Talk:Wii/Archive 29

Wii HD rumor?
serch it up on google, should this be put on the wii page? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.40.206.120 (talk) 20:29, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Rumours aren't allowed in articles. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 05:53, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * But the documentation of rumours is. Pseud o Nym 15:00, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the article already mentions that Nintendo is seeking a solution for storing downloaded content. The question is whether or not the rumored specifics and additional rumored details are appropriate for the article. just64helpin (talk) 15:41, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Storage Problem
At the end of the Hardware section, the storage solution line could be changed to incorporate the news that Nintendo plans to allow saving of channels directly to SD card. See here: —Preceding unsigned comment added by DuggersCup (talk • contribs)


 * Done. just64helpin (talk) 00:21, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Use as a DVD player
I believe one of the reasons why the default Wii can't just be firmware upgraded to one is that the laser wears out eventually? 82.41.109.55 (talk) 19:54, 18 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Sounds unlikely to me. Red lasers are a mature technology, and they are solid state.  That stuff can easily be built to last.  Algr (talk) 08:11, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In any case, homebrew devels have implemented the functionality. ff m  22:00, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Wii Specification Outdated?
It says on the hardware specification section that most of the information is "leaked". The Wii has been out for almost two years now, there must be somebody who has actually taken apart the Wii and has listed all the parts by now. It seems to me that currently the section, or atleast the paragraph introduction to the section, is outdated.Spartan123209 (talk) 21:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Get a publisher like Cnet to confirm that, otherwise it's WP:OR. ff m  19:16, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Wii Shortages in the US
Two years after its release the Wii is still in short supply in the U.S. But wikipedians still dispute that this is newsworthy or even occurring. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Krkeegan (talk • contribs) 22:41, 27 October 2008 (UTC)


 * It should probably get a one-liner in the sales section. There shouldn't be any Wikipedians that dispute it is even occurring as they should know Wikipedia is about verifiability, not truth and there are plenty of citeable sources about this. -Zomic13 (talk) 22:56, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Name not featured in it's trademark
The article states: "According to the Nintendo Style Guide, the name "is simply Wii, not Nintendo Wii." This means it is the first home console Nintendo has marketed outside of Japan without the company name featured in its trademark."

I believe the Gamecube was actaully the first nintendo product to do this. Nintendo America started out calling in Nintendo Gamecube (NGC), but the home office told them no, it's just suppose to be Gamecube (GC). NOA didnt quite listen though, and started reffering to it as GCN. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.221.109.41 (talk) 01:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

If you can find a source for this claim it can be noted in the article.Spartan123209 (talk) 21:58, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

How about the Nov. 2001 issue of NextGen magazine? Coffee4binky (talk) 18:21, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, I vaguely recall reading that. However, an important qualifier in the wikiarticle is "...outside of Japan...". just64helpin (talk) 18:33, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It was always "Nintendo GameCube", not just "GameCube" (and sure as hell not "Gamecube"). Nintendo almost always called it "Nintendo GameCube". For example, take a look at this finacial report they filed in 2007 (in the hardware sales section): . It's a moot point anyways, since like Just64 says the statement already says "outside of Japan".  TJ   Spyke   15:12, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Wii are the champions!
I hear that the Wii is outselling the Xbox 360 and the PS3. Is this true? If so, it could be put into the article!
 * Welcome to mid 2007! The Wii has been outselling them for a year and a half. The Wii become #1 in total sales in August 2007 (overtaking Xbox 360's total sales), and has outsold both consoles almost every month.  TJ   Spyke   14:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Wii shipment figures as of 2008-09-30 (released on 2008-10-30)
Hardware shipment figures through the third quarter of 2008 were released. Look at page 10 here. In the Wii row, under ハード (hardware) in the 計 (total) row 34 550 000 units (column 累計, cumulative total, in units of 10,000). Japan is at 6 910 000 units shipped, Americas at 15 190 000 units and other 12 450 000 units. 85.77.250.130 (talk) 14:35, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's the English version, page 11. The data is identical. 85.77.250.130 (talk) 14:59, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Wavebird
Is the official wavebird controller compatible with the wii? 66.168.19.135 (talk) 19:13, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The Wavebird is a GameCube controller, and the Wii is compatible with GameCube controllers. just64helpin (talk) 19:56, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Though not every Wii game can be played with one but there are some such as Smash Bros Brawl. --76.71.213.19 (talk) 02:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

It says on the back of the wii game box. It is those little blue pictures on the top right hand cornner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Redseth95 (talk • contribs) 23:01, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Lead
I don't like the way the lead is now organized. It focuses too much on the console's competitors and sales information at the very beginning. Asher196 (talk) 12:43, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "I don't like" see DONTLIKEIT. --PS3 Addict (talk) 23:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What you are linking does neither apply, nor make sense. I have specific concerns regarding the lead.  I am searching for feedback from other editors about changes I would like.  Perhaps you should read your own link and learn something. Asher196 (talk) 06:20, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Wireless error?
The Wii is referred to often as supporting 802.11b/g wireless however it only works with 802.11b mode. G mode is frequently included because those specifications include backward compatibility, thus allowing the Wii to connect. Unfortunately I haven't got sources, becuase reviews tend to just parrot the error. 114.76.38.17 (talk) 07:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What exactly is your evidence for this? -Zomic13 (talk) 07:56, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Wii lacks power, but it's still the king
How can anyone compare PS3 to Nintendo's Wii and XBOX? One pnly similarity is that they are game consoles. PS3 is a multi use console unlike the other 2. It is not only a hi def game console, but also a first class Blu-Ray player. One should not be bunching it with the other 2 nerds at all !!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.246.106.152 (talk) 08:20, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Spoken like a true fanboy. Bitter about the fact that PS3 is dead last, and the fact that the Wii outsold the PS2/PS3/PSP COMBINED in November?  TJ   Spyke   17:12, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

It should be noted that the Wii, though it cannot process important Seventh Generation games like GTA 4, that it is still way ahead of sales in the seventh generation, selling over 30 million units by september 2008, as the Wii is an exception to most generations, as it cannot play key seventh generation games like GTA 4, but still is a worldwide runaway sucsess. As that is a relavent focuss and section for any article. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 12:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, both the Wii's lack of power and the console's successful sales are mentioned in the article. Drawing a connection between the two facts in considered O.R. without an additional source making the connection. Such a point would be suitable for the "Reception" section. just64helpin (talk) 13:51, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not exactly sure what your point is. The Xbox 360 and PS3 are unable to run important seventh generation games like Super Mario Galaxy or Metroid Prime 3. Each system has its own unique games. -Zomic13 (talk) 07:57, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What he meant was processing the games. PS3 and Xbox can indeed run Metroid and Galaxy if someone hacked the Wii optical disk and re-burned it on Xbox and PS3 disks. But the Wii processing power would be unable to run GTA. --haha169 (talk) 23:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * What is your point? Fact of the matter, Wiisport is probably the most important game for the Wii and indeed neither of the other 2 can manage to run it properly (lacking the control input required). Heck ps2 cannot run properly most games released on the other 2 (Halo2 and the gfx intensive games mainly), that didn't change anything in the end —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.80.239.162 (talk) 08:35, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't you guys add that there is going to be a wii 2? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.32.147.4 (talk) 22:32, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Considering that Nintendo has never said that, no.  TJ   Spyke   22:45, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Graphic Artifacts
It seems to be quite a common problem amongst Wii owners, shouldn't it be mentioned as well under Technical Issues?

Search using the keywords "Graphic Artifacts" or Wii Artifacts to see a number of cases regarding this.

122.53.160.82 (talk) 16:33, 27 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1)That original research. 2)The number of people affect is miniscule (not worth mentioning due to how few cases there are, and EVERY electronic device with have some problems since there no 0% failure rate).  TJ   Spyke   17:14, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Club Nintendo
We need a section on this since it is becoming available worldwide. `````. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cooly123 (talk • contribs) 15:27, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It's basically just a new version of My Nintendo.  TJ   Spyke   15:32, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Minus the fact that it is much different than My Nintendo. You can now register your Wii Games for Coins that allow you to 'buy' Wii accessories. In Europe you can use those coins for Wii Points cards. I think this is an important talking point and Wii related in every way.208.38.105.59 (talk) 05:13, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Release in China
What is about the release in China? The article tells "sometime in 2008", but I have never heard of a Chinese release again, aside from announcements. iQue's website had almost no updates in the last months. --Grandy02 (talk) 18:32, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

New Additions/Updates
I think the "channel interface" and it's channels should be detailed more in the article and include information about the upcoming Video channel that was announced a few weeks ago. "Miis" should also get talked about in detail.

November data needs to be added to sales and it could be noted elsewhere in the article that the Wii sold over 2 million consoles in November 2008. The first console to sell that many in a non-December month.

Club Nintendo should also be detailed. This article is just about the Wii, I know that, but Club Nintendo should be mentioned because you can register your Wii and Wii games...the latter for points in which you can 'buy' Wii accessories in NA and Japan in addition to Wii Points for VC and WiiWare releases in Europe (as well as DS games, accessories, and general Nintendo merchandise).

I'm not sure if I missed this in the article but Wii Speak, The Wii Wheel, The Balance Board, The Wii Zapper, and Wii Motion Plus should all have a section. Possibly entitled "control expansion and shells". The Nunchuk and Classic controller could also be detailed in this section.

I'm also not sure if I missed the topic of DS to Wii connectivity, which should be talked about. Including game use (like Pokemon Battle Revolution/Pokemon Diamond and Pearl/My Pokemon Ranch and Castlevania: Judgment/Order of Ecclesia), and the Nintendo Channel's DS Demo downloads available through the Wii.

New Play Control could also be talked about as it is an important part of the Wii Console's future software line-up (the retooling and re-release of classic Gamecube titles with new Wii controls).

And finally Pay-To-Play isn't talked about much or at all. I think there should be a section about this as well as the Wii finally seeing its first DLC (from Guitar Hero: World Tour and Rock Band 2).

Hope all or most of these suggestions make it in. I think it would add a lot to this article. Most of these topics are very important to the Wii and should be included in the main article about the Wii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.38.105.59 (talk) 05:09, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Everything you've mentioned is in the article, and/or detailed in the Wii Menu and Wii Remote articles. The idea is to describe the main points here and branch off details to various sub-articles; this helps the Wii article from becoming excessively large and unnavigable. just64helpin (talk) 12:07, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Wii Motion Plus
Shouldn't we include something about the Wii Motion Plus? 8 Ball Corner Pocket (talk) 05:51, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope. Already discussed in the appropriate article: Wii Remote. Not really worth mentioning here.  TJ   Spyke   05:54, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There should probably be a mention of it here. No more than a sentence, but there should be a mention of it in the Wii article. -Zomic13 (talk) 09:52, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I've added a brief summary in the Wii Remote section. just64helpin (talk) 13:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Wii sports?
I question listing Wii sports as the best selling game as it comes with the wii itself. It is more of a free feature than a game you buy. You really don't get a choice in it so it isn't really the most popular game on the wii. 70.240.83.210 (talk) 22:23, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It still counts. Super Mario Bros. originally came bundled with the NES, Tetris with the Game Boy, Super Mario World with the SNES. Not to mention dozens of other games have been bundle with systems at various times. Not to mention that Wii Sports is also the best selling Wii game in Japan (where it doesn't come bundled with the Wii).  TJ   Spyke   22:26, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok thanks for at least explaining it to me. 70.240.110.203 (talk) 01:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Wii Development Kits
In the article it talks about the Wii only being made in white. Although that is true for the consumer market, the two development kits that Nintendo issues have red and green faceplates.

