Talk:Wild Wales

Odd itinary
"passing en route through Wrexham,Cemmaes, Llangollen, Corwen"

How in heaven's name did he manage that? Cefn Mawr? MarkMLl (talk) 14:08, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * A woman passed me going towards Rhiwabon; I pointed to the ridge and
 * asked its name; I spoke English. The woman shook her head and replied
 * “Dim Saesneg.”
 * “This is as it should be,” said I to myself; “I now feel I am in Wales.”
 * I repeated the question in Welsh.
 * “Cefn Bach,” she replied — which signifies the little ridge.
 * “Diolch iti,” I replied, and proceeded on my way.
 * “Cefn Bach,” she replied — which signifies the little ridge.
 * “Diolch iti,” I replied, and proceeded on my way.
 * “Diolch iti,” I replied, and proceeded on my way.



Also on crossing the aqueduct:


 * From about the middle of the bridge there is a fine view of the forges on the
 * Cefn Bach and also of a huge hill near it called the Cefn Mawr.



So it appears that Cefn Bach is an obsolete name for one of the industrial sites. I can't locate it on the 1898 OS map. MarkMLl (talk) 15:45, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

MarkMLl (talk) 14:20, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * We have an article on Cefn Mawr, which should probably be the target of the wikilink. Cefn Bach is probably Cefn Bychan, which is on the OS map about 600 m south of Cefn Mawr (at ). Bach and Bychan can both mean small or little. Verbcatcher (talk) 19:47, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * Borrow did visit Cemmaes in Chapter 76. Perhaps MarkMLl was confusing Cemmaes near Machynlleth with Cemaes on Anglesey. However, neither Cemmaes nor Cefn are significant enough to mention as being on his route, and Cemmaes was in the wrong place in the list. I will remove Cefn, but will not restore Cemmaes. Verbcatcher (talk) 20:37, 20 December 2015 (UTC)


 * I most definitely was not confusing it. Please suggest how Borrow could have walked from Chester to Llangollen via either Cem(m)aes in one day, which is what's documented. I suggest that leaving a generic Cefn in place is appropriate, since that's what he's described. MarkMLl (talk) 12:50, 24 December 2015 (UTC)