit this thread so I would appreciate if someone will add it for me. Here is the page for the Wii Technical Support & Troubleshooting page. Let me know what you think. JerryGold 11:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Why no warning on SD card?
Pardon me for asking but why did not anyone write on the Wii article a warning that you do not actually need to buy an SD card to save your gamesaves on Wii. The salesperson assures me that I need an SD card because It is the equivalent of Nintendo GameCube memory cards (for Wii). But it turns out that I wasted my money buying it as I can perfectly save my gavesaves without the SD card. 220.239.112.241 07:59, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The article already says that the Wii has built in memory for game saves. Besides, you didn't waste your money since you can still use the SD card. TJ Spyke 08:29, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

'''The article already says that the Wii has built in memory for game saves. '''

Where? Where in the article does it says that?

I put it to you that the article DOES NOT SAY THAT.

Come on, type the section where it says that, in black and white for me.

220.239.112.241 17:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

"Storage: --Maxamegalon2000 02:17, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 512 MiB built-in NAND flash memory
 * Expansion available via SD card memory (up to 2 gigabytes)"


 * WP:NOT...a shopping guide. You can still use the SD card anyway, so at least you didn't waste your money -- L augh! 05:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Look at what you typed. All it says is "512 MiB built-in NAND flash memory" . where does it say that it is used for saving wii game states. All it says is that this equipment has X amount of memory of type Y. Does NOT say what it is used for. 220.239.112.241 7:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * What in the world do you think built in Flash Memory is going to be used for? Don't be stupid. Like we've said, there is NO REASON that we should detract from the article to protect consumers (not our job), NOR is there ANY reason why we should feel sorry for you not knowing this. Honestly, if it's that big of a deal, go back to wherever you bought it and complain to the manager. -- L augh! 09:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, it does say what it's for: "Storage", the same category that lists the SD cards and the Nintendo GameCube cards. --Maxamegalon2000


 * All that is true, but at the same time, buying an SD card isn't a waste, because as more games come out, plus a regular purchase of virtual console games can eventually lead to the use of an SD card, something I need to consider buying sometime soon. C. Pineda 02:06, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Invalid references
The following references are invalid:
 * #6 http://www.gamecriticsawards.com/win.html is 404.
 * #8 http://www.consolewatcher.com/2006/05/nintedo-revolution-renamed-to-nintendo-wii/ is 404.

This is not a good reflection of a featured article, and is just the first two links that I checked. I highly expect there are others. Bilge [ TC] 22:03, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They must have went dead recently because all the refs worked when it became a featured article back in April. TJ Spyke 22:09, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Italicization of channel names
If game titles are supposed to be written in italics, shouldn't channel names like the "Everybody Votes Channel" and "Internet Channel" be italicized too? It's not like they are menu features like the the "Message Board" or "Address Book"-- they're their own separate channels. After all, "Wii channels" are all just software applications. Since "Internet Channel" is merely the web browsing software's title, shouldn't it be italicized the same way as a Virtual Console game's title would? --24.154.105.181 15:45, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * They can still be considered extensions of the WiiConnect24 service, rather than stand-alone software. Just64helpin 15:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd hardly call them just extensions of WiiConnect24, they're definitely their own separate programs that just use WiiConnect24. They're no more extensions than games like Elebits that use it. Wii Channels are software, and software titles should be italicized. Besides, what about the channels that aren't online enabled? They certainly aren't extensions of it. --75.24.29.211 14:28, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The channels are part of the Wii Menu. Channels in general are not capitalized. BTW, please use the "Edit summary" form to describe your changes, e.g. "reply". Just64helpin 14:45, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Just because they're on the Wii Menu doesn't mean they're part of the Wii Menu. Things like "Wii Settings" and the bulletin messages are part of the menu, channels are merely on the Wii Menu. Classifying them as part of the Wii Menu is like calling the applications on your Windows Desktop as part of your Desktop-- they're separate programs that are just located on the Desktop, not part of the Desktop itself. Channels are just what the Wii's operating system calls its software, and all software have titles-- and all titles should be in italics.--75.24.29.211 15:03, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Important page
This article now has more revisions than the Adolf Hitler page, so (on top of being a featured article) I'd just like to congratulate you all and keep up the good work ^_^ At this pace the Wii article will have more revisions than the Jesus page! JayKeaton 17:33, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

SD Card up to 2 GB?
It says the storage is expandable via an SD card (up to 2 GB). Is this a hardware limitation or is this simply because the Wii-branded SD cards max out at 2 GB? Third party SD cards work in the Wii just as well as the branded ones, so if there is no hardware limitation, theoretically you could pop a 4GB+ card in and it should still work. Does anyone know where to verify this info so it can be appropriately updated? Danny 22:09, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * We'll have to wait for someone better acquainted with the precise limitations to be certain, but I really do believe it's a 2 gig limitation. The wii isn't the first place I've seen this limit stated. Of course, considering the fact that the SD slot is almost useless, it's somewhat of a moot point anyways. :) Bladestorm 22:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * See SDHC -- L augh! 13:10, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I assume you meant this. Just64helpin 13:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Alas, the Wii is not compatable with SDHC, so the largest memory size will always be 2 gb. ffm ✎ talk  14:53, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * um, ok, Bladestorm, the SD slot is NOT useless, it's capible of transferring photos to the Wii, and holding game data and virtual console/wii channels when more become available. C. Pineda 01:46, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Wii Remote limits
The article states that up to four Remotes can be connected, but it doesn't have any details on Remotes being synced to the console. Say your friend has four Remotes and you bring yours over to transfer Miis or something, can you sync a fifth Remote but just have four connected at any one time? Unless I missed it, this doesn't seem to be addressed in the article. Danny 22:36, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not sure it's in the article or not, but from my experience (both me and my roommate have Wii's), it seems that more than four controllers can be synced at a time, you just can't use more than that at once. But I never did any formal testing, but now that you mention it, I should check into that. Useight 20:03, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Wii Balance Board
Someone has placed a tag for possible merge with this article (without starting a discussion themselves). What do people say to a merger?