Reference: http://www.engadget.com/2006/09/15/wii-developer-kit-shot-in-the-wild-many-luigi-green-with-envy/ http://assemblergames.com/forums/showpost.php?p=260567&postcount=56

Should this be added in? And if so, can someone check the legality with Nintendo (http://www.warioworld.com) before it is posted? —Preceding unsigned comment added by The Legacy (talk • contribs) 08:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Development kits are almost always different colored than normal systems (so they can be identified as development kits). The average person will never get one (I think Nintendo would probably cancel a developers license to make Wii games if they gave away or sold their development kits).  TJ   Spyke   19:43, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

EH...
What happened to the quarter by quarter sales information from this page, i can't find it on other relevant pages aswell. What happened here? IAmTheCoinMan (talk) 13:45, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The Wii never had that. The DS and Game Boy Advance pages do, but not the Wii page.  TJ   Spyke   22:04, 7 March 2009 (UTC)
 * is the information available but? would be a good aditionIAmTheCoinMan (talk) 03:14, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Link to Wii Wiki on Wikia?
I have noticed that many pages link to external wikis and I was wondering if there was any reason why I shouldn't link to the Wii Wiki on Wikia. GT5162 (我的对话页) 21:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure that site passes WP:EL.  TJ   Spyke   21:40, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Wii sales down under
If I am not wrong the Wii sales are unknown in Austraila, why? Are there in sources to vertify the Wii sales in Austraila? mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 09:51, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nintendo puts Wii sales in 3 categories: "Japan", "North America", "Other". I think you can guess where Australia is (unless you are terrible at geography).  TJ   Spyke   16:46, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

45 Million
Here are several sites that list the updated Wii sales: - http://www.giantbomb.com/forums/general-discussion/30/2008-s-console-sales-nintendo-rules-microsoft-wins-sony-tries-/224691/ - http://www.edge-online.com/news/ms-360-life-date-sales-hit-28m - http://videogames.yahoo.com/feature/wii-sports-is-best-selling-game-ever/1276855 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xander756 (talk • contribs) 00:16, 7 January 2009 (UTC) - http://blog.mlive.com/manzero/2009/01/wii_sports_passes_super_mario.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by Xander756 (talk • contribs) 00:14, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The 45 million number comes from VG Chartz, which is not a reliable source. They BS their numbers, and per WP:VG should be avoided.  TJ   Spyke   00:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I find it hard to believe Aaron Greenberg uses VGChartz to keep track of his competition. Please list where it states he is guessing before reverting again (also, should you be reverting something that isn't vadalism?). --Xander756 (talk) 00:25, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Read the article again. The 45 million statement is not in quotations, meaning the writer of the article (Kris Graft) is stating the 45 million number. Greenberg only talks about Xbox 360 numbers and how far they are ahead of the PS3, he never mentions the Wii numbers. The 45 million number is BS and not true. Hell, take a look at your first source for proof its from VGC.  TJ   Spyke   00:35, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You are the one that said you have sources which are quoting Greenberg as guessing at this as the worldwide sales figure for the Wii. Now you are saying that he never said it at all? --Xander756 (talk) 00:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I was mistaken when I said that, I had read the original source too fast. I have checked again though (you should too), Greenberg never said that. It was Kris Graft who did. The 45 million number is definitely from VG Chartz, and we don't use their BS numbers.  TJ   Spyke   00:45, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well hey, if you want false and out-dated information then who am I to stand against the "person who made Wii a featured article". Obviously, you are right and I am wrong. That's why I always hate trying to edit articles on wiki that have people that watch over them because they have such arrogant egos that it's like they don't want any contributions to the article unless they make it or approve. Let me know when you create a video game and I'll be sure to check it out. --Xander756 (talk) 06:01, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * How is the current info false? It says 34.55 million as of September 30. That is right from Nintendo itself. It is better to have slightly out of date info that is TRUE and from a reliable source than to have BS info from a unreliable source.  TJ   Spyke   06:23, 7 January 2009 (UTC)

I would disagree, the 45 million is correct according to many reliable sources such as ign, gamestop, and gamespy —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metroid476 (talk • contribs) 00:38, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, they are just citing the same unreliable source: VG Chartz. The number is still false.  TJ   Spyke   00:47, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

then i think the question is why would more than three reliable sources cite an unreliable one? I think i even saw it on the featured section of cnn.com. However, i agree with you. any info on this topic should come from nintendo itself and not these unreliable sitesMetroid476 (talk) 03:55, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I only have theories (since you would have to ask them why, and hope they would actually answer). One is that they like reporting sales numbers and don't care where they come from. The second is that a subscription to NPD costs a lot of money (I don't remember the exact amount, but it's over $10,000 per month) and they may not want to spend that kind of money, especially sites that don't cover video games full time.  TJ   Spyke   04:06, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah I see the sales have been changed. Looks like I was right all along. I shall await your apology. --Xander756 (talk) 16:26, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, you were still wrong since VG Chartz is not a reliable source. Their guesses are once in awhile close. They are other times really far off, their December Wii numbers were wrong by more than 500,000 (which is which is a huge amount to be wrong by). It's not that hard to estimate where Wii sales will be since its sales are consistent.  TJ   Spyke   17:55, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's a towel. Wipe that egg off your face. --Xander756 (talk) 00:33, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There's no egg on my face. VH Chartz's guesses are sometimes close. Did you also ignore the fact that their December Wii numbers were wrong by more than 500 THOUSAND? I'm starting to think you are either ioi (the joke of a editor who runs the site) or work for the site.  TJ   Spyke   00:40, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I was permabanned from VGChartz for pointing out their numbers were inaccurate. --Xander756 (talk) 05:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * First off, you aren't permabanned, not anymore anyway. Second I think you're ban had more to do with you taunting everybody. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 06:07, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I still am unable to login so I guess I'm still banned. And to my knowledge, I was banned for posting comments on LBPs page requesting the numbers to be fixed. The comment was deleted several times so I kept posting it, because there's no reason to hide it. After awhile, I was banned. Anyway, it doesn't change the fact that I owned TJ Spyke! He was wrong and still can't admit it. Hahaha...silly wikipedian power trip.--Xander756 (talk) 16:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * This is your account, isn't it? Also about the LBP numbers, Kaz Hirai said "1.3 million unique users", not how many people bought the game. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 16:57, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Comparing with the official NPD numbers, LBP's sales in America are overtracked by several hundred thousand. --Xander756 (talk) 17:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't care what you think. You didn't own me. Am I supposed to be impressed that their guess was close? They are not a reliable site. They are also a joke when they are wrong, I loved the spin they tried make when their December numbers for Wii were off by more than 500 Thousand (and not the first time they have been wrong).  TJ   Spyke   17:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * If we were to eliminate every reliable source that has made a mistake, how many would we have left? Also, prove to me that NPD numbers are reliable. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 17:43, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That is a huge number to be off by, and it's far from the first time. As for NPD, how about the fact that every single game publisher uses NPD? The fact that NPD openly says what stores they track, how much they extrapolate, what their methods are, etc. while VG Chartz refuses to provide any info? That's like saying "prove to me Nielsen is reliable for album sales". Bottom line, NPD is reliable while VG Chartz isn't. Their numbers will not be allowed on this page and will be reverted as vandalism.  TJ   Spyke   17:47, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "NPD openly says what stores they track, how much they extrapolate, what their methods are" Would you kindly provide a link. I've never seen them doing it, or Media Create, or ChartTrack, etc. Also, Media Create, Famitsu and Dengeki disagree a lot of times, but I don't see you claiming one is reliable, while the others are not. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 18:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * ChartTrack almost never releases numbers, that's why we rarely have European data. Media Create and Famitsu are rival professional tracking services (not a wannabe fan site that makes up data). NPD: .  TJ   Spyke   18:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You and I have a different definition of openly. Might as well add this "VG Chartz estimated sell-through figures are arrived at by tracking sample data from an ever-expanding panel of retail partners and benchmarking the sample data against known reference points (manufacturer shipment figures for example).". Rhonin the wizard (talk) 18:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The fact that publishers use NPD though supports them. It's all a moot point anyways, VG Charzt is not allowed as a source on Wikipedia due to them being an unreliable source.  TJ   Spyke   18:22, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Codemasters have cited VGChartz. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 18:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * And Codemasters became a laughingstock on the Internet. Even VG Chartz said the 500K number for Dirt was shipped numbers and not sold (NPD uses actual sold numbers, meaning how many people buy the game). Considering that your favorite site said that the first week the game sold 290K in the US and Europe . Based on actual NPD numbers, it became clear that Codemasters just wanted to hype up the game to boost sales (the Xbox 360 version was only 20th in it's first month (and sales continued to be low).  TJ   Spyke   19:46, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That sure showed him! --Xander756 (talk) 17:25, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Not really I've been busy with university exams, sorry for the late reply. @TJ Spyke I don't really care for what reason Codemasters used the numbers. All publishers use sales numbers to hype their games. Some use spin and try to make their situation look better. Rhonin the wizard (talk) 17:35, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You are right about that. It was funny to see Sony say that the PlayStation "family" (meaning PS2, PS3, PSP combined) was #1 since the PS2 and PS3 were being outsold by the Wii and Xbox 360 and PSP outsold by DS, so they wanted to spin that somehow to help them.  TJ   Spyke   18:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't this be updated it is now almost mid-march 2009, clearly over 50 million have been sold.--Cooly123 (talk) 19:00, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't list what it "probably" is. We update when there is a reliable source. The last reliable source for total sales was the period ending December 31. I also doubt 5 million systems have been sold in only 2 months (especially since January and February are not big months in terms of sales numbers).  TJ   Spyke   19:08, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * An article on BBC News today puts sales as breaking the 50 million mark, quoting Nintendo's Satoru Iwata - Does that count as a reliable source or does it need to cite actual sales figures? sjwk (talk) 00:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * There is already a GameSpot reference in the article that reports the 50 million number (in the System Sales section). So it would probably be best to just use that ref.  TJ   Spyke   00:10, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, missed that one, sorry. Should the infobox be updated or does that only happen at end of a given sales period? sjwk (talk) 00:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's an official statement from Nintendo, so I guess it can be updated in the infobox. I'm not sure though.  TJ   Spyke   00:38, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Wii blocks to kilobytes
So, nobody even mentions Wii blocks in the article, which is the unit of measurement used by Nintendo for space. And don't quote a forum as a source! Does anybody know how many Wii blocks equals to how many kilobytes? Or even megabytes. And by the normal measurement, not this BS measurement of "maybe-bytes" or anything like that, because, working with computers for 30 years, nobody uses these Wikipedian forms of measurement that two users cooked up to confuse the world. MB = 1 megabyte, which is 1024 KB (kilobytes), etc. Mb and Kb are for kilobits, and a number like 800k means kilobytes. There are 8 bits per byte. In the gaming word of bits, 1000 bits equals a kilobit, etc. It doesn't go with the Microsoft forms of measurement, which the rest of computer world uses.

Now, take a 2 GB SD card. It has 15,000 blocks. Divide the actual, down to the byte capacity of that so-called 2 GB SD card, and that equals 15,000 Wii blocks. But since there's no accurate citation on it, that's just a guess. Coffee4binky (talk) 05:05, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

New criticism
I've found some articles mentioning the Wii's game library being much weaker than the other consoles. I also remember a scathing critic of the originality of the Wii itself(the processing power, the wiimote itself, etc). Is it okay to add them? YVNP (talk) 00:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * No. Not every single bit of criticism needs to go in. You could find similar complaints about the PS3 and Xbox 360 too.  TJ   Spyke   00:41, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Region-free?
Just wondering, is the Wii region-free or is it region-locked? Because I've been staring at Oboro Muramasa for about an hour today at a retail store. Haven't decided on picking up the game yet exactly because of the region question. Any ideas? (Psychoneko (talk) 14:27, 11 April 2009 (UTC))
 * Since I am in a good mood I won't chew you out for not reading the article (see Wii). The Wii is region-locked. You can get around that though if you have the Homebrew Channel (do a Google search if you don't know what that is).  TJ   Spyke   14:45, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I think region-lockout should be included in the info-box, it'd make it easier for people who are in a rush (like I was).  (Psychoneko (talk) 17:52, 11 April 2009 (UTC))

Gamecube Parental Controls
"Since the console is restricted to Nintendo GameCube functionality when playing Nintendo GameCube Game Discs, GameCube software is unaffected by Wii parental control settings."

