Talk:Wild Blue Yonder (Doctor Who)

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Foxx247 (talk) 15:40, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

Necesity of the video.
I don't think the video should be included. It doenst provide significant context. While it is using a CC license its a smaller clip of a copyrighted work. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 07:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)


 * From the contextual standpoint, I felt the TARDIS returning and playing Wild Blue Yonder was at least partially-significant given that it's the namesake for the episode, especially since the mystery of the TARDIS "running away" in the first place was a significant plot point. The one minute video alone portrays approximately 7% of the plot summary within the article, which I admit isn't much, but was considered significant enough to include in the plot summary to begin with.
 * I also just realized that this article doesn't mention or link to the fact that "Wild Blue Yonder" (the song) was played. I'll try to add something into the production section if sources exist. Once that's done we could scoot the video down to the area that discusses it (and trim it to the just the portion that plays) to better illustrate the context.
 * That said, if consensus (even if it's just a sole consensus from you) is to remove it, I won't object. I just wanted to explain my thought process and potentially provide an alternative options. Thoughts? The Doctor Who  (talk) 08:01, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Just chipping in to note that the Wild Blue Yonder mention went after the plot was trimmed for length. As it happens, I had been working (off-site) on my own trimmed summary that kept in some of the parts that have now been removed, including the WBY bit. What I need to do now but haven't yet had the chance to is compare my drafted plot summary to the current, edited plot summary, and see if I can incorporate some of my improvements (and I'm trying to be as objective as possible here) without exceeding the length.
 * I'd kept the mention of the song in my draft of the plot because (a) it links to the title of the episode, (b) the alternative (it seemed to me) would be to add a 'Continuity' section - and I'm not a fan of those. Hadn't thought about Production section, seems a bit buried and as you note would need sourcing, whereas in the plot it would be allowable self-sourcing. JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 17:10, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * If you can squeeze it into the plot then by all means go for it. I only cut it since I was being very strict with unneeded info to meet the word count. At worst I feel it can be squeezed into Production after the salt mentions. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 17:44, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I absolutely understand why you cut it. I've been similiarly strict with the plot for Empire of Death, and I fear/know that I will have to make similar hard choices with my own draft here. I'm actually rewatching the episode now to try and see if there's anywhere I can save on the wordcount by compressing the chronology of events (and additionally have discovered some parts of my draft were factually wrong). I'm conscious of not leaving you all hanging for too long, so I'm aiming to finish my pass of the plot before tomorrow morning. It may lead to a few tweaks, or a bigger rewrite, or even me just throwing my hands up in the air and declaring that actually I can't improve on it XD JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 17:54, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Best of luck! Hopefully all goes well in your rewrite endeavors. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 19:24, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I have written a plot summary that is, as I count it, a little over 390 words (from a draft that was intially closer to 500). As well as restoring mention of the Wild Blue Yonder, it also manages to restore the "mavity" change (links to the Christmas special) and the Doctor's invoking of a superstition and regret at having done so (links to The Giggle). I achieved this by trimming some detail of things like the robot's name, and condensing the action involving the not-things rather than trying to hit each and every beat. I'll edit it in a paragraph at a time rather than changing the entire plot at once, to make for more easily comparable diffs. Will make sure final edit note indicates I've finished, and after than I will leave it up to the readers to decide if I've improved the summary or not. JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 21:28, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * @JustAnotherCompanion Would you like to be listed as co-nom on the GAN for your contributions? Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 22:47, 1 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I appreciate the offer, but I feel my contribution to the whole article is relatively minor, and you appear to have plenty of co-nominators already. I'm sure there will be other opportunities for me with other DW articles in the future :) best regards, JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 16:48, 2 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Regardless, thank you for your help with your work on the article. It's much appreciated. :) Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 18:14, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Copyediting
I have started copy-editing sections of the article other than the plot. My overriding aim has been to keep all the information necessary in the article, but present it without convoluted phrasings or redundancy. If I have gone too far and removed too much, please by all means reinsert as necessary.

There was one part of the "Development" section I was unable to copy edit though as the reference was a YouTube video. ...Davies describing the goal as aiming for an "ideal" with the design. I don't know what this means. "ideal" is clearly a direct quote, but I can't understand it without the context. Is there a better way of describing the goal so that it's completely clear for the reader of the article?

Similarly, I have tried to simplify the description of the prosthetics and their uses, but I'm not 100% sure if I've successfully achieved this, so another pair of eyes would be very helpful. JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 23:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)


 * The "ideal" quote is referring to Davies and the set designers striving to create the "ideal" set out of the various designs thrown about during pre-production, iirc. Otherwise, edits look good overall. Nice work and thank you for the help. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:05, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * Thanks for explaining. Could this be simplified by just saying something like 'Davies wanted to consider [all/many/various] options before settling on his ideal design'? Or even just replace '"ideal"' with 'ideal design'? I don't think directly quoting the single word is doing anything other than causing confusion, at least for me. JustAnotherCompanion (talk) 00:10, 10 July 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't see an issue. That should be fine. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 00:25, 10 July 2024 (UTC)