 * Oppose it is a controller much like the Wii Remote which has its own article and will expand as more information comes available. The Wii article is also very long as it is. SenorKristobbal 00:09, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose Though, as odd as it sounds, I think it might be worth merging it with the Wii Fit article. Bladestorm 00:14, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose I have a few things on my mind. For the time being, the page is only about one day old now. Maybe we should wait to see if the Wii Balance Board is something significant that deserves its own page, otherwise maybe Wii Balance Board should mirror to the main Wii article or to Wii Fit. Also, concerning precedent (though I'm sure that statement can go both ways), if the Wii Remote has its own page, the Wii Balance Board could as well. Or rather be separate from the main Wii article. Or maybe if an abundance of interface peripherals are released, perhaps a separate page containing all smaller articles on minor peripherals should be created. --Trakon 00:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose If other controllers get their own page, I see no reason why this shouldn't, either. While it could be merged with the Wii Fit article, Nintendo seems to plan to use it with other games, so putting it only in one article wouldn't make much sense. Nin10dude 01:06, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose for now, let's give the article a little more time to develop as more info is released. Useight 02:24, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose merging to this page. For now, merge to Wii Fit. If/when other games get announced to use this (like Nintendo hinted at, but didn't confirm), merge the info into a general Wii peripherals article (along with things like the Ubisoft controller, the Wii Wheel, the Guitar Hero controller, the Boogie mic, the DDR mat, etc.). Lrrr IV 06:10, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose The Wii balance board is a stand alone (no pun intended) tool that really needs its own article and certainly there will be much press coverage about it, both from gaming media and mainstream media. The Wii article should mention it briefly and cover the basics like what it fundamentally does and what it is used for, and should link to to the Wii Balance Board page. There will be (and already is) huge coverage on it, so it seems pointless to merge it with anything, it will just result in a mess JayKeaton 16:46, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Wii Remote has it's own article. It makes most common sense that Wii Balance Board has it's own, as it is a controller for the Wii in it's own right compared to the Wii Remote. LN3000 23:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oppose for above reasons. :) カ  ラ  ム  20:34, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose I agree with Bladestorm, actually. It would spread out the Wii Fit article, anyway. But if others are against that idea, then we should keep it separate from the other articles. ; ) Hardcore gamer 48 11:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose - it appears to be a distinct controller for the Wii, not just an add-on for the Wii Remote (which has its own article). I wouldn't oppose a merger with Wii Fit, the Balance Board could always be split into its own article again once more games use it - for now the controller and the software seem to be companions. EvilRedEye 13:20, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge to Wii Fit as the only game which uses it at all. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:23, 15 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Oppose - It is its own controller and it would be ludicrous to think it's only going to be used with Wii Fit. --Mystalic 15:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't use crystal balls to determine notability. As it stands, it has no purpose out of Wii Fit - its notability is exclusive to Wii Fit. - A Link to the Past (talk) 18:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

No DVD Wii in North America?
So far, it's only been reported by Kotaku, which isn't generally the most reliable of sources (especially when it comes to reporting anonymous, insider, or second-hand information), but I can't imagine misreporting a quotation from a direct interview. Thoughts? Dancter 01:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What interview are you talking about? Do you have a source? Also, if it was true then i'm sure other more reliable sites would mention it since that would be big news. Lrrr IV 01:44, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Which is why I hadn't added it. I thought it'd be worth mentioning, just to give a heads-up. http://kotaku.com/gaming/giant-reggie-face/why-xbox-360-vids-suck-277556.php Dancter 01:48, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, all that quote says is that the Wii won't have downloadable video content (like how the Xbox Marketplace allows you to download movies and TV shows). I don't even see any mention of the DVD enabled Wii. Lrrr IV 01:51, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm getting a cached version that has since been modified, the information should be further down the article, right before the "read more" links. Dancter 02:30, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I would wait for a reliable source to say something before thinking about adding this to the article.  Leebo  T / C  02:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Want a reliable source? Nintendo Power stated a LONG time ago, that the Wii is going to have an attachable DVD player (via USB) that will be sold for about $20 USD. C. Pineda 01:48, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That information is out of date. Nintendo revealed ten months ago that it scrapped that plan. Dancter 02:09, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm, I do admit I read that over a year ago, but I did not know they scraped it, well thanks Dancter for giving me that information. C. Pineda 01:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The article still has a setence or two about the DVD player features, so is that entirely not true at this point? Sincerely, --  Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles  Tally-ho! 00:25, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't bet on Nintendo releasing a DVD-playing Wii in the US at least. They haven't even released different-colored Wiis yet! It could end up being something like the Panasonic Q was to the Nintendo GameCube, only released in Japan. Nintenboy01 01:20, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Wording the sentence
"Nintendo states that its console targets a broader demographic than that of Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3,[4] but it competes with both as part of the seventh generation of gaming systems."

I have no problem with the sentence as a whole; however, using the word "but" implies a negative conotation. Wikipedia is meant to be a well-written, unbias resource when informational. Although it is not a problem to question the status as a seventh generation gaming system due to its lack of graphics, the introduction is not the place to do it. According to Wikipedia, articles are to be "well written, comprehensive, factually accurate, neutral and stable." The definition of "but" is as follows:

1. on the contrary; yet: My brother went, but I did not. 2. except; save: She was so overcome with grief she could do nothing but weep. 3. unless; if not; except that (fol. by a clause, often with that expressed): Nothing would do but that I should come in. 4. without the circumstance that: It never rains but it pours. 5. otherwise than: There is no hope but by prayer. 6. that (used esp. after doubt, deny, etc., with a negative): I don't doubt but he will do it. 7. who not; that not: No leaders worthy of the name ever existed but they were optimists. 8. (used as an intensifier to introduce an exclamatory expression): But she's beautiful! 9. Informal. than: It no sooner started raining but it stopped.

I have italicized the only definition that can possibly fit the definition of "but" in this instance. There is no need for it to be defined as "on the contrary" because contrary is defined as "opposite in nature and character." In which case, the sentence does not make sense at all because the first half does NOT deserving of being a seventh generation of gaming system, instead it simply states that it targets a "broader demographic." As such, the sentence deserves the word "and" which is defined as follows:

''1. (used to connect grammatically coordinate words, phrases, or clauses) along or together with; as well as; in addition to; besides; also; moreover: pens and pencils. '' 2. added to; plus: 2 and 2 are 4. 3. then: He read for an hour and went to bed. 4. also, at the same time: to sleep and dream. 5. then again; repeatedly: He coughed and coughed. 6. (used to imply different qualities in things having the same name): There are bargains and bargains, so watch out. 7. (used to introduce a sentence, implying continuation) also; then: And then it happened. 8. Informal. to (used between two finite verbs): Try and do it. Call and see if she's home yet. 9. (used to introduce a consequence or conditional result): He felt sick and decided to lie down for a while. Say one more word about it and I'll scream. 10. but; on the contrary: He tried to run five miles and couldn't. They said they were about to leave and then stayed for two more hours. 11. (used to connect alternatives): He felt that he was being forced to choose between his career and his family. 12. (used to introduce a comment on the preceding clause): They don't like each other—and with good reason. 13. Archaic. if: and you please. Compare an2. –noun 14. an added condition, stipulation, detail, or particular: He accepted the job, no ands or buts about it.