Really, it's just that the Gamecube discs don't contain any rating information. If they wanted to, they could push a system update that implements it, storing the ratings of each game in the internal memory. I can't imagine that would take up too much space (they already waste it quite nicely anyway). 207.229.58.28 (talk) 22:47, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * What's your point? How does this help improve the article? - sesu  PRIME  22:50, 20 July 2009 (UTC)


 * The original statement can be read to imply that the GameCube had parental controls, but are disabled on the Wii because of the way the system is emulated. It may require a stretch to read it that way, but it is possible. BAPACop (talk) 00:06, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * GameCube discs weren't compatible with parental controls, which is why GameCube titles are unaffected by the Wii's parental controls. The IP was just saying he'd(?) like to see them retroactively applied to GameCube titles which, in my opinion, voilates WP:NOTAFORUM. - sesu  PRIME  00:49, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Legend to sales rank graph
In the 'Systems sales' section the graph of sales rank vs. time needs a color legend in the caption sating Amazon (blue) and Buy.com (green) - at the moment there is no way to distinguish the two lines. I can't make the edit myself due to protection. 144.173.5.197 (talk) 09:24, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

SD Card
The SD card information is wrong. You can't run apps directly from the SD card with the 4.0 update; the software is copied from the SD to the NAND and then executed, basically. The new cIOS38r14 is the first to enable the ability to actually run channel-type content from the SD card. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 161.165.196.84 (talk) 23:57, 30 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Most people reading the article don't have enough of a background in programming to have a clue what that means. I only know because I looked it up off-site after reading your post.  Perhaps it's better phrased the way it is, but if you think it needs changed, how would you phrase it so as not to confuse non-programmers? BAPACop (converse) 00:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Controler Input
Shouldn’t the Classic Controller, Nunchuck, and Motion Plus be included in the Controller Input. All theses devices provide controller input and are licensed by Nintendo. All of these controllers are used in Wii disk games Ex: Classic Controller-Super Smash Bros. Brawl, Nunchuk-Wii Sports, Motion Plus-Wii Sports Resort. These devices only use the Wii Remote as a transmitter. Regular mario (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:56, 9 August 2009 (UTC).
 * That is for the primary controller supported for the system, not every possible controller (otherwise they would be like 20 or 30 entries, stuff like all the different Guitar Hero/Rock Band controllers and driving wheels).  TJ   Spyke   14:10, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Some of the current controller inputs listed aren’t primary: Wii Balance Board, and Nintendo DS. I suggest the list to be: Wii Remote, Nunchuk, Gamecube Controller, Classic Controller. I consider these four controllers the primary ones. Regular mario (talk)
 * What do you mean not primary? Neither the Wii Balance Board nor Nintendo DS need to use the Wii Remote. The Nunchuk requires the Wii Remote, as does the Classic Controller. Both of those use the Wii Remote to control anything.  TJ   Spyke   17:25, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I mean not primary by: not very important. I now realize that you mean primary as having an independent transmitter. These devices have their own user to device input, but use the Wii mote as a transmitter. Does Controller Input refer to controller connectivity or input for game activity. There’s already a section for the Connectivity (Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, 2*USB 2.0).  Should the section Controller Input refer to devices that have these connection capabilities (including GameCube controller), such as the balance board and Nintendo DS which don’t support many games, or should the section Controller Input refer to mainly used input devices (regardless if they use the Wii mote as transmitter) such as the nunchuck (witch comes with every Wii console) and the classic controller. Regular mario (talk) 18:43, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Profits?
The Wii's lack of capabilities seems to indicate that Nintendo isn't trying to please their customers but focus on making profits due to their popularity. Wii lacks DVD playback, has VERY little memory space, and has no ethernet port. I'm not trying to be one-sided, but it should be noted that the Wii seems to be built around earning profits for Nintendo. ~Avery Segaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.9.25.22 (talk) 18:44, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, how is "seems...that Nintendo isn't trying to please their customers" not one-sided? You'll need a reliable source for anything you add to the article. And new sections on talk pages go at the bottom of the page, so I moved this section to the bottom. -sesuPRIME talk • contribs 19:07, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Site my source? You are on the Internet. Just look up 'cost to produce wii' on any search engine. Then look up the cost of producing PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360. Then, look up what each console offers, and you will see that Wii users get the short end of the stick. I'm not going to hold your hand. ~Avery Segaw  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.9.25.22 (talk) 16:33, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A source is needed for the overall observation, as well as the individual facts. just64helpin (talk) 16:46, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, but it was just a thought after looking it up...that's why I'm suggesting it on the talk page. You guys are acting like I already changed the article. ~Avery Segaw —Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.9.25.22 (talk) 16:52, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * "but it should be noted that the Wii seems to be built around earning profits for Nintendo" Er.. yes, you got it. :) --Conti|✉ 16:56, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, all I'm suggesting is that it should be mentioned (and validated with sources). ~Avery Segaw 168.9.25.22 (talk) 17:06, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It already says that in the System Sales section.  TJ   Spyke   19:00, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I think what they're trying to get at is it should state in the article that Wii is earning significant profits for Nintendo at the cost of features and equipment that customers could have. Things like an Ethernet port and larger memory would make sense. 75.76.116.114 (talk) 20:42, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * That kind of nonsense doesn't go in the article. A lot of people think the PS3 is tanking and in third place in most of the world because stuff like the BD-drive increase the costs to consumers (Sony is still losing money on the PS3 at $400 and that is why they aren't dropping the price), but that doesn't mean it goes in that article for the same reason.  TJ   Spyke   21:05, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

The issue brought up by Avery Segaw is a biased opinion and shouls never be used in this article. It cannot be proven that nintendo only wants profit based soley on the assertion that the wii is less technologically advanced. Lets compare a few things. The other consoles cost much more than a wii and are also more technologically advanced. If we think of this proportionally with the wii in mind, it comes out to be the same. Next, the value of a console cannot be characterized solely on hardware specification. It can be argued that the wii's intuitive controls make it worth the price that nintendo charges.

Finally, Avery Segaw wikipedia is not public forum to spread biased unverified opinion (your totally wrong anyway). If you want spread your bias then take your wining to a public forum where it belongs. By the way, saying "look it up on Google" is not a good way to prove your point. if you want to be taken seriously then slap a scholarly article in my face. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.188.251.131 (talk) 21:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wow, there's a way to say things, but that was [a bad] way to do it. Yes, Nintendo is making profits off Wii. No, we can't prove that they are taking advantage of their popularity to do so. I'm sorry, but we aren't putting anything suggested above in the article unless a valid source is given. Now let's put this matter behind us, please. 173.20.88.49 (talk) 03:47, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Please don't try and criticise Nintendo's advertising habits. They have a plain folks appeal and PlayStation 3 has a snob appeal. Simple as that. Ffgamera - My page! | Talk to me! | Contribs 09:24, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Sales
Have I missed something or are the sales figures not entirely up-to-date? The latest date I can find in the text under the "Sales Figures"-heading is March 25th. Are there any more recent figures to find somewhere? Broadbandmink (talk) 22:01, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Um, the article has the sales info up to June 30 (the latest confirmed info), where do you get March 25 from?  TJ   Spyke   22:10, 24 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Oh, missed that one. Sorry 'bout that. The March 25 note was found at the end of the third paragraph under the "Sales Figures"-heading. Broadbandmink (talk) 18:28, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Pricing?
Article should have pricing information. 68.8.99.245 (talk) 17:06, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
 * It does, see Wii.  TJ   Spyke   17:51, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Also it should be noted Wii is no longer the cheapest Seventh gen console, that record is now held by the Xbox 360. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 14:33, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
 * No this fact should not be noted -- See WP:NOPRICES. A historical launch prices to show the market conditions is generally tolerated.  Otherwise it better there better be a damn good reason for prices. -- KelleyCook (talk) 15:26, 21 September 2009 (UTC)


 * I'd also like to point out that pricing is noted at Wii launch. just64helpin (talk) 17:43, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Well, if there is a godamn god reason, then that is it. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 14:40, 22 September 2009 (UTC)


 * The wii is getting a price cut on Sunday: link to news article. 24.241.229.253 (talk) 16:25, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

I should use that infomation to edit this article. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 18:40, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

Best Selling Game
I'm not so sure if Wii Play should be on here. Wii Play usually comes bundled with the Wii Remote (at least in Australia). Should this be kept or no? And if kept, why? ♠&#39;&#39;&#39;EagleYS&#39;&#39;&#39; ♠ (talk) 00:05, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * First, you have it backwards. A Wii Remote comes included with the game, not the other way around. You are buying the game and getting a free controller with it. Second, why wouldn't it be included? It's a game and you are buying it, so it counts.  TJ   Spyke   00:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, so I was mistaken. I thought the game comes with the remote. Sorry! My mind tricks me sometimes. ♠&#39;&#39;&#39;EagleYS&#39;&#39;&#39; ♠ (talk) 01:34, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Technical specs
The internal wireless daughter card is a special Broadcom 4318 design with a SDIO host interface. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.190.186 (talk) 21:37, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a reliable source? Another Wiki is not even slightly reliable.  TJ   Spyke   23:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Does this other source seems more reliable to you? Initial Linux kernel commit adding support for the Nintendo Wii WLAN wireless daughter card —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.190.186 (talk) 22:41, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
 * What kind of proof do you need to believe that the Nintendo Wii WLAN card is a Broadcom 4318 with a SDIO host interface?
 * Let's try some evidences:
 * Teardown of a Nintendo Wii (InformIT article)
 * Figure 16 of said article, showing the DWM-W004 module displaying the FCC ID EW4DWMW004
 * FCC OET Exhibit List for FCC ID EW4DWMW004
 * ID Label for FCC ID EW4DWMW004
 * External photos for FCC ID EW4DWMW004
 * Internal photos for FCC ID EW4DWMW004 where the Broadcom 4318 chipset can be observed (BCM4318EKFBG)
 * My own Nintendo Wii WLAN specs as seen by Linux kernel:

MAC 00:1d:bc:62:79:fd [   1.401422] b43-sdio mmc1:0001:1: Chip ID 14e4:4318 [   1.406609] ssb: Core 0 found: ChipCommon (cc 0x800, rev 0x0D, vendor 0x4243) [   1.416423] ssb: Core 1 found: IEEE 802.11 (cc 0x812, rev 0x09, vendor 0x4243) [   1.426693] ssb: Core 2 found: PCI (cc 0x804, rev 0x0C, vendor 0x4243) [   1.436970] ssb: Core 3 found: PCMCIA (cc 0x80D, rev 0x07, vendor 0x4243) [   1.447659] b43-phy0: Broadcom 4318 WLAN found (core revision 9) [   1.489372] b43-phy0 debug: Found PHY: Analog 3, Type 2, Revision 7 [   1.500404] b43-phy0 debug: Found Radio: Manuf 0x17F, Version 0x2050, Revision 8  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.148.191.240 (talk) 22:55, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Wii in Japanese
Can someone explain why there is a question mark after the 3rd Japanese character of the name? The Wii ( ウィー? )--NinetyNineFennelSeeds (talk) 15:49, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If you notice, it's a link. If you hover your mouse over it, you will see that it's for a page explaining how to install a Japanese language viewer on your computer (so that the Japanese letters don't just show up as square boxes). It appears anytime someone uses the Japanese letters template.  TJ   Spyke   21:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks --NinetyNineFennelSeeds (talk) 21:14, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Wii does not support VGA output
The Wii does not support VGA output. The cable linked to in the article "proving" that it does output VGA is actually using (poor-quality) conversion circuitry inside, likely converting the RGBS used for SCART into RGBHV by splitting the sync signals. Otherwise there would be a first-party VGA cable.

69.8.25.169 (talk) 03:18, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for your claims, or are you just speculating?  TJ   Spyke   03:58, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

TV compatibility
Just a quick question: is the Wii able to connect to any tv, only LCD/Plasma TVs, only ones built after a specific year, or what ??

I know that this is not the place to ask my question, but I really need an answer and I can't think of any other place to ask this. 80.101.212.102 (talk) 16:03, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Any TV (as far as I know, i've never seen any reports of ant TV being incompatible).  TJ   Spyke   16:14, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * And does the TV's resolution matter? 80.101.212.102 (talk) 20:04, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * No, although the Wii only supports up to 480p. So even if you have a 1080p TV, the Wii games will only output 480i or 480p (or the PAL equivalent.  TJ   Spyke   21:30, 21 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks a lot =D 80.101.212.102 (talk) 22:18, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Bricking with 4.2
The newest update apparently bricks the Wii. Bricking occurs due to problematic boot2 early boot ROM rewriting bugs in Nintendo's code; some homebrew applications such as BootMii bring their own code due to this problem. As a result, non-homebrew, non-modified consoles occasionally completely fail on upgrade, in an unrecoverable manner. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 199.173.226.236 (talk) 16:22, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, is that why no major gaming site is reporting your claim (that they actually brick, the most I have seen are them reporting rumors)? From what I have seen, the ONLY Wii systems that have even been bricked from updates have been people who modded or in some other way messed with their system in a way they are not supposed to.  TJ   Spyke   16:27, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Or in much simpler words, WP:SOURCE? -- KelleyCook (talk) 18:15, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Thursday's episode of Attack of the Show! mentioned this fact during the Feed (it's at about 1:35), though not with as many technical details. - sesu  PRIME  05:13, 2 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Not to be rude, but so? I doubt the credibility of these reports, especially since they happen with just about every update. Most of the time it's from people who claim they didn't mod their system.  TJ   Spyke   16:03, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

My edit on the article was (righteously) removed and now it is locked, but there are really quite a lot of reports about it, also on non-hacked wiis. It's even admitted by nintendo. This is the text i entered (with improved references): September 28, 2009, Nintendo released system update 4.2, which has the purpose of deleting "unauthorized channels or firmware", more specifically the homebrew channel. This update causes some Wii's to become completely unresponsive (or brick), allegedly even units that don't have any unauthorized software installed. The problem was admitted by a Nintento technician. PizzaMan (talk) 09:40, 16 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Here's the thing. All that technician is saying is that a very tiny amount of people are having problems (which is normal for ANY software update from any company) and that most of those can be fixed with simple troubleshooting over the phone. These sorts of claims get made every time the Wii/PS3/360 get firmware upgrades, there is no actual proof that any significant amount of people had their Wii's bricked.  TJ   Spyke   14:57, 16 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Mine bricked. I just sent to Nintendo and paid for the shipping. All fixed. No mods, no hacks, nothing. It just bricked. It happens to a small amount, according to the customer service rep. on 800-255-3700. Coffee5binky (talk) 05:03, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Wii 2?
Hey shouldn't we add the Wii 2 rumour to the page? Some have said it's coming out in 2011. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Smalln (talk • contribs) 21:14, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No.  TJ   Spyke   21:30, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds like something that should be added to the FAQ. « ₣M₣ »  21:53, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * If you find a Reliable Source that talks about it, then sure. Blake (Talk·Edits) 00:16, 4 October 2009 (UTC)


 * User Blake is correct, I reliable source is needed. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 15:54, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

It should not be added at all unless someone who works for Nintendo says it. Everyone else is just assuming based on the fact that every Nintendo system has come out 5 years after its predecessor. -Zomic13 (talk) 07:15, 14 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, not EVERY system. The SNES came out 6 years after the NES (7 years for Famicom vs. Super Famicom). The N64 came out 6 years after the Super Famicom. I agree with your point though, right now there is nothing but speculation based on the average time period of 5/6 years between console releases.  TJ   Spyke   22:04, 14 October 2009 (UTC)


 * User TJ Spyke is correct. mcjakeqcool Mcjakeqcool (talk) 14:46, 15 October 2009 (UTC)


 * American release years for Nintendo consoles are as follows (this doesn't include test markets, as those are not wide-spread releases): NES - 1986, SNES - August 1991, N64 - Sep. 1996, GameCube - Nov. 2001, Wii - July (?) 2006. That's five years per system per official release. If going by Japanese release dates, the it's FamiCom - 1983, Super Famicom - 1990, N64 - 1996, GameCube - 2001, and Wii - 2006. If you want sources, I have shelves of old GamePros, EGMs, Nintendo Powers, Next Generations, Die Hard Game Fans, etc. to go through. Try searching for RetroMags to view some of these old magazines as well, if that site keeps it up. Coffee5binky (talk) 05:08, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Is it even a rumour any more? I can't tell if this is fake, but this says that it is due out Q3 2010.

Hi i'm new here but by the looks of it this does not seem to be from a reliable source, plus nintendo has indicated that they don't intend on replacing wii anytime soon Renji2080 (talk) 08:57, 29 October 2009 (UTC) Renji2080

It's fake, nintendo wont be dropping Wii anytime soon, (2011 at the earliest if you ask me) and plus, Nintendo would;ve released info by now, AND Sony cooperate with Nintendo? Not likely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Noskap (talk • contribs) 09:03, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a possibility, and would be an awesome thing. But why replace the Wii with a successor when it's doing so good? And Sony ha no real competition against Nintendo. Nintendo doesn't really want to compete with Sony, so they could collaborate. Plus, a Nintendo of France marketing employee said this.

I'm telling you, this could be the new PS3 Slim rumor. However, I don't think we should add it. If someone does, then he/she should put "unspeculated rumor" next to the statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.95.30 (talk) 02:57, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Except the PS3 slim rumors only started after pictures of the system leaked from the factory in China that was manufacturing them. There's nver been any indication that Nintendo is working on a redesigned Wii.  TJ   Spyke   15:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Rumours should never be added, please read WP:crystal ball. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Megaman en m (talk • contribs)
 * That is not entierly true. WP:CRYSTAL states that we can't add unsourced speculation and not that rumors can't be mention provided reliable sources have covered them. I am not saying that the Wii 2 rumors should be added at this time but simply that WP:CRYSTAL does not say rumors can never be mentioned.--76.71.212.174 (talk) 05:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

"Artik from Logic-Sunrise.com has regularly provided news to MaxConsole and has a lot of 'insider' contacts." It could be enough proof. Plus it was by a Nintendo of France employee. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.88.95.30 (talk) 01:23, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

they need to add the new wii controller wii motion plus —Preceding unsigned comment added by Meatbal49  (talk • contribs)  22:26, December 18, 2009 (UTC)

Best-selling unbundled game
The article states Wii Play is the best-selling unbundled game but it comes bundled with a remote. So while it's not bundled with a console, it's still a title that is not bought for it own means. Thus, there should be another game listed that comes next in line. 134.95.193.43 (talk) 11:29, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Wrong. A Wii Remote comes bundled with the game, not the other way around (you are buying the game and get a free controller with it). Not to mention that "bundled" means system, not peripherals (which would also disqualify Wii Fii, Wii Sports Resort, Guitar Hero series, Rock Band series, etc.).  TJ   Spyke   22:04, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
 * First of all, thank you for your welcoming and polite way of discussion. You are by no doubt making people want to contribute to Wikipedia in a constructive way. NOT.
 * Secondly, please read what I wrote. And try understanding it too. I already mentioned Wii Play is not bundled with the console. But people primary buy it because of the remote. FACT.
 * But who am I to make recommendations, right? Sorry, I won't bother you again. 134.95.193.43 (talk) 09:36, 26 November 2009 (UTC)
 * "But people primary buy it because of the remote." Uh-huh, so you have spoken to all 24+ million people who have bought the game? It's not a fact, it's your OPINION, please learn the difference. I was polite and explained the facts to you, I don't care what you think of men and I don't car if you you disagree with the facts since I was just being polite by replying in the first place. Wii Play is not a bundled game.  TJ   Spyke   15:37, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Wiimakes Wiimakes Wiimakes
Not gonna include the criticism of Wii only ever making remakes? This topic might be remade to get rid of the sarcasm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.132.227.179 (talk • contribs)
 * A site here or there complaining doesn't mean squat. Besides, not every little criticism is noteworthy (otherwise all 3 consoles would be nothing but criticism). It would have to be extremely widespread to even have a chance at being added.  TJ   Spyke   15:43, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Ah, that's why I miss three to five major magazines reporting the info. Today, many sites, aside from like GameSpy, IGN, or GameSpot, are ran by people, not major press media corporations.

Also, I'm not sure what "Wiimakes" are, as it seems the same game, Doom, has be remade a thousand times over on the Xbox, PS2, Xbox 360, PS3 and PSP, not to mention computers. (Yeah, that's a jab at first-person shooters.) But essentially, each Doom-clone after Doom is trying to out-Doom Doom, and it, ergo, Doom over and over again. And if it's about, say, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, well, that's a sequel to New Super Mario Bros. for the DS, which is a sequel to the Mario games in general, or to Super Mario Land 2 on Game Boy (depending on perspective). So, again, what is a "Wiimake"? Coffee5binky (talk) 05:18, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Decline added, expansion needed
I added the decline section, can anyone expand it please? StevenMario (talk) 22:22, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Please explain why you think the section is even needed. First, all 3 systems have seen declines this year (and video games in general). Second, the Wii only went from record-selling numbers to normal numbers. The Wii is still beating the competition (the only time PS3 outsold Wii in North America was September, and that was because of the PS3 pricecut. In Japan, the PS3 has only outsold the Wii on some weeks). Your wording also said the Wii was in "danger" of losing it's #1 spot. Considering that the Wii has a 25 MILLION lead on its closest competitor, the Wii is not in any danger of losing its spot. The Wii could stop selling today and it would take the Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3 a couple of years to catch up. I have fixed up the section a little, but I don't think it's needed at all TBH. Going from record-breaking numbers to normal numbers is not a decline. That's like saying Usain Bolt is declining if he competes in a race and fails to break a record.  TJ   Spyke   22:57, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree. Every system from the NES to the PlayStation will see sales declines later on in its life, I don't see why the Wii needs a "sales decline" section. Also, another reason why Wii sales are decreasing is beceause so many people have bought the system, sales have reached its saturation point, so naturally they will decline eventually.Commandr Cody (talk) 23:54, 27 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd also like to point out that the Wii article already has a "System sales" section. Details on declining sales would be best placed there instead of creating a redundant section with overlapping information. just64helpin (talk) 00:39, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Decline has to be added because the section isn't only about sales, but effects on Nintendo's profit, failures that started the decline, etc. StevenMario (talk) 15:35, 28 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Once again, the "decline" is clearly related to system sales; creating a separate "Decline" section is misleading, especially considering the information currently in it. just64helpin (talk) 15:56, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

The decline section isn't need. If you put it in the Wii article, then be fair and put it in the PS3 and XBox sections as well (or any other game system for that matter), as both systems have had fluctuating sales spanning any period of time - it's just sales trends and nothing more. The decline section is misleading in that the reader could easily assume there was some kind of Wii crash which just has not happen; not to mention the Wii still sells better than the PS3 and XBox 360. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.92.5.48 (talk) 17:37, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree with the others on stating why the decline section is not needed in this article. The recession has the hit the video game industry, I agree, but that information should be posted on an article like history of video gaming or something like that. Magiciandude (talk) 21:54, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

I replaced the recent addition to give it a more neutral demeanor and since some stuff was taken out of context. I'm not too proficient in writing about "System sales", but I think it gets the job done for the most part. If anyone is interested in continuing, here's everything I gathered that can help     (StevenMario's revision had some good sources too) ...then it would be complete. For now. ;) « ₣M₣ »  16:20, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, the section is entirely unnecessary. Reach Out to the Truth 22:59, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, the Wii is beating almost 2-to-1 in sales numbers compared to the PS3 and 360 currently. Check a two-week old article over at GameSpot.com/News and there's an interview with some Nintendo marketing VP who throws numbers out left and right. Before I read that, and was confirmed by the sales numbers of GameCrazy store chain (I can't site a physical hard copy at a store, sorry), Wii is still selling. In fact, Black Friday, the Wii was sold out of GameCrazy and Walmarts in the Las Vegas area (info was told to me the next day). Anyways, I'm not going to put any of this in the article, as I don't have citation I can share, and I don't think either GameCrazy nor Walmart corps. want their internal company documents to become Wikipedia sources. Coffee5binky (talk) 05:14, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

And Nintendo announced that they sold over 500,000 Wii units over Thanksgiving. Some decline. Commandr Cody (talk) 02:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Back on top in Japan (remains at #1 WW).
The Wii outsold the PS3 by almost 2:1 last week in Japan.


 * NDS   113.793  |    111.532  |  3.444.931  |  28.564.566  |


 * WII    106.555  |     46.673  |  1.419.425  |   8.898.402  |


 * PSP     71.292  |     42.648  |  1.980.862  |  13.338.965  |


 * PS3     57.782  |     46.558  |  1.341.811  |   3.964.279  |


 * 360       5.314  |      3.685  |    347.257  |   1.176.694  |


 * PS2       2.277  |      2.057  |    197.433  |  21.596.962  |

Two weeks earlier the situation was the same:

NDS |    111.532  |    137.674  |  3.331.118  |  28.450.773  |

WII |     46.673  |     32.844  |  1.312.870  |   8.791.847  |

PS3 |     46.558  |     34.752  |  1.284.029  |   3.906.497  |

PSP |     42.648  |     37.326  |  1.909.570  |  13.267.673  |

360 |      3.685  |      4.085  |    341.943  |   1.171.380  |

PS2 |      2.057  |      2.024  |    195.156  |  21.594.685  |

I don't get why we should talk about decline in sales...