I have italicized the definition in which "and" is filling in this instance. In my honest opinion, the two sentences don't deserve to be linked at all, instead they deserve to become seperate sentences entirely since the two points made are unrelated; however, in the interest of maintaining the sentence as close to its original form as possible "and" is the proper term to use in the sentence.

As such the sentence should read as follows: "Nintendo states that its console targets a broader demographic than that of Microsoft's Xbox 360 and Sony's PlayStation 3,[4] and it competes with both as part of the seventh generation of gaming systems." Cadwal 04:08, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't think the first part needs to be in there at all. I think the only part of the statement that should be conveyed in the lead is that the Wii is in the same console cycle as the 360 and PS3. The competition vs. differentiation issue has POV implications that aren't going to be solved by simply changing "but" to "and". Intricate matters like this are just not suited for introductory text. This is not to say it shouldn't be covered, but the lead is not the place for it. Dancter 06:34, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The wording of the sentence has been discussed at great length (check archives). The segment had been debated and modified to the point where a separate "Demographic" subsection had to created to satisfy WP:LEAD. The current and makes it read as though Nintendo stated the second half of the sentence, which is inaccurate. A full stop between both statements would clearer at this point. Just64helpin 09:32, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Nintendo implied this would be their next generation console following the Nintendo GameCube, which would put it in the seventh generation of gaming since it is an upgrade compared to the Nintendo GameCube. It's sort of hard not to imply that the Wii would be part of the next generation of consoles when you flaunt it along side the PS3 and Xbox 360. 74.161.65.20 19:52, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * To clarify, the point of contention was whether the Wii competes with the other consoles, as opposed to whether it's in the same generation. Just64helpin 21:41, 14 July 2007 (UTC)


 * For the meantime, I'm putting a period; however, in my opinion this it is merely a band-aid to the problem. As for removing the first part of the sentence, that is not an option because it is required as part of the WP:LEAD.  Though I do believe if we're going to discuss the "Demographic" there should be a section on it; however, there isn't enough information available to establish the key demographic other than that they're are targetting people of all ages (which could just as easily be established in the LEAD with appropriate references). Cadwal 03:41, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Sales information
Regarding this revert, I want to point two things: Therefore, I believe the given reference is well placed. -- ReyBrujo 05:37, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) We are not about truth, but verifiability: The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Next Generation is a reliable source, and any reader is able to verify that they are giving estimates that match the ones appearing here.
 * 2) We do not rely on Media Create, Chart Trak, Famitsu and NPD only. Per the previous point, any reliable source giving numbers is good enough for our verifiability threshold.
 * 3) Even those companies we so much cherish as gamers do estimates. Yes, even NPD.
 * I replied on your talk page, but will do a brief point here. That site estimated the numbers. not reporting them as truth. The NPD Group does not "estimate" sales, they actually do track them (they track about 80% of total games sales, they do extrapolate the remaining 20% for retailers that aren't tracked by them). These numbers from Next Generation aren't erifiable because they even say they are just estimates. The actual North American numbers for the March period (March 4-April 7) will be released next Thursday at about 4:30PM EST and are reliable numbers. TJ Spyke 05:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Verifiable means that, according to our definition which I previously added, "any reader should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source". That is all we need: that users can check that a reliable source has cited that amount before us. According to your own definition, NPD data is not verifiable because they state the sales information are also estimations (tracking 80% of total games, extrapolating 20%). We don't question data, we question sources. And, for all means, Next Generation is a reliable source. Feel free to ask at WP:V or WP:RS whether this information can be used. -- ReyBrujo 12:01, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I dissagree, not with the placement, but ReyBrujo's statements. How can an encyclopedia not be about truth? Isn't truth verifiable? Because not everything is true that is verifiable. Ex: Anna Nicole Smith is dead. Truth,verifiable. However, what if false info is released that she died of gunshot wounds to the head; it is passed off as truth, then major sources take it and report it. That passes verifiability tests, and its posted, but it is false info. See what I'm getting at? We should aim for more than verifiable, we should aim for truth. Quatreryukami 15:27, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That puts us in a tight situation: to obtain the truth, we need to judge. That is why encyclopedias only compile data already available in other sources. If we aim at truth, we must be able to determine whether the data is true or not, which includes original research. For a fact like "Anna Nicole Smith is dead", it is trivial, because the reliable sources agree. But for a statement like "Iraq is currently in a worse situation than it was with Saddam Hussein" it is not as easy. Please check Verifiability: we aim at being verifiable, which is already extremely hard (if not, just browse the trivia section of almost any article). -- ReyBrujo 21:48, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * While I am sure their estimate is close to the real number; it is just that, an estimate. It's no more reliable than exit polls in elections. We wouldn't report the winner of an election based on exit polls, would we? We should be getting the actual numbers in about 6 days, rather than just estimates since the section is for sales data and not estimates of sales. TJ Spyke 21:59, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Tell me, why you use Media Create numbers instead of Famitsu then? Aren't both reliable sources? Why do they differ? I won't revert back, I hope someday you will be able to understand the difference between reliable sources and facts, and why we care more about a verifiable information and not about truth. -- ReyBrujo 02:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Media Create and Famitsu both track actual sales (although they somehow vary on data), the reason we use Media Create is because they release their data a week earlier (for example, Famitsu just released sales info that MC did last week). If the section was "estimated sales", I would have no problem (of coarse, then we would have to deal with the dozens of analysts offering their different estimates. TJ Spyke 03:02, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, of course the section is estimated sales. Media Create estimates sales, CT estimates sales, Famitsu estimates sales, NPD estimates sales... you are again not understanding the verifiability concept, which is one of the five bases of Wikipedia. Oh, well, won't waste my time anymore, at least until you read the policies. -- ReyBrujo 03:21, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Verifiability is tangible truth. It's strange how you say how wikipedia is about verifiability, then want to link to an unverifiable source. There is no way of telling if their information is accurate.Brunky 03:32, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The point is that the outside source can be checked. Whether that source is true or not (or whether the source itself has a reliable source) is irrelevant. Just64helpin 17:47, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Does anyone find it suspicious that there is still a shortage in North America when only 250,000 units were sold in March. The PS2 sold more than that but is readily available. Joelon 22:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You do know that the Wii is selling out worldwide (except for New Zealand)? Nintendo has sold over 6.5 million systems in only 5 months. Xbox 360 is basically dead in Japan (selling an average of 4K a week) and struggling in Europe. The PS3 is also struggling everywhere except Europe (PS3 just had it's lowest week ever in Japan, just 11K last week). The Wii is clearly selling out and Nintendo is making a PROFIT on every system sold (unlike its competition), so there is no reason Nintendo wouldn't sell as many as they could. It is possible Nintendo held some back though for April since they had already met their goal of 6 million, and wanting to save some for Super Paper Mario. TJ Spyke 00:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This statement is full on conjecture and betrays the agenda and bias of TJ Spyke, should he be the arbiter of "fact" when he makes such statements? 136.2.1.153 17:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