Also, the situation in the USA for the last 2 months:

October 2009

Reporting Period: 10/4 - 10/31/09

PlayStation 2 117.8K

PlayStation 3 320.6K PSP 174.6K

Xbox 360 249.7K Wii 506.9K

Nintendo DS 457.6K

November 2009

Reporting Period: 11/1 - 11/28/09

PlayStation 2 203.1K

PlayStation 3 710.4K

PSP 293.9K

Xbox 360 819.5K

Wii 1.26M

Nintendo DS 1.70M

I believe that the "decline" part should be removed. The Wii is still selling VERY well. Please, do edit, someone! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.129.219.253 (talk) 01:16, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Emulator in the Software library
In the very end of the section of Software Library it states "A partial emulator called "Dolphin" has been developed." I don't see any relevance in how that relates to Nintendo's software library. On top of that, it was first and still is predominately a Gamecube emulator so therefore existed long before the Wii. The phrasing of the sentence makes it seem like it was created for the Wii. And on top of that, it isn't a partial emulator. It can very well some games at full speed. Since the article is semi-locked, I feel the little section has no business in that section of the Wii wiki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.173.12.76 (talk) 20:42, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

amzon buy.com
is this file; File:Wii-sales-rank-amazon.com-buy.com-holidays-2008.png really necessary/relevant for the article?., or am i the only one who finds it quite confusing? Ottawa4ever (talk) 13:54, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, I don't understand its relevance. If it's meant to exemplify how the Wii is a strong seller during holidays, I think a word or two in the main body of text will do the trick. 89.27.11.236 (talk) 10:15, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the text already makes that part clear and it only represeants one year out of many. I will remove it for now unless someone objects by reversion Ottawa4ever (talk) 17:32, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Procedure to Play
Please add the "procedure to play" to this article. Then it will be perfect.--59.55.218.98 (talk) 06:19, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * "Procedure to play"? What's that supposed to be?  TJ   Spyke   23:44, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point User TJ Spyke, I think by this link all I can say is go figure. A5051790463174 (talk) 13:59, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Wii article flaw
In the article Wii. It says in the information that up to 16 controllers can connect to the Nintendo Wii through blue tooth. It cites that from pg 28 in the instruction Manuel. I looked inside the manuel and it says nothing about that.Page 28 talks about connecting the nunchuck. I am positive the wii can only connect 4 wii remotes otherwise why would a Wii balance board take the place of 2 wii remotes when playing. I believe that should be edited to only 4 slots. If it is true I would like to see the source. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Frauf24 (talk • contribs) 05:16, 7 March 2010 (UTC)

Nintendo end of year results
With updated sales figures. Please revise Wii Play and Wii Sports sells to 26.71 and 60.69 million units sold respectively. http://www.irwebcasting.com/100129/86/98457542e5/index.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.218.113.232 (talk • contribs)

Wii Netflix Support
In the article, there is no Mention of the Current netflix Support. Could someone add this? Citation: http://blog.netflix.com/2010/04/netflix-now-available-on-wii-console.html

Comment added by Meschuchan

Black wii
Nintendo Week had announced a few weeks ago that the wii now comes in black. Should the black wii be noted?SeanWheeler (talk) 00:33, 20 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The black Wii is already mentioned in the article. just64helpin (talk) 13:19, 20 May 2010 (UTC)

Wii getting Blu-ray
As User Blake once said, a reliable source is needed Kenneth Walters Kenneth Walters (talk) 12:37, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Was someone trying to add unsourced information about that? Useight (talk) 14:21, 23 May 2010 (UTC)
 * In the past some Ips have tried but reverting stopped there nonsense from comeing onto wikiedia Kenneth Walters Kenneth Walters (talk) 14:36, 23 May 2010 (UTC)

Development Kits
Hi, just wanted to know if the names of the official SDKs used to create Wii games could be brought in this article? I reckon that talking about the details could perhaps be sued by the Nintendos, but I don't believe telling their names to be illegal? This article states the "Unity" as the official SDK, yet somewhere on the net it is said to be the "Revolution SDK", and let alone all unofficial Dev Kits and engines. I understand this article is almost well-written, but it probably needs a total, however brief, disambiguation concerning the SDKs, men. I await the owners' reply. Thol Garanin (talk) 19:43, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Sources?
I don't think the source for the Wii sales in the first paragraph of the article is accurate, can someone confirm? Maybe i'm just reading it incorrectly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.14.38.119 (talk) 08:49, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Pending changes
This article is one of a small number (about 100) selected for the first week of the trial of the Pending Changes system on the English language Wikipedia. All the articles listed at Pending changes/Queue  are being considered for level 1 pending changes protection.

The following request appears on that page:

However with only a few hours to go, comments have only been made on two of the pages.

Please update the Queue page as appropriate.

Note that I am not involved in this project any more than any other editor, just posting these notes since it is quite a big change, potentially.

Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 20:49, 15 June 2010 (UTC).

Red Wii
I learned about a new console called the Red Wii. Will this come after the Wii in the sequence NES, SNES, N64, Gamecube, Wii?? Georgia guy (talk) 17:50, 22 October 2010 (UTC)


 * Um, it's just a Wii that has a red case; it isn't new hardware or anything. As such, it is already part of the list as part of the "Wii" entry.  Alphathon ™ ( talk ) 18:02, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Hardware
The article states that "The console also features a recurring design theme: the console itself, SD cards, the power supply and all the sockets have one of their corners chipped off in a triangular fashion." This may be true, but SD cards having one corner chipped off has nothing to do with Nintendo aesthetics. This shape is common to all SD cards, and thus including it in a list of Nintendo design decisions seems a little strange. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.168.120 (talk) 23:55, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from MeleeDude, 17 April 2011
I request that


 * successor=

on line 41

be changed to


 * successor=Project Cafe

Source: http://wii.ign.com/articles/116/1162045p1.html

from IGN.com, a reputable video game site.

MeleeDude (talk) 01:44, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * As I said on that talk page, I'm not sure if "Project Cafe" deserves a whole article on it yet. Plus, I don't really think that we can use IGN's article on how they got this name from "[their] sources".  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 02:20, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done  EBE123  talkContribs 14:15, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Deletion of Successor section
With Nintendo's official announcement of Project Cafe, I suggest that the Successor section should be deleted. Since the the Project Cafe article was originally in danger of being deleted since it was all based on rumors and conjecture, its existence could be justified, but now that it's official, it's pretty much outlived its usefulness, especially considering the length of the Wii article and the redundancy of the information. This article is about the Wii, NOT its successor. None of the other Nintendo console articles has detailed information about its successor, why should Wii? If the reader wants to find out about the next Nintendo console, they should go to the Project Cafe article, not Wii. Richiekim (talk) 22:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. Details should be included in the Project Cafe article. A entire section in this article takes the focus off the Wii. --Jtalledo (talk) 23:00, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Needs to be mentioned somewhere. Are the two sentences in this article currently too much coverage? To clarify, no one has restored the whole section you deleted, just the end. So what's the problem? Rehevkor ✉  23:04, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Project Cafe is already listed as successor in the infobox. I believe that should be sufficient. If it must mentioned in the Wii article, a sentence could possibly be put in the opening paragraph. It doesn't need its own section. Richiekim (talk) 23:09, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * As I said, it needs to be mentioned in the article somewhere, it's still an important factor in the Wii's history. Where it goes however, should be a matter of consensus. I don't think the entry in the infobox would be sufficient, "Project Café" has not even been confirmed as the code name of the successor by Nintendo yet as far as I can make out. Rehevkor  ✉  23:21, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

It still deserves an area in this article, but a small section. What is there right now (or most recently if it's taken out at the moment) is far too long. Sergecross73  msg me   23:42, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really see how 2 sentences is too long, but I also don't think it really needs to say anything about the playable units at E3 - they only really relate to the device itself, not its "successorhood" to the Wii. To put it another way, the fact that it exists is relevant, the E3 stuff is not. Of course when more info becomes available, some other relevant stuff (like Wii back. compat. or how it relates to the Wii's life-cycle/discontinuation) could be added as well, but we don't have that info yet (at least not confirmed, it's all rumour), so I say just keep the first sentence for now.  Alphathon  /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ( talk ) 00:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I was refering to it's form here, when it was a number of paragraphs: I forget how quickly some articles change... Sergecross73   msg me   00:42, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree that the old version was a too long for this article but the current version should be short enough to avoid being a problem.--76.66.182.228 (talk) 02:31, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 206.244.78.5, 27 April 2011
In the Predecessor section, please make "Nintendo GameCube" a link to the page for that system.

206.244.78.5 (talk) 16:38, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * There's really no need to. It's linked almost immeadiately before the predecessor section.  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 16:50, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
 * (edit conflict - you beat me to it, Stick Man!) Not necessary. It's linked directly above, in the backwards compatibility area. There is no reason to include 2 links to the exact same article right next to each other. Only one link is necessary. Sergecross73   msg me   16:53, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

Sales, March 2011
I just read on vchartz, that on an article about project cafe, nintendo announced they had sold 86.01 million consoles, as of the end of march. Heres the link http://gamrfeed.vgchartz.com/story/85781/nintendo-officially-confirms-wii-successor/

Luke Farrelly-Spain (talk) 12:08, 25 April 2011 (UTC)


 * VG Chartz is not considered a reliable source for Wikipedia, so cannot be used (their methods are poor at best and have been proven to be wrong on many occasions - you might want to get sales data from elsewhere). However, other, reliable, sources have also reported on it and there is a press release from Nintendo themselves, so I have fixed the article using that as a source.  Alphathon  /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ( talk ) 12:18, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I have replaced the source with this from Cnet. Rehevkor ✉  12:20, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I've updated the article to include the figures Nintendo just released through 2011-06-30. You're welcome to replace that with some news site once they all pick up the new Nintendo figures, but I'll only find it in October if this article still shows up in the backlinks for consolidated_sales_e1103.pdf. BTW, someone may want to go through and fix the references that are just bare links to be formatted better, and check the PDFs references from your neat little table for dead links. I know a number of the historical PDFs formerly at URLs  are archived at WebCite. Maybe I will later, if I find time. Anomie⚔ 11:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Copy Protected Save Files
I don't see this mentioned anywhere in the article but the WII Copy Protects most save files which is a big deal for most gamers as they loose all their data if the WII breaks. The only way around it it hacking the WII which can void the warranty(or worse damage the WII). Some of the copy protected saves include Sonic Colors, Sonic and the Black Knight, Super Smash Bros Brawl, and Mario Kart. Pyrolord777 (talk) 22:06, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
 * A reliable source need to be provided for content before it can be added. Can you provide evidence that any mainstream gaming sites have addressed this issue.--76.66.182.228 (talk) 02:22, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Its hard to find a topic where Nintendo openly discourses this but its been stated by just about everyone else. Here are some pages I've found about it if they are of any use.

http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/downloads/WiiOpMn_setup.pdf (view page 19, this is the only area where I could find Nintendo mentioning the copy protection) http://wiisave.com/forums/discussion/308/howto-installcopy-noncopyable-saves-to-your-sd/ http://wiibrew.org/wiki/StartPatch#Features_Of_v4.3.x http://speeddemosarchive.com/kb/Save_Managers#Nintendo_Wii Pyrolord777 (talk) 19:08, 25 May 2011 (UTC)


 * The most-used application for this purpose is the Gecko OS homebrew, which does not void one's hardware. The info can be found here where they state as early as their 1.07 patch their capability to save copy-protected files. 71.204.2.13 (talk) 16:53, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Pyro, you say that this is a "big deal for most gamers". First of all, "most gamers" are, in fact, not affected by this, or else many major gaming news sites (no, it doesn't have to be from Nintendo) would have said something about it. Second of all, even if this issue did affect many of them, what matters to gamers does not decide what goes into this article.  TheStickMan  [✆Talk] 17:02, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Wii stats unit change
In the banner near the top of the page it says that the Wii has shipped 86.01 million units as of March 31, 2011. Further down, in the article, it says that the Wii has sold 86.01 million units as of March 31, 2011. The linked www.cnet.com article states that Nintendo announced that it had sold that number of units. Could we get someone to fix this discrepancy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.16.251.16 (talk) 21:37, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

European redesign
Shouldn't the upcoming Wii redesign for the European market be referenced in the article? A link describing the redesign can be found here | here. If nothing else, the removal of GameCube compatibility seems rather noteworthy. A second article | found here states that the redesign will not be released in the United States.67.84.174.130 (talk) 06:07, 19 August 2011 (UTC)


 * It already is mentioned briefly at the bottom of the Hardware section. It could probably do with being expanded though.  Alphathon  /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ( talk ) 17:50, 19 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, it looks like it already was.  Alphathon  /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ( talk ) 18:01, 19 August 2011 (UTC) Or not, I was confusing it with something else.  Alphathon  /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ( talk ) 18:04, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

I have a question that is somewhat related to this but it's on the black Wii that is/was being sold in Europe or UK. I want to upload a picture of the black Wii and replace the article's image with this black Wii image. I am new to uploading images, especially images that might or might not have copyright issues, so will someone upload it if it's allowed? I know there really is no need to change the picture, but since the other two consoles are updated with some recent versions, I felt that this image should be switched as well. Please let me know about this and what you guys think. - M0rphzone (talk) 02:41, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * That is clearly either a Nintendo promo image or a derivative of multiple promo images. As such it is not free and cannot be uploaded if a free image is available instead (which we have). Also, that's just a black Wii (which are available globally), not the recently announced redesign (which is designed to sit horizontally and doesn't come with a stand) - this isn't a redesign, but simply a different version, and so doesn't need to be pictured (at least not in the infobox). It should also be noted that the redesign isn't replacing the original-style Wii (it may be in Europe, I don't know, but elsewhere in the world its release hasn't even been announced).  Alphathon  /'æl.f'æ.θɒn/ ( talk ) 03:52, 1 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes it isn't a redesign (I just added this comment here because I didn't want to create a new section and I thought this might be related), but I don't see why other articles such as the xbox 360, ps3 ones use images for newer versions from the original release. If this is a newer version, then we ought to update the image as well (if someone has a free one...). - M0rphzone (talk) 06:06, 2 October 2011 (UTC)


 * Just the fact that the black one came out later doesn't mean it's a better picture for the infobox. There is a big difference between a colour variant of a console and a redesign. A single colour can be assumed to representative of all versions unless there is some reason to suggest otherwise, and in such cases the "standard" colour is preferable. For the Wii, the black and white versions (and the red one for that matter) are sold alongside each other simultaneously, and the white one is the "standard" version (with the black coming later and the red being limited to bundles I think). As such, the white version is more representative of the Wii both as a whole (that's what it's been like from the beginning) and in its current form than the black version is.


 * Also, in the 360 infobox we have a glossy 250 GB Xbox 360 S, which has since been replaced with a matte version (along with the matte 4 GB model). While a pic of the matte version would probably be preferable (since it has replaced it; this isn't the case for the black Wii) this doesn't mean we can use a non-free image instead.


 * If you were to take a photo of equal or greater quality to the one we have at the moment that includes both black and white versions, that'd be OK I suppose, but otherwise, there's no reason to change it. We already have a great image that is representative of the Wii, and changing it to a black version would be less representative. Even if that weren't the case though, a non-free image is a no-no.


 *  Alphathon  /'æɫfə.θɒn/ ( talk ) 10:09, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

The Launchdate for the Reconfigured Model in Europe (currently says December 2011) seems wrong to me. At least here in Germany it is already available since October 7th. German News Article with picture: http://www.inside-digital.de/news/17289.html German Amazon where you can already buy the new Redesign: http://www.amazon.de/Nintendo-Wii-Plus-Konsole-schwarz/dp/B005NAC7QC/ref=sr_1_5?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1318525213&sr=1-5&tag=zanoxde2728420a-21 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nflaahgra (talk • contribs) 10:06, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

South Korea and Taiwan launch dates in 2008?
In the Launch section, were the launch dates in South Korea and Taiwan really in 2008, or was it 2007, the year after North American release? I can't believe those countries waited 1-1/2 more years for the Wii. 174.114.104.69 (talk) 20:21, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

Not all Wii backwards compatiable
The article should be updated to reflect this 64.9.146.171 (talk) 15:02, 21 November 2011 (UTC)


 * I second this...the article needs updating by someone with knowledge regarding the different versions (black? blue? whatever?) of the console. -Grammaticus Repairo (talk) 17:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
 * It's known as the "family edition" and is already covered at the end of the hardware section. I admit more information could probably be added though.  Я ehevkor ✉  01:54, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it needs to also be outlined in the Backward compatibility section as well http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii#Backward_compatibility 64.9.146.171 (talk) 05:17, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone added this but I have added a clarification - from reading the sources it's just a few bundles that have this new Wii - nothing indicates the original iteration has been discontinued.  Я ehevkor ✉  23:53, 22 November 2011 (UTC)
 * There seems to be some confusion about these new Wii bundles and no conclusive information on Nintendo's own website. I have received several emails on this subject from visitors to my own website. This has prompted me to produce a table summarizing all Wii bundles (from Nintendo) and their major components. Feel free to use this information if you find it useful 09:52, 05 December 2011 (UTC)  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.254.237 (talk)

Wii in Movies
I'm surprised that no one mentions Vector playing a Wii-like device in the movie Despicable Me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.166.249.176 (talk) 05:02, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Wii sold stats inaccuracy
The linked document here:

http://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/library/historical_data/pdf/consolidated_sales_e1109.pdf

which is used as a citation for the Wii total sales amount, from Nintendo, suggests at the bottom that the total life sales for the Wii as of September 2011 are 75,254,000, not the 86 or 90 million referenced in this article. Perhaps this can be corrected/investigated further. Apologies if I've somehow inaccurately read the source.

-MDF — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.249.241 (talk) 04:58, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note that in Japan, large numbers are often quoted in units of 10,000, rather than 1,000 or 1,000,000 as is usually done in Western culture. Here this is explicitly indicated at the top of the PDF file where it says "units in ten thousands". The "75,254" you see at the end of the Wii section is clearly labeled as Software (not Hardware) sales, and represents 75,254 * 10,000 = 752,540,000 units. The number "8,936" is the Hardware sales number, and represents 8,936 * 10,000 = 89,360,000 units. Anomie⚔ 15:46, 31 December 2011 (UTC)

Wii family edition Europe bundles
In Portugal theres a black wii mario kart bundle with a black wii wheel too.T-oliveira (talk) 01:23, 22 January 2012 (UTC) http://i39.tinypic.com/fx4c3n.jpg

Wii's Third Party Support
I believe this part in the "Software" section:

"Nintendo has received strong third party support from prominent companies like Ubisoft, Sega, Square Enix, Activision Blizzard, Electronic Arts, and Capcom, with more games being developed exclusively for Wii than for the PlayStation 3 or Xbox 360."

...is completely misleading.

The third party support was not as strong as the 360/PS3 (this may sound like an opinion but this is a fact, many games were not released and are still not being released for the Wii).

I get the exclusives part (as the Wii does have a lot of exclusives, though maybe not for great reasons). Either way, I think the message above should be added. Nintendo did not get strong third party support, no matter how you cut it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MightyPwned (talk • contribs) 23:23, 24 January 2012 (UTC)

Wii Shop
On the Wii Shop, you could buy apps such as games, etc. You could do this with Wii Points and for free. Most games which are free, are demos. You could put points on your Wii by using a credit card or buying a Wii Points card and typing the code into the Wii.

When doing this process, you will need a high Wifi connection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pizza103 (talk • contribs) 16:46, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Wii Hardware Changes
The Wiis produced after November 2011 no longer have the Gamecube ports. See http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wii/en_na/gi_system.jsp > Wii Console > Difference Between the Models of Wii Consoles

Besides removing support for gamecube controllers, third party peripherals that rely on the port can no longer function

rubah (talk) 00:09, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Table Formatting
Does anyone else think it would be useful to tabulate the data in the Hardware stats section? It would be easier to scan that way — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rubah (talk • contribs) 00:10, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Tech specs unnecessary
I don't see a need for the bevy of tech specs listed in their own section. Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. Technical information that might be of general interest (storage, connectivity, release date, etc.) is already listed in the infobox. There's simply no need to list minutia such as the power consumption of the console in different modes. Those interested in part numbers and manufacturer names can find that information on any number of fan sites. Perhaps most troubling is this speculative sentence: "None of the clock rates have been confirmed by Nintendo, IBM or ATI." Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation.

The specs seem to be retained simply for the sake of continuity. If I remember correctly, those tech specs have remained there since they were leaked in 2006. Thoughts? Rakkuroba (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, tech specs are of limited interest to a general audience, but I am certain that many more users do not feel the same way. So removing the specs would probably cause a bit of an argument. --Jtalledo (talk) 00:30, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Minor Edits
The second paragraph states, "For example, the primery wireless controller, the Wii Remote, can be used as a handheld pointing device and detects movement in three dimensions." Please correct the spelling. It is primary, not primery. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.186.195.240 (talk) 05:07, 31 May 2012 (UTC)
 * ✅. Likesorange (talk) 21:43, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 15 June 2012
Category:Video game terminology

ABunnell (talk) 00:39, 15 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Not appropriate here or any of the multiple other articles you've tried to add it to. —C.Fred (talk) 00:45, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Article issues
It looks like there are a number of issues here with the sourcing--not sure if this should keep its featured status. "Backward compatibility" is tagged as outdated, and is mostly uncited. "Successor", "Wii Family Edition", "Wii Remote", and a couple paragraphs of "Hardware" are uncited, as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:06, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Gamewise
Can we add the Gamewise page under external links?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by TommyH.75 (talk • contribs) 02:26, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

So far it seems like you are just posting links to increase the SEO of the site, any reason why that isn't the case? RyanQuinlan (talk) 02:40, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * You might want to look at WP:ELNO. Out of curiosity, why exactly do you want Gamewise to be added?  TheStickMan [✆Talk] 13:51, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Drop of Global Support
Nintendo has announced that starting June 28th 2013 they will drop support of certain global services such as: The news channel, Wii Connect 24, Nintendo Channel, Communication between consoles in game play, and other network features. It has been announced in the consoles mailbox. When and how can we post that here, since this is a very important statement that has a bunch of users pissed off? --Molokaicreeper (talk) 01:48, 9 June 2013 (UTC)

Too long
The intro seems to be a bit too long. Justaguy120 (talk) 14:46, 21 July 2013 (UTC)
 * It's long but not too long. Manual of Style/Lead section states that it should "contain no more than four paragraphs", which this article contains.  Я ehevkor ✉  21:29, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Family Edition bundles: incomplete?
My own black Family Edition (bought in France) was bundled with Mario Kart Wii, a black remote, a black Nunchuk, and a black wheel "controller". No citation available, sorry. Steveread999 (talk) 12:31, 25 July 2013 (UTC)

How much smaller is the Wii Mini?
The section Wii Mini states that it "is a smaller, redesigned Wii", but I can't find precise informations about how much smaller it is, if it is smaller at all. Nedanfor (talk) 09:05, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

Family Edition is the name of a bundle, not the name of a model
It just happens to be the first bundle that included the revised, non-BC model (RVL-101 being the actual designation of the model) so people just mistakenly think it's the name of the model. It isn't. cite: http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wii/en_na/gi_system.jsp?menu=console&submenu=rvl-gi-sys-diff Nowhere on that page on model differences do they call it the Family Edition.76.226.102.53 (talk) 01:17, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What you provided isn't the name either, just the model number. From what I've seen, Nintendo just calls it the Wii, so in lieu of an actual name for the alternate model, it makes sense to call it the Family Edition Wii for multiple reasons.  TheStickMan [✆Talk] 01:53, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * What multiple reasons? I think it makes sense to call it RVL-101 given the fact that it's the official name and that Nintendo also released both the NES-101 and the SNS-101 in the past.-- Arkhandar ( Talk • Contribs ) 02:02, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * WP:COMMONNAME would be the biggest one. Also, plain old convenience, etc.  TheStickMan [✆Talk] 02:11, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * It should be at least mentioned in the article.-- Arkhandar ( Talk • Contribs ) 02:15, 22 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Is it really that important? The "RVL-" prefix to model numbers are already mentioned. I just feel like there's not much of a reason to mention the model name. It doesn't really add much.  TheStickMan <font color="0000DD">[✆Talk]  02:55, 22 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Regarding my revert: I didn't know there was a discussion here, but per my edit summary, it seems pretty out of context to add the model code as "RVL-" is not enumerated anywhere else on the page, therefore it would probably confuse the average reader. Also, pretty sure Arkhandar was premature in making the revision as consensus has obviously not be reached in this regard.     DK   qwerty     03:40, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Grey box on upper right hand area Fails to specify the Broadway CPU speed
the source that names the CPU also stats the speed at 729 MHz, I know this is just a minor piece of information but i just feel the Mhz should be reflected in that area just like almost every other console wiki page does 66.189.173.57 (talk) 22:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Speed covered in article on the Broadway CPU, no need to have it in the Wii's infobox.  TheStickMan <font color="0000DD">[✆Talk] 00:28, 25 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 January 2014
When Europe and Japan got rid of their Wiis, it's supposed to be the original model of the Wii, not the console itself. Also, USA got the Wii Mini also, not just Canada, UK, and Europe.

BeastlyJew92 (talk) 13:51, 4 January 2014 (UTC)

Furthermore, you have not cited any reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information can be added to this article. - Arjayay (talk) 09:52, 10 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: You have made no edit request in the form "Please replace XXX with YYY" or "Please add ZZZ between PPP and QQQ", so it is unclear what you want added.

!!M
I have started a discussion about the '!!M' and '!!m' redirects at Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 January 5. John Vandenberg (chat) 00:49, 5 January 2014 (UTC)
 * These redirects were kept. Some of the commenters thought that this article should mention !!M, with sources provided at the RfD. John Vandenberg (chat) 06:09, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Reception section
Far be it from me to criticise an article which is both featured and protected, but to me the reception section (section 6.1) looks really unbalanced. It pretty much focuses entirely on the problems it had and does nothing to explain why a hundred million people bought one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.20.121.117 (talk) 14:41, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
 * The fact that it was a wildly popular system doesn't change the fact that its reception was very meh.  TheStickMan <font color="0000DD">[✆Talk] 20:44, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * It looks like the section is about 1/3 positive verbiage and about 2/3 milquetoast or negative verbiage. And it doesn't explain much about that very good specific point of why 100M people bought them. So I agree that maybe there are additional positive reviews out there, and there might be an analysis of consumer reception. Critical reception is one thing and consumer reception is another. — Smuckola (Email) (Talk) 21:06, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Wrong sales
Look at the source, it says 101.06 million, not 101.60 million. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.182.239.10 (talk) 20:42, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
 * I have corrected this in the article. -- Snorlax Monster  07:34, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Still it's the wrong sales. The wii has sold over 103.000,000 Joey7777777 (talk) 04:50, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a source for this updated number? The current source says 101.06 million. -- Snorlax Monster  03:41, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 August 2014
Edit section Wii Family Edition because it does not have an image. here is a url for and image. http://www.nintendo.com/images/page/wiiu/features/compare/wii.png

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Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2015
I'm just going to add the codename to the info bar (Revolution)...