The estimate on the Wii article is inaccurate - according to Nintendo.

There own financial results: http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2007/070426.pdf

These two articles, published today, are reporting on the Nintendo financials (PDF) posted above. No amount of popular estimating by Media Create, Chart Trak, Famitsu and NPD can possibly be accurate if it is greater than the number Nintendo themselves say they have shipped. 136.2.1.153 12:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

The locked article, maintained by rosy-eyed-agenda-driven fans, needs to be changed ASAP. 136.2.1.153 12:53, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/04/26/business/AS-FIN-EARNS-Japan-Nintendo.php "Nintendo said it sold 5.84 million Wii machines worldwide in the five months since its release"

"5.84 million of its new Wii(TM) home video game systems globally" http://blogs.mercurynews.com/aei/2007/04/nintendo_cleans_up_in_its_fiscal_year_results.html

136.2.1.153 12:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

This section is clearly inaccurate, what is the holdup? Do the maintainers of this article have an agenda? Why is the update taking so long? 136.2.1.153 14:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't fling accusations around like that. How's this for an answer to your question: there may be no one around right now who can read Japanese, and that PDF doesn't have any English. Also, it took a few refreshes of the PDF for my browser (Firefox) to stop giving me error messages and turning all the Japanese characters into dots. Even if there is someone here who can read the kanji, they may not be able to read the PDF because their computer won't display it. --Herald Alberich 16:19, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies; even though everything I said stands, I didn't see your other links. The first one probably qualifies, but I'm a relatively new editor here at this article, so I'm not sure what to change. Here's a better reason nothing has been done yet: No experienced editors of this article are online. You have to give us a bit longer than two hours, I'm afraid. --Herald Alberich 16:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I would change that, but TJ Spyke is likely to say that we should trust NPD and Media Create and not Nintendo because NPD track sales and Nintendo does not. -- ReyBrujo 16:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Based on the bias displayed above "Xbox 360 is basically dead in Japan (selling an average of 4K a week) and struggling in Europe." which is incorrect. "Nintendo is making a PROFIT on every system sold (unlike its competition)" Is TJ Spyke privy to Microsoft's internal accounting or repeating an unsubstantiated canard?  And here "It is possible Nintendo held some back though for April since they had already met their goal of 6 million, and wanting to save some for Super Paper Mario." we see him trying to divine the mind of Nintendo (only positively of course). This article is being ham-hammered to reflect the world-view of pro-Nintendo editors. It is a farce  136.2.1.153 17:22, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is the Financial Report in English, from Nintendo's own website. . Zomic_13 16:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice. Again, I'm not going to do anything because I'm new here, but if we end up using this, what we're looking for is on the last page, 21. --Herald Alberich 17:14, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Here is about 170 Articles that support the assesment of the financial results to mean "5.84 Million" [] 136.2.1.153 17:16, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we already understand, now cool down. I have added a dubious tag and a update tag to the sales information. I was going to update the article, but as I said, some users are bound to revert without discussing. You can request unprotection of the article at WP:RFPP. -- ReyBrujo 17:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Nintendo's Consolidated Financial Statements document lists total Wii sales at 5.84 million as of March 2007. We're already at the end of April now. 72.43.143.120 18:40, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Since we see only glowing content about the markets' reception of the console Perhaps mention of Nintendo's failure to meet its own Q1 2007 Target may be in order to provide some resonable semblance of objectivity?

"The company shipped 5.84 million Wii consoles since its introduction, just shy of Nintendo's latest target of 6 million."[] 136.2.1.153 17:29, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Is a 2.7% difference notable? Bladestorm 17:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, since I do sometimes get a bit argumentative: That really is just a question. :) Bladestorm 17:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a question best left to the investors. It wouldn't be disagreeable to mention things like that, though, to place the sales performance in historical context.Of course, maintaining a neutral point of view is still important; that particular bit does not directly assert a connection to popular reception in a manner that connotes failure, so that won't work. It should be pointed out that it still surpassed the original target by a significant margin. Regarding the concerns of addressing what is claimed to be an unfairly positive representation, there have been articles that have expressed concern about Nintendo's inability to meet demand, notably one in the Freakonomics blog. Dancter 20:18, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Whoever added it, what is your dispute with the SOURCED and ACCURATE sales numbers? The sources are accurate and reliable. Japan numbers come from Media Create, North America comes from NPD reports. Australia and New Zealand is also reliable. The only one that might be a problem is Europe, but a Nintendo exec gave the 2 million estimate. The numbers are up to date. So what is the problem? TJ Spyke 22:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * "Whoever added it, what is your dispute with the SOURCED and ACCURATE sales numbers?" The fact is that a more accurate source of numbers comes along(Nintendo themselves), and the section should *atleast* include both. I argue that the old innaccurate estimates be removed entirely and replaced with Nintendo's numbers. AND a note be made that those numbers are wholesale, and do not represent retail sales. NDP et al, are clearly wrong. What is clearly happening here is that you are loathe to reduce the apparent number of wii sales because you have an emotional (financial?) investment in protraying Wii with a positive agenda. This very discussion page shows you rabidly defending every single Best Description -- at the same time rabidly attacking any notion of balance, criticism or less-than-totally-optimal light.

136.1.1.154 13:29, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I should also point out that Nintendo's reports are until March 31. That means the sourced sales info we have includes 10 extra days in Europe, 15 extra days in Japan, and 7 extra days North America. TJ Spyke 22:21, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Im glad you said that. Are you possibly suggesting that the 10 EU + 15 JP + 7 NA days resulted in 800,000 sales? That would be a sales amount that practically quadruples the previous sales rate. The press is reporting that the unit is slowing somewhat.. and you suggest that its quadrupled? This is just outrageous that you'd keep up the chirade of impartiality. your obvious bias is all over this discussion page -- are there no other editors on wikipedia that monitor this page to keep this person's agenda off this article? after taking the time to read this page, you have single handedly made me loose faith in the operation of wikipedia.


 * your trying to say that nintendo's own estimate is wrong. that the number of units sold at retail is 800,000 MORE than they have sold at wholsale. in fact, your number is probably about 1,000,000 units too much if you consider that there is surely some measure of stock i the channel. Total fucking un-reality at work here. :136.1.1.154 13:17, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please, please assume good faith. If TJ Spyke was trying to portray Wii in a non-neutral fashion, there are better ways to do so than fudging numbers in a tiny little table partway down the page. Furthermore, if this was a non-neutral article, it never would have become featured. The nature of the data we're working with means that all possible sources are estimates, including Nintendo's, and are not going to be accurate down to the last box. Speaking from experience, on the other hand, we work hard to get these articles featured, and can be loath to make possibly-unhelpful changes. You may have a case that Nintendo's numbers are more accurate than the ones Spyke has been using. Please argue it without accusing him of bias. --Herald Alberich 18:40, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Anon IP, reports are showing that demand is acutally INCREASING (and sales, especially in Japan, show that Wii's sales are only constrained by how many Nintendo can ship). Have you taken a look at any sales reports lately? The Wii has sold over 200K units in Japan alone this month and outsold every other system (besides the DS) COMBINED last week, Nintendo ramped up Wii shipments at the end of March/early April (so it is plausible that most of the US sales for the March NPD period came in the first 7 days of April, which was pard of the March period), the Wii has also done extremely well in Europe. So, yes, it is very possible that Nintendo sold ~800K units wordwide after March 31. TJ Spyke 21:19, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * People are still camping out in front of my local Target whenever they get a handful of Wiis in. I have yet to see one on the shelf in a store.  I might mention to the other anon that I have absolutely no faith at all in Wikipedia anymore, such that I no longer sign on or edit, but I don't think his/her posts appear any less biased than TJ Spyke. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 157.127.124.15 (talk) 18:29, 1 May 2007 (UTC).
 * An interesting note, for anyone that does have a bias with sales. The Wii has sold twice as many units as the PS3, according to each page, and the total sales for the PS3 are unsourced in any case, so it could actually be less. The Wii has SOLD more units than the PS3 has SHIPPED. Very interesting, in terms of bias. JayKeaton 23:06, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

According to this article the has sold 5.84 million worldwide not the 6.80 million on this wiki page

http://www.mcvuk.com/news/26994/Nintendo-hardware-sales-revealed —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Neocarrillo (talk • contribs) 14:52, 11 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Yes, but here Gamasutra states that the only consistent source has been console manufacturer’s financial reports, from which these latest figures appear to be derived. that would be over a month old by now. Here the article said it has already sold over 8 million by now. Anyways, people is very touchy when dealing with this console. -- ReyBrujo 18:13, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

Does anyone think that if Nintendo manufactured Wiis faster, than the sales amount would surpass the Xbox 360? And if so, is it worth mentioning in the article?--Gundor Twintle Fluffy 12:27, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nintendo is manufacturing them as fast as they can, and it's not worth mentioning. Remember, unlike the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, the Wii is in high demand in every region and the same situation is happening with the DS. TJ Spyke 00:32, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

8.8 million i remember that thing sold like 10 million O:!or am i wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hitamaru (talk • contribs)
 * Huh? The sales numbers in the article are the only sourced numbers out there. I should point out that VG Chartz and NexGenBiz are unreliable since they pull numbers out of their ass (and then change them when the REAL numbers are revealed). You may be thinking of the Xbox 360, which has sold about 10 million systems. TJ Spyke 00:53, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

In the E3 preview show on G4, didn't they say that the Wii outsold both systems: the PS3 4 to 1 and the 360 2 to 1 or something like that?FrogTape 20:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I'm modifying the global number to 8.2 million+, there is no basis on the 10 million+ units in the Forbe article, hopefully Nintendo will release it's quarterly report some time later this month, before this no one should change the value unless there are solid number being referenced. Kenimaru 08:54, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

To Frogtape:Yes, during the Microsoft Media Event shown on G4, Peter Moore showed the sales chat for the three systems. The Wii was shown selling 100,000 more units worldwide than the 360. I really don't think Microsoft would lie to make Nintendo look better! Marioman49 19:34, July 14 2007 (UTC)

Why does it say the total is 8.2 million? I just added up the sourced numbers, and they add up to 8,183,601 (so 8.18 million should be listed). Chuck Quizmo 21:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Why not 8.184 million? Or 8.1836 million? You have to round somewhere... Tmdean 01:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Your timing is impeccable because the updated sales figures now put the number over 8.2 Bytemaster 20:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

The comment about being behind 360 should be removed based on units sold, because we don't have an exact number for 360s sold World wide, but only the total number shipped. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.133.139.5 (talk • contribs).
 * But wouldn't it be possible to generate a spreadsheet on console sales based on NPD, Media Create and Chart Track? But either way, the Wii sales numbers seem to come from credible sources, so summing them up, and adding a plus sign is a good idea, since sales aren't really tracked in most Asian countries, but in the end, they do count.--Kylohk 04:21, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