Superyoshi246 (talk) 23:54, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
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Possible OR?
"Final announced game" in the lead doesn't appear to be supported in the sources attached. Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 05:12, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and removed it. I say it's OR because while the announcements for the game itself were sourced, what wasn't present in the sources was that it was the last Wii game to be announced. It's also crystal ball divination type stuff because there's nothing so far to suggest at least one more game for the system won't be announced, which mentioning this one game in the lead implies (typically only first & last releases for a console belong in the console's article's lead section). Zeke, the Mad Horrorist  (Speak quickly) (Follow my trail) 19:01, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Redirects
Can someone else have a look at the 115 redirects to Wii? I'd especially like to draw attention to "¡¡M", "Wii, Page 1", "Wii, Page 2", "Nintendo ¡¡M", "Wiitarded", "Ninty Wii", "Nintendo !!M", "Double u eye eye", "Wii pornograhy", and "Mindgames'd", but there are plenty more questionable ones. RfD anyone? -- Amaryllis Gardener  talk 01:15, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's pretty crazy. Mass RfD would be a good idea. --Jtalledo (talk) 12:06, 10 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Shall we proceed? —zziccardi (talk) 15:17, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, we should. --Jtalledo (talk) 04:39, 16 May 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delayed response—I seem to have missed this in my watchlist. Anyway, I'm not at all familiar with the RfD process, but I'd happily support it if you'd like to start it up. Thanks! —zziccardi (talk) 17:26, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2015
Please try to fix all typos in this article

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Wii mini discontinued
The wii mini was removed from Nintendo's homepage back in September (check the web archives), and is no longer in stock on any major online retailers yet no articles regarding the wii seem to mention this. The Wii mini was clearly quietly discontinued and that would also mean the Wii itself has been discontinued as the Wii mini was its last remaining hardware iteration. Someone should update the respective articles to reflect this. 216.228.172.105 (talk) 05:38, 22 December 2015 (UTC)

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Was the Wii Discontinued in the US?
Did Nintendo silently kill the Wii in the US?

What I am seeing:
 * The American Wii site is just a redirect to the Wii U Page.
 * It's hard to find in stores in the US (still there, but it could have been made a long time ago)

No website has talked about this topic since 2013, and in 2013 the Wii WAS selling in the US

but this is 2016, so is the Wii Discontinued in the US — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thespaceface (talk • contribs) 19:16, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Homebrew
This article, for FA status, should really cover more on Wii homebrew: efforts to hack the Wii, uses of the Wiimote outside just games, etc. even in passing. czar 05:52, 20 March 2016 (UTC)

Backward compatibility
If early PS3s use the Emotion Engine to achieve PS2 compatibility, what do early Wiis use to achieve GameCube compatibility? 172.56.16.115 (talk) 21:36, 25 February 2016 (UTC)
 * PS3 adapted a new architecture(cell) for its CPU, while the PS2's Emotion Engine(The CPU) used an advanced MIPS architecture, its so basic we learn MIPS architecture as part of our EE Major. Cell is based on Power Architecture and has similarities to powerpc.


 * Wii's CPU just used an extension over the Gamecube's microarchitecture(both are powerpc using power architecture, and wii's broadway chip's architecture was built over GC's gekko chip), this made it unnecessary for any complex emulation engine to run Gamecube games, they "probably"(just my opinion) ran natively on the processor. Similarly Espresso(Wii U's cpu) has Power Architecture, but whether or not its an evolution of Broadway chip is unknown(but likely). Daiyusha (talk) 09:14, 14 September 2016 (UTC)


 * Also its likely that the newer Wii's can play gamecube games but lack the GC I/O ports. This is because the newer Wii's still have the same architecture. Daiyusha (talk) 09:16, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 March 2017
Can you change these source links back from:


 * https://online.wsj.com/article/SB121925111060757011.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
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 * http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB116441076273232312-3nPirhZn20_L2P7m_ROtFUkh6yA_20071124.html

please? They redirect to the "sign up/subscribe" page. 103.199.137.190 (talk) 00:32, 17 March 2017 (UTC)


 * ✅ Thanks! —   IVORK  Discuss 03:32, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

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"Unconfirmed" in info is not right
In the info section, GPU and CPU appears with "(Unconfirmed)" mark. Is confirmed too long ago. Because the page is "semi-protected", I cant edit it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kprkpr (talk • contribs) 16:50, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Removed from infobox as unsourced. If you can supply a reliable source with the speeds, they can be added back. -- ferret (talk) 18:12, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, the GPU and CPU speeds are already cited at Wii. – //  Hounder4  // 20:17, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * Yes, I noted it, but that section is able to more clearly denote that these are third party estimates. I don't think the infobox should contain unconfirmed information. If a source for confirmation is provided, we can clear it up. -- ferret (talk) 20:19, 15 November 2016 (UTC)
 * As you yourself said, the CPU speeds are already listed across Wikipedia. How are they acceptable in the article but not in the infobox? At least apply your opinion across the site. The "unconfirmed" clock speeds are clearly listed in the infobox for the Wii U, Nintendo Switch, Xbox (console), Xbox 360, Xbox One, PlayStation (console), PlayStation 3, and PlayStation 4. These are all unconfirmed. Why do you feel that only the Wii and PlayStation 2 should be held to this requirement? More importantly, why do you feel that third party analysis of the clock speed is inaccurate? There is no evidence that it's inaccurate, and it sounds to me like you don't understand at all the topic at hand. These changes will be reverted very soon without a valid reason. So far, your explanation is that it's your personal opinion that the information is good enough for the article, but not the infobox. Not a valid reason. Dnywlsh (talk) 01:39, 12 June 2017 (UTC)

Wii brew
Should there be a link to the Wii Wiki here? That is the link.
 * I Support Daiyusha (talk) 09:20, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Yes. If people want more information about the Wii that should be the place to go. Wikipedia only mentions the facts worth mentioning. CoolSkittle (talk) 02:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

If you mean the Wikia. CoolSkittle (talk) 02:13, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

Protected against vandalism?
What does "This page is protected against vandalism" mean? I can't edit the page because of it! CoolSkittle (talk) 02:11, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Unregistered and newly registered accounts have often been used to vandalize the article. It was disruptive enough to protect the article from edits. To edit, you can leave an edit request here for someone to do for you, or become auto-confirmed by making valid edits to other unprotected articles. -- ferret (talk) 11:18, 26 July 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2018
Establish a link for the Wii's predecessor "GameCube". It's dead text right now. Link is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameCube Ohlone1 (talk) 23:14, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It's already linked on the page so there's no need to link it again. Sak ura Cart elet Talk 23:19, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2018
i would like to edit this page to add info 24.198.169.196 (talk) 19:32, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 22 June 2018
The caption on the infobox says "redisigned" instead of "redesigned". Please correct it MrPigeonBird (talk) 16:06, 22 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done -- ferret (talk) 16:28, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 August 2018
Where it says,

"As of the first quarter of 2016, the Wii lead its generation over the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360"

Change "lead" to either "led" or "leads", depending on whether this is past tense or present tense. I'm assuming the latter. This is meant to be an all-time thing, right?

Reason: "lead" pronounced /lɛd/ is the chemical element; "led" is the past tense of the verb "lead." 108.34.206.74 (talk) 15:44, 20 August 2018 (UTC)
 * ✅ - X201 (talk) 15:58, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

Impact/usage outside of gaming
I specifically mean nintendo wii's sensor bar. It found application in various fields. Can't even remember everything that people used if for. I know it was developed to be used in medicine, handsfree conrol of operating system, graphics... people were also using multiple sensor bars. It was quite a hit, all over the media and internet. 213.149.62.70 (talk) 18:05, 4 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2019
to add that he wii is Nintendo sixth hone console overall? 2001:569:785F:9100:647A:FBF3:A6F7:A034 (talk) 18:19, 12 March 2019 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 18 July 2019
Under the 'Software' section in the article, it states that "However, as of July 2018, Tetris is the best selling game of all time having sold 170 million copies." This should be updated to say "However, as of July 2019, Minecraft is the best selling game of all time having sold 176 million copies." This edit presents the most updated information. 172.90.212.59 (talk) 17:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done with a reference borrowed from List of best-selling video games. &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 18:21, 18 July 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 October 2019
In chapter Wii Remote, in the last paragraph, please change Classic Controller into Classic Controller, creating a link to the appropriate article. So far, that article is only linked in the chapter on legal disputes, which may not be the most obvious location to look for it. If necessary, please remove the link in the chapter on legal disputes. 84.143.187.97 (talk) 22:29, 27 October 2019 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done <b style="font-family:verdana;color:#2b601f">aboideau</b><sup style="color:#474647">talk 22:44, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 February 2020
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Semi-protected edit request on 16 February 2020
Where it says in the beginning "As of the first quarter of 2016, the Wii led its generation over the PlayStation 3 and Xbox 360 in worldwide sales,[25] with more than 101 million units sold; in December 2009, the console broke the sales record for a single month in the United States." Instead of 2016, shouldn't it be 2006? Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xcytoz (talk • contribs) 02:03, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I think this is correct, seeing how the Wii only released on November 19, 2006, which would be the 4th quarter. If you changed that sentence to say 2006, the Wii would've sold over 101 million units before releasing, which is likely not the case. Stefvanschie (talk) 19:11, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2020
Lifespan Change 2006-2011 to 2006–2013 (RVL-001) Change 2011-2013 to 2011–2014 (RVL-101) Change 2012-2017 to 2012–2016 (RVL-201) Discontinued	Wii (Total) JP: October 20, 2013[10][11] Change NA: 2017 to NA: January 10, 2016 EU: October 20, 2013[12] Change AU: 2017 to AU: January 18, 2015 RVL-001 NA: October 2011 EU: November 2011 AU: November 2011 JP: October 20, 2013 RVL-101 EU: October 20, 2013[12] Change NA: 2013 to NA: May 18, 2014 Change AU: 2017 to AU: January 18, 2015 RVL-201 (Wii Mini) WW: January 10,2016 SpinelFan64 (talk) 03:33, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 24 May 2020
"Ubisoft's Just Dance 2020 is the last game to ever be released for the system, almost 14 years after the Wii's launch." should be changed to "Ubisoft's Just Dance 2020 is the last game to ever be released for the system, almost 13 years after the Wii's launch." as the article referenced (https://www.gamesradar.com/just-dance-2020-is-the-final-game-coming-to-the-nintendo-wii/) clearly states that the release date of Just Dance 2020 was November 5th, 2019, which is just shy of 13 years after the official launch of the Wii on November 19th, 2006. The article further confirms this with the opening words "It's been nearly 13 years since the Nintendo Wii came out." 67.4.92.7 (talk) 18:51, 24 May 2020 (UTC)
 * ESp - thank you! GoingBatty (talk) 23:33, 24 May 2020 (UTC)

The Wii has an age
Even though the Wii doesn't have a age it does,as it is 14 years old to my calculations. Anyone agree? UwU Is A Cat uwu (talk) 15:16, 20 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2020
The date of the Wii's discontinuation date in Australia is wrong. It was 2013, like the other regions (excluding Wii Mini, of course). Change the date from November 2011, to just 2013. Gamingboy6422 (talk) 16:06, 1 July 2020 (UTC)
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Merger proposal
I propose to merge Wii launch into Wii. I think that the content in the Wii launch article can easily be explained in the context of Wii, and the Wii article is of a reasonable size (49 Kb of readable prose, within WP:SIZERULE) that the merging of Wii launch will not cause any problems as far as article size is concerned (only 6 Kb of readable prose). Furthermore, Wii launch contains duplicate content with Wii, such as the list of launch titles, and contains an extensive list of non-English language region launch prices which might constitute a breach in WP:NOTCATALOGUE. ~ <b style="color: #8cc5ff;">Arkhandar</b> (<b style="color: #b3b3b3;">message me</b>) 15:54, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support A lot of the launch article content reeks of NOTCATALOG. Most of the rest is already in this article, including sales data. -- ferret (talk) 16:13, 18 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support as per above. Stefvanschie (talk) 12:01, 19 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Support The Wii's launch doesn't seem notable enough for its own article. CaptainBillyCatPants (talk) 22:08, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support The Wii launch article is short / concise enough to not require its own article. - Kamran Mackey (talk to me · my contributions) 23:10, 17 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Support The article is not extensive enough and also could have some of it's information put into Wii sales. MagPlex (talk) 15:17, 27 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support. The launch of the Wii is not independently notable. oknazevad (talk) 14:22, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Support as per above.-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 23:56, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Support I don't see anything terribly remarkable about the Wii launch that warrants its own article. Nathanielcwm (talk) 12:33, 23 October 2020 (UTC)

FA criteria?
I am seeing some minor issues with prose (too many short, choppy paragraphs) and verifiability (small amount of content with no citation) as well as RS (forbes contributors are not reliable). (t &#183; c)  buidhe  20:59, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

Facts I find
Here's a salad of info that I find from unused sources pertaining to development. I'll post em' here, and they can be put into the article. I'm afraid if I do this, I'm gonna improperly format the content. Re-word as you see fit. If something mentioned already exists in the article, simply don't use it. Le Panini [🥪] 06:13, 27 December 2020 (UTC)

After Nintendo released the GameCube in 2001, the company began observing declining sales after the release of newer consoles, as well the exponential growth of video game development costs. Since developer Genyo Takeda intended to avoid this issue, engineer Shiota Kou focused on making the hardware "cutting-edge technology in a normal way", which would ultimately lead to "higher performance and more glitz".