The Wii has just surpassed the Xbox 360 in sales, and updated sales figures are available on not only the Wii but the PS3 and Xbox 360. http://www.vgchartz.com/news/news.php?id=508. 22 August 2007 Erickurth 01:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Vgchartz is not a reliable source. Just64helpin 01:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * VGchartz is not, but GamePro is, regardless of their source. -- ReyBrujo 03:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Therapeutic benefits?
I'm surprised there is no mention of any therapeutic or health benefits. There's Wii Fit (and the balance board), but also, the Wii is being used in therapy sessions in North Carolina. Supposedly the first hospital to use the Wii was the Glenrose Rehabilitation Hospital in Edmonton, Alberta Canada. I think we should mention it, yeah? 70.104.16.81 03:09, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A bit on weight loss had been added to the "Reception" section, but was removed for reasons I can't remember. Just64helpin 03:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Extra Addition to Article
Should we add a section about how some developers and Gamers suspect the wii to be a fad? If you allow me I'll do it myself. I already have official sources. Starwarsrulez 02:41, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand that a number of gamers in gaming forums continue to say how it's a fad. However, it is likely to add undue weight to the article (or probably original research), since the reactions of the general public and console sales indicate the public actually likes the Wii.--Kylohk 02:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well some developers such as Sega and Insomniac have exspressed fad concerns. Of course Sony has to but their biased. But I think since the developers aren't biased the addition would be unbiased, but if you don't wish it I will not add it. I also have some gaming site sources.Starwarsrulez 02:46, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The thing is, the developers that criticize the Wii as a fad are in the minority, and some are showing signs of changing their minds. Due to the lack of prominence in this argument, the "fad statement" should not be extended beyond what it is now (and may have to be withdrawn eventually). That Sega executive seemed to be contradicting himself, as I can see.--Kylohk 02:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok then I won't add it, but I tought even though those people are in the minority, it was enough for it to be mentioned in this topic.
 * The Sega bit is already in the "Reception" section. The Insomniac info was no-noed due to concerns of bias, since Insomniac is affiliated with Sony. Just64helpin 02:54, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well actually Insomniac states that what they wrote was not authorized or endorsed by Sony. They also say that they are a completely 100% independant studio. They haven't been bought out by Sony or signed a contract with them. They could immediately turn over and develop for Nintedo or MS but I won't add anything.In the article they also disagree with some things Sony has done and complement Nintendo and Microsoft sometimes. There are still the gaming sites as well. Has it been noted that the failure rate for the Wii is less than one percent. It might be zero but I'm not sure. I'll give you the link if you want.Starwarsrulez 04:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Wii Elite
Are there any confirmation about the Wii Elite rumor? I spotted it at a blog. Note that I haven't done any research on this. --ReCover 10:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, Nintendo Wi-Fi is free to all users. Just64helpin 10:11, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

That is so fake. First of all like he said Nintendo Wi-Fi is free. Second of all Nintendo wouldn't make the Wii Remote that ugly. Third he says the Wii is getting StarCraft 2, then why did Blizzard said they had no plans to release it on any console because it was to fast paced for consoles. I don't think we should post anything like this until Nintendo actually confirms something. Starwarsrulez 15:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I had suspicions that it was fake since it hadn't popped up anywhere else, but just wanted to make you guys aware of it. --ReCover 19:00, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, Nintendo Wi-Fi is free. Also, obvious fake, the Wii logo is stretched. 205.206.207.250 19:04, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

WP:LEAD?
I dunno, but it seems that the lead section is a bit sparse, especially for a featured article. Is there really that little to say in the lead? Another concern is that it is possible in the future that print versions of Wikipedia would only include the lead section and so the lead must provide a complete summary of the rest of the article. Axem Titanium 19:35, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It currently summarizes, or a least hints at, all of the main sections except for "Software library". We can use this topic to discuss where need more detail, but keep in mind that certain bits have met much debate in the past. Just64helpin 21:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

New link
cold soneone add this link to the article. I would do it, but my wireless cnncetion doesnt let me stay logged in. The Placebo Effect 69.19.14.43 03:14, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Wii release in Argentina
The electronics store Fravega, is going to sell the Wii since the 10th of August 2007, without authorization from Nintendo. While this isn't an official release, this is quite common in Argentina as the PS3 is sold without authorization from Sony in Carrefour supermarkets and several stores sell next-gen consoles. Do I add this to the article? Note: it's legal to sell consoles without them being officially released, at least in Argentina. Sony claims this to be otherwise, but no one has said anything yet. Proof: http://ar.geocities.com/roberto_carrazzoni/img002.jpg -- I Am Magnus talk  23:04, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

HD
Is it not HD, or can a HD version be made? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ajuk (talk • contribs).
 * The Wii supports 480p and widescreen, which is better than standard definition, but still isn't considered HD.
 * If your question is could Nintendo make a new Wii model that runs existing Wii games in high definition, the answer is no. Nintendo could make an HD Wii, but it would only work with games created with special support for HD resolutions. Tmdean 04:56, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

UK initial shortage
As reported, the United Kingdom suffered a large shortage of console units as many high-street and online stores were unable to fulfill all preorders when it was released on December 8, 2006.[20] As of March 2007, some UK stores still had a shortage of consoles,[21]and as of June 2007, demand still outpaced supply in US.

Is there a good reason for the UK shortage at launching time to be mentioned specifically? As I perceive it, it was more of a worldwide issue, so mentioning the problem in UK only could be misleading. I know here in Spain demand largely exceded offer, at least during the first months. I'm not changing it for a while, to let people make a point, if there is one to be made. Otherwise, I'll remove the paragraph that talks about it.Juanmejgom 23:04, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The paragraph also mentions the U.S. shortage. Rather than removing info, I would suggest adding sourced content that reflects the worldwide situation. Just64helpin 23:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There is a sure reason for the shortage (it happens all over Canada, US, UK), we believe that it is a technique not to let the Nintendo Wii die out of popularity, meaning if there are still people that want it, then they won't have to lower the price, for example, if they make a lot of Wii's, and they are not all sold out, and hardly anyone buys them anymore, thay will start lowering the price. Understand? Having more than they need will lower its value and popularity. androo123
 * I have no idea what you are trying to say. BTW, the console name is just "Wii". Just64helpin 16:07, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

"Wii" vs "The Wii" redux
Uh, I noticed that it has been changed to say "The Wii" when I thought it was just supposed to say "Wii". It also says to join the discussion here, but it has been archived so I'd like to start a new discussion about it if you all don't mind. I believe it should read "Wii" as opposed to "The Wii", because the article is simply called Wii and "The Wii" sounds too personalised, while the lack of "The" sounds more encyclopedic. That's my reasons anyway. .:Alex:. 18:12, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've made the change, which I believe was the consensus when the issue was discussed. --Maxamegalon2000 19:06, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've reverted the change, as the previous consensus was that "the Wii" is grammatically correct, and that editors should not ignore that fact to please Nintendo. EDIT: The consensus can be found here. Just64helpin 19:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I wish to reopen the discussion. No definate consensus was achieved, just "a quick poll" on peoples opinions on the matter and the change was left. Also, were not talking about every other statement of "Wii" on Wikipedia, just the very first word(s) in the lead. .:Alex:. 19:56, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not against a new discussion, just clarifying what the consensus was previously. We should not alter the existing version until consensus decides for it. As for the new discussion, I'll point out that we should be consistent in either "Wii" or "the Wii". Exclusively omitting "the" in the lead would be confusing. Just64helpin 21:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally tend to agree that there needn't be any preceding "the", at least not in the title. Whether it is grammatically correct to refer the console in a sentence with "the", I believe the title of the console itself is and should be reflected as "Wii". "Wii would like to play" springs to mind.Lemon-lime 23:03, 6 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The title does say "Wii". The point of the discussion is whether the opening sentence should begin with "The". So far, existing arguments, standards and guidelines point to "The". Just64helpin 23:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Why, though? There's Nintendo, Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, Nintendo GameCube and Wii... not the Nintendo 64 and the Nintendo GameCube, and not the Wii. Miles Blues 22:06, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Go compare the articles before making your argument; use of "the" in the lead is a consistent style across not just the Nintendo console articles but virtually every gaming console article on Wikipedia, and for that matter a lion's share of articles in general. So why would this article get special treatment?  Just because of Nintendo's word?  Common grammar does not work that way.  --Stratadrake 03:08, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Wii Menu picture
Can someone please update the Wii Menu picture to reflect the new update (Clock, etc)? Thanks! LN3000 07:32, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * There's a new update? Could you explain? .:Alex:. 08:16, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently it only came out just yesterday. The details of the update have already been added on the Wii Menu article. Unlike the previous updates, this one has actually changed the Wii Menu a bit visually, as the tab that says Wii Menu between the System and Message Board buttons is bigger now, and is the location of the new digital clock. I'm assuming this is why LN3000 suggested obtaining a new screenshot of the Wii Menu. D i saster K i rbyTalk 08:30, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. I just downloaded it now. Yeah, it does warrant a new picture. I just didn't know there was an update. Thanks. .:Alex:. 09:26, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, thank you Kirby! LN3000 20:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Wii Menu channels

 * There is already a small part that explains channels at the Wii Menu part, but it is not enough, there should be a small section underneath it to explain each channel and their purpouse. Someone do it for me because I'm too scared that I will damage the page! a n d r oo 123  19:38, 7 August, 2007 (EDT)
 * That's what the Wii Menu entry is for. The Wii article is large enough as it is. Just64helpin 23:51, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What Just64helpin said. This article might get a bit cluttered if it has a sentence for every Channel currently available, but that's just what I think. D i saster K i rbyTalk 23:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * But what if we get more than one line, like a whole paragraph or more, its kinda like explaining what your getting with your Nintendo Wii! ►androo123  18:15, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

Lack of Availability
Just like other consoles such as the XBOX 360, the Wii sells out extremely quickly. Should this be mentioned? 67.188.172.165 21:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It is already mentioned in the article. Just64helpin 22:22, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I cant beleive that in Canada and the US all the Wii consoles are ALL sold out, if it is like this around the world, why dont we post it? "> ►androo123  18:15, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There is even a shortage in Canada, ALL of the Wii consoles are sold out, peolple on ebay sell their Consoles for over $400, its crazy that i originally spent $312 tax already included, and I can make so much money on it, do we post that?  ►androo123  11:16, 10 August 2007 (EDT)
 * It's already inharlock_jds 15:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Wii Software Piracy
Sadly, in Asia and other parts of the world pirated Wii games are now very common, and many people have had their consoles modded to play fake games. They are even selling Nintendo GameCube game compilation discs marked as Wii titles! Should we mention this in the article? Nintenboy01 22:15, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Has this been covered in the news media? Dancter 22:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Haven't seen any major news coverage but sites like this have some info, along with several other sites. Nintenboy01 22:29, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Another good example. Nintenboy01 22:52, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Those don't look very reliable. Just64helpin 23:03, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, yeah, it's basically just pictures from local Philippine shops showing the proliferation of counterfeit Wii software. Chances are you don't see this stuff in the USA though. Nintenboy01 23:10, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not so worried about reliability as I am about context. Both reports Nintendboy01 has shown seem to stem from the same anecdotal account of pirated games in the Philippines. It's not enough to build a proper coverage of piracy for the Wii in general. Dancter 23:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * True, I don't think it's quite at the level of piracy the PS2 and even the GBA have experienced. Hopefully it won't come to that though. Nintenboy01 23:31, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * On a side note, I find it odd that there is little mention of Wii's firmware updates here. Is it on another article? I hear that Nintendo is cracking down on modders and a message appears saying the console may be rendered inoperable if the update is applied to a modded unit. Nintenboy01 00:04, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's actually sprinkled throughout the article where appropriate. A change in text may still be needed in places, though. The Wii Menu article also has a section specifically about updates. Just64helpin 00:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh thanks, I missed that. It's missing the " may render your console inoperable" bit though. If I find a good source maybe I might add it in. Nintenboy01 00:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Software piracy is always a problem with consoles these days. But they rarely get reported in mainstream media. As for the "render your console inoperable" statement, it is likely, since it helps to combat piracy. Add it to the "hardware features" section, if you have a reliable source for it.--Alasdair 02:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's probably not reported in mainstream media too much since it seems to be prevalent mostly in Asia. What seems to get America's goat more is P2P networks and the like. Nintenboy01 03:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In Hong Kong, where I live, customs crackdowns on piracy and other fake goods is reported on the news. Although there weren't any crackdowns on pirated Wii games so far as I remember. If someone can find a SE Asian report, then it's all fine.--Alasdair 08:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Why did my edit get reverted?
I just Google searched "Wiimote" and there are results. And when I edit the "Wii Remote" section, I put "also known as the "Wiimote", but someone reverted my edit. Why?  PNiddy  Go!  0 03:05, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You mean this edit? The probable reason was that consensus had been established on the naming usage in the article in a prior discussion.--Alasdair 07:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We haven't had this discussion in a long time, but I think the consensus was to mention the nickname only on the actual Wii Remote article. --Stratadrake 12:56, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Wii Mods
In addition to pirated games, I noticed that this article makes no mention whatsoever of Wii modchips or anything, or even acknowledge the fact that piracy/homebrewing DOES exist on the Wii. Shouldnt this be mentioned even briefly, just to make the article a Wii bit more comprehensive? Plus the fact that the current firmware update seems to brick 9 out of 10 modded consoles. Nintenboy01 01:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Wasn't this already discussed in the topic above? Just64helpin 02:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, right. It's just that I can't seem to find a suitable source. But if you've noticed, the articles for Dreamcast, GCN and PS2 respectively do make mention of piracy (especially the Dreamcast article). Nintenboy01 02:45, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Homebrew doesn't exist on the Wii (yet). Just piracy. Tmdean 02:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not true. A mod chip team just released a homebrew DVD player that works with the BOSS modchipLemon-lime 13:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Wii sales in UK
We should have a part - somewhere either in reception or sales - discussing the astonishing sales figures for the UK. Japan it is a given to have huge sales, but in the UK it is somthing else entirely. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Well, the Sales section can always be extended with some details on Wii sales in different regions, aside from the table. (based on NPD, Media-Create, Chart Track UK etc.) And I agree, their sales are higher than what I expected in the beginning.--Alasdair 04:11, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Wii storage increase or hard drive add on?
Has there been any statement about increasing storage space or possible hard drive for the Wii? 71.103.79.231 08:46, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, no statement. In my personal opinion, a firmware upgrade that allows booting Virtual Console games/Wii Ware off of an SD card is far more likely than a hard drive materializing. Tmdean 06:10, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * a couple weeks ago i asked a question concerning a usb hub for the wii, and they responded with the Wii LAN converter being the only thing supported by Nintendo until a long time from now. So, a hard drive add on, by Nintendo (which is probably safer, I probably wouldn't trust third party) isn't in their plans yet. and in order for internal to be upgraded would require physical mantainance. However, SD cards CAN hold Virtual console games and Wii Ware data on the SD card. however dont quote me o n that, I know for sure save data, but the actual application maybe, I haven't tried it, nor do I have the need for it. C. Pineda 07:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You can redownload any VC game you've already bought. If you need more space, just delete one and put it back later when you want to play it again. They won't make it so you can boot VC games off of a SD card, because then your friends could play them without playing, on their own Wiis.Purplepurplepurple 14:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not true; virtual console games are encrypted so that they can only be played on the Wii that purchased it. The firmware only has to check the identifier included in the game image to determine whether a particular Wii has authorization to launch the software.
 * The only way that I can imagine Nintendo releasing a hard drive would be if they started putting HD video content on the Shop Channel, which I think is exceedingly unlikely. Virtual Console games and Wii Ware don't take up enough space to justify a hard drive. Tmdean 22:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