The Wii was developed to use processor technology in a way where the console could run with less heat, being able to be always powered on.

Shiota knew the decision of differentiating from other consoles from the generation would be risky, especially with the fact the the developers did not have a good concept of where the hardware would be taken. They especially focused on being unique from the competition, focusing on other different hardware capabilities rather than simply being more powerful hardware.

The developers took note of the Gamecube's physical design being dismissed as looking too much like a toy, so they balanced making the console look like a toy yet being able to fit alongside a TV. A portion of a toy-like style was kept because the developers feared the design would lose its charm. Satoru Iwata stacked a couple of DVD cases together, asking for "something about this big"; the developers were shocked when the concept was so small, with Iwata clarifying he wanted the console to fit unobtrusively alongside other clutter. Extra metal plating was put on the exterior for durability purposes; the outer shell was glossy, and was inexpensive to develop and resistant to damage.

One of the key parts to help the console be unique was the ability to stay powered on at all times; the hardware was designed to operate in low power. Additionally, the fan was made to turn off when not playing games, as they "didn't want Mom finding the fan on during the night, and pulling the plug thinking it was left on again".

The CPU was made to always be on, for purposes such as being able to download content while off.

Source for above: How the Wii was born (arsTechnica) 

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New Wii game?
Shakedown Hawaii is coming to the Wii in 2020. MightyArms (talk) 15:56, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
 * so...? Your point is? SilentRevisions (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 13:56, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , Maybe they were implying that the Wii is still in rotation and is still receiving content despite it being over a decade old. But, this specifically is too trivial for that. P  anini 🥪 13:58, 10 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , ah. I was assuming this was some little kid just trying to promo their favorite game. Fair enough. SilentRevisions (talk)
 * Well it could be, it's just an interpretation. P  anini 🥪 14:05, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2021
In the 'Console' section of the article, the first line of the 4th paragraph includes a spelling mistake as seen below:

"The Wii reads games from an optical media drive located in the front of the devic."

The word "devic" should be changed to "device." KiwifruitDev (talk) 14:59, 17 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Pupsterlove02  talk • contribs 15:33, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Avoiding the abyss
This article has 7 sections. For efficiency, we have to assume that changes to the core structure of the page are outside the scope of our repair. I do not think this is unreasonable—the headings are appropriate, and it follows the basic shape set down by WP:VG/MOS. If we can get additional volunteers, then will be able to specialise more. Let's assume—for now—that isn't likely.

It’s getting pretty late here. All I can do right now is draw from what has already been pointed to by SandyGeorgia and Jaguar. This can serve as a living list, both updated with further issues, and strike issues when they are removed. I haven't finished producing it yet, so chances are that you've seen what kind of monstrosity awaits us. It’s fine! We can do this. Obviously, more hands will make shorter work of this, assuming we are organised.

The good news is that this doesn't have to be stressful. So long as we make consistent, visible progress, we may be out at sea, but we're waving, not drowning. WikiProject VG is big, but disorganised, scattered, with everyone on their own projects—I'm hopeful we can pull at least one or two others in... if not for editing, then to supplement research.

Masem: I know you've addressed some of these issues. You've spent more time on this than I have—can you update the table based on your read on its current status? What has been resolved, what issues linger, and what new issues you've noticed.

I've already filled my name in for a few of these. I think a full, article-length copy edit should be left until the end of the process. That said, I will begin by reading through my sections, and removing things. We should have a separate subheading in which to store sources we've found (might be helpful to coordinate on Discord).

If Le Panini is able to help, then I think you would be really appreciated on the Reception section (if you are able). Your prose is very clean, and you know how to structure a Reception section. We can make sourcing a shared problem, to lighten the load on each of us. I'm going to sleep now, but will begin surveying soon, as I'll have a lot of time over the next few days. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 06:44, 27 December 2020 (UTC)


 * I've managed to track down a book by two professors at a university in Chicago about the Wii. I'm not sure if it’s cited elsewhere on the page. It’s been useful to me so far, so here's the reference:


 * Steven E. Jones and George K. Thiruvathukai, Codename Revolution: The Nintendo Wii Platform (Cambridge: MIT Press, 2012).


 * If you can't track it down, let me know Masem. It includes an extensive biography, so there's a lot to go through. I'm still a fairly new editor, so I am honestly a touch worried about my contributions: what goes in History? Is being retrospect a bonus, by referencing what analysts now believe Nintendo were aiming to do (see what I've added about the iPods and design, for example)? My current impressions are that there's so much puffery in the article — this exec said this, this exec said that, most of it marketing delivered uncritically and without analysis by experts. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 08:26, 27 December 2020 (UTC)
 * , I've been slightly inactive on this article, due to being busy with other projects. I will get to this, though. Le Panini  [🥪] 23:00, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Don't worry; I'm in the same boat. Slow progress is okay. I think Sandy will give us the time we need so long as there's persistent improvement. I'm working on a bunch of other stuff right now (like my first article!), so I just can't devote a huge amount of time to this. But early in 2021, I should be able to! Don't worry about it :] <3 ImaginesTigers (talk) 05:53, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Oh boy. The Reception section is obsolete of a lot of facts. Just a quick google search brought up hardware reviews from Ars Techica, The New York Times, CNET, Tech Radar... this might take me a while... I'll work on it in this sandbox. Le Panini  [🥪] 00:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

For starters, no reception on the Wii Mini. (I'm stealing the bold wording concept from Imagine Tigers to get my points across for now) This is an... issue, considering it has no article of its own. What did people think of the Wii Mini? Nothing, apparently? No, actually, I found a lot about it. So, I'm adding this content first. Le Panini [🥪] 00:54, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Okay, what now? How about the section's organization? For example, why does The Sims developer have their own paragraph? Is it really that notable? I'll have a look through this before adding new content. You know, to get it prepared n' such. Le Panini [🥪] 01:42, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Now time for the "fun" part: expanding. I. Found. SO MUCH CRAp on just third party development alone. I'll focus on this first, I guess. Le Panini [🥪] 02:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Although, this can be expanded further upon.

I'll get more done soon enough. Le Panini [🥪] 03:45, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Great work so far, Panini. You know, the Wii's limited third party options is—I believe—what resulted in the Wii U. So you might come across some sources that mention that, looking back... and it could go into Legacy? I'm not a Nintendo person, and only owned a Wii so I could play Pokémon Battle Revolution. PS. Bold is the way to go. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 08:58, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , From my research, the trend of "lack of third-party support" started on the Wii, then everyone was hoping for it to be much better on the Wii U, then it wasn't. Le Panini  [🥪] 17:57, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Next, I found many more critic reviews simply on the original hardware that never appear in the article. There is a lack of coverage on this, so this is an issue on the comprehension part of the FA criteria. Le Panini [🥪] 21:06, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Add 'em all here for me! My area, so I'll get them in. — ImaginesTigers (talk) 21:08, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
 * , Oh, not info about the hardware, reviews of the hardware, for reception. I forgot about this, not gonna lie, getting back to it for a bit. P  anini 🥪 02:19, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, during research, I found this, which you could stick in somewhere. P  anini 🥪 02:37, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Hello, I was looking at the unsourced footnotes, and "Except in Japan and South Korea" has a source in the text,, but this source only addresses Japan. I've looked online and it does seem it was the case for South Korea, but I'm unfamiliar with what video game sources are considered reliable. CMD (talk) 09:07, 18 February 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 April 2021
In the Legacy/Impact on Nintendo section of the article, the last sentence of the second paragraph has a typo as shown below:

"...thus keeping development costs lower, averaging about $5 millionper game compared to $20 million required..."

There is a space missing between the words "million" and "per". Please change "averaging about $5 millionper game" to "averaging about $5 million per game" Lzgmc (talk) 06:20, 10 April 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅. Panini! 🥪 12:08, 10 April 2021 (UTC)

Price
Maybe at what it is worth in 2021! Over all Great Article 2.29.69.10 (talk) 21:11, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * Prices vary per region, that's why it's excluded. (CC) Tb hotch ™ 21:49, 19 November 2021 (UTC)
 * This is also covered at NOTCATALOG.--67.70.101.149 (talk) 21:22, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Addition of a small note?
Im wondering if we should add a note about the Wii.com website created for wii owners to get more information about the wii and new games, It was bookmarked in the internet channel by default. PerryPerryD (talk) 21:08, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * I think at most it should be included in the external links section. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 21:15, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

thats a fair point PerryPerryD (talk) 21:20, 31 January 2022 (UTC)


 * Actually it shouldn't be included since the website is pretty much useless since I think any of the links just redirects you to the Switch page on Nintendo's website. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 21:35, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

the website is already on the page in 2 instances. PerryPerryD (talk) 21:59, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

Add section
Make sure to add and provide references when creating the section. The section is about the Wii Sports functionality. Please add the Wii Sports functionality if you can. :)

Thank you! Cdmxm8807i8x (talk) 23:29, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

"The Wii was the first Nintendo console to directly support Internet connectivity"
Really? Couldn't the DS also play games online without an external add-on?-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 21:19, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * You are correct. I think in the DS in might refer to NWFC (Nintendo Wi Fi Connection) but I'm not entirely sure. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 21:23, 8 September 2022 (UTC)


 * The Wii's online functionality was also based on NWFC and WiiConnect24. And even if it wasn't based on any external online services, it wouldn't change the fact that the DS was the first Nintendo console to support online connectivity out of the box. Maybe we should change this sentence to "The Wii was Nintendo's first home console to directly support Internet connectivity."-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 00:25, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Ya that would make more sense and is probably what is meant to be. ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 00:31, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 September 2022
Change the line "As of 2022, the Wii is the fifth-best-selling home console of all time. " to "As of 2022, the Wii is the seventh-best-selling home console of all time." because the Nintendo Switch is already the fifth best selling console of all time as it outsold both the Wii and the original Sony PlayStation (commonly now referred to as the PlayStation 1, PS1, or PSone). 174.92.121.96 (talk) 01:49, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ ― <b style="background:#0d1125;color:#51aeff;padding:1q;border-radius:5q;">Blaze Wolf</b>Talk<sub title="Discord Username" style="margin-left:-22q;">Blaze Wolf#6545 01:59, 21 September 2022 (UTC)

The Wii is the seventh-best-selling video game console of all time, but the fourth- or fifth-best-selling home console, depending on whether you count the Switch as a home console or not. So the previous wording was correct.-- Maxeto0910 (talk) 10:28, 24 September 2022 (UTC)


 * Actually, the Switch can also be classified as a home console as well since Nintendo markets the Switch as a hybrid console that act as both a portable console and a home console as well so my point still stands that my suggested wording is correct. 174.92.121.96 (talk) 15:45, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
 * Never mind, the Game Boy counts as a handheld but the Switch is a hybrid console so the Switch is arguably the third best-selling home console of all time while the Wii is the fifth best-selling home console of all-time.--174.92.121.96 (talk) 15:51, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

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4.3 is not the most current version of the system software
its 4.3rev06j 66.102.154.91 (talk) 23:36, 18 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2023 (2)
the manufacturer “Foxconn” is false and needs to be replaced with “nintendo”. 2600:1702:850:3970:21B9:FD02:7A51:DF59 (talk) 02:13, 5 August 2023 (UTC) Manufacturer = Foxconn needs to be replaced with manufacturer = Nintendo


 * Foxconn assembled the hardware for Nintento. It is correct. --M asem (t) 02:24, 5 August 2023 (UTC)

Discontinued in 2016 (2015 for the Americas)
Look at the financial report, Wii (including Wii Mini) had ZERO sales for the Americas April 2015-March 2016, indicating it was discontinued in 2015. It's also noted for ZERO sales in 2016 as "other" accounted for just 110,000 sales between April 2015 and March 2016. This indicates Wii was discontinued in the US in March, 2015 and worldwide in March, 2016. Source from Nintendo's own financial report: https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/pdf/2016/160427e.pdf 2600:1702:3520:2210:D9CB:C3C0:B7E7:5C94 (talk) 02:48, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * You're confusing stock sell-through with manufacturing discontinuation. -- ferret (talk) 02:49, 29 August 2023 (UTC)