NPD July sales update
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

The Wii is already ahead of the Xbox360 in console sales. However, it says that it is currently behind. The Wii caught up about two weeks ago. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * There's no reliable source for that. And no, vgchartz is not a reliable source. 129.120.159.176 01:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. What's the reason why you believe it isn't a reliable source?70.23.249.173 16:01, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, why isn't Vgchartz a reliable source, they poll the retailers just like the NPD except they do it more often. Unlike Nexgenwars, which does it based on time and is NOT accurate, Vgchartz is even considered more accurate than sony,who tracks shipped units. Blackbird3216 02:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Vgchartz is NOT a magic source which can tell which consoles sold most.
 * IGN.com posted NPD sales data on Friday, August 24. Here is the link: http://wii.ign.com/articles/815/815230p1.html  Can someone add the information?  Or is IGN.com and NPD considered unreliable, too? 69.203.64.174 04:15, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * IGN is an authoritative medium on video games for many years, that makes it a reliable source.--Alasdair 04:36, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Just to make this clear, VGChartz doesn't poll retailers. They use functions and such that they've created themselves by looking at past sales data and basically guess until NPD puts out their sales information, at which point they update their numbers with the real ones. That only applies to North America and Japan though - the organizations who track numbers for most countries in Europe almost never release specific numbers, so their numbers for that entire region are literally complete and total guesses.Rabish12 19:08, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

My edit removed
I recently cited the vgchartz console sales records, however I states it was inaccurate. Moments later, it's reverted. What's up with this? I never said anything inaccurate. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MilesM11 (talk • contribs) 19:14, August 25, 2007 (UTC)
 * If the source is inaccurate, it shouldn't be cited in the first place. Wikipedia requires reliable sources. --Herald Alberich 19:38, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Should information from these websites be included?
Hi there. I think it would be interesting if information from these two websites, regarding the development and history of the Wii Remote, could be included in either the Wii (within the "History" sub-section) or Wii Remote articles. I am specifically interested in the following two excerpts.

From the first link, regarding Factor 5 being shown a motion-sensing controller for the Nintendo GameCube:

"'When we were doing Star Wars: Rogue Leader for the Nintendo GameCube actually, we had an early prototype of that controller, and that had motion control,' he said. 'So we thought for our style of gameplay - especially when it comes to flight - about motion control for a long time, so we were kind of anticipating it, and I was always keeping it in the back of my head.'"

From the second link, regarding development of a motion-sensing controller for Nintendo in 2001:

"Here's the back story: Gyration is a company that holds most of the best motion-sensing patents. Nintendo licensed a number of those patents from Gyration in 2001, and brought the company on board that year to develop a one-handed controller. (Nintendo even became an investor in Gyration, which is now owned by Thomson.)"

I also remember reading a Mailbox to IGN, a long while ago, which discussed Nintendo showing a "wand-like" peripheral for the Nintendo GameCube behind doors at some E3. Anyway, I wasn't sure if this stuff should be added to the article, in case it's speculation or whatnot. Thoughts? --Zooba 17:42, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's notable, the information would be best presented in the Wii Remote article, possibly under a "History" section. Just64helpin 17:50, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

No custom soundtracks?
So, I'm trying to look up to see if custom soundtracks are available for a game to be released in the future, and I notice that after the release of Excite Truck, Nintendo stated that they got rid of custom soundtracks indefinitely. Excite Truck is apparently the only game with the custom soundtrack ability. My question is, why did Nintendo put the custom soundtrack feature on hold indefinitely? I mean, I'm not saying a game's soundtrack is bad, but I also want to be able to listen to my music while playing (not from separate audio sources). No matter the answer, the article should be updated to say that custom soundtracks aren't supported at the moment, although a reputable source still would need to be located. --GVOLTT How's my editing?\My contribs 19:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure where you heard that from, but it is not true. In fact, Nintendo just released another game in Japan (a US release is in October) that allows for custom sound tracks: Forever Blue. Zomic_13 21:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)