Talk:Wildness

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This article is unclear and does not cite sources.140.233.208.82 03:05, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Original Research (Resolved)
This article as presented is almost entierly speculative, containing many subjective assertions about a variety of things. The final part of the article is particulary unencyclopedic:
 * "Due to its pursuit of unshielded possibilities, wildness encourages parsimony during the development and coordination of one’s understandings, instincts and emotions. It is a cutting process (like Occam's Razor) that exposes bare bones and truths, with no room for pretence and favourites. This feature can make wildness seem tough, but it also provides a stable foundation upon which nature can build. A sense of accomplishment or eureka can be the reward for using wildness, when it finds a simpler way through a complicated maze that was inhibiting life."

Essentially this is not an encyclopedic definition of "Wildness", it is merely a particular person's "Philosophy of Wildness". Orgone 22:33, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Please hold off deletion etc until about 12 April 07, as i for one dont have time to respond till then. --Lauriec 08:05, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Found the time after all. I have re-written the article so that it should be acceptable i think - with further editing from visitors of course. Taken out unsubstantiated sections, and replaced with mostly referenced statements. Please reconsider the various alert tags. Cheers. --Lauriec 03:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That is a much better presentation of the subject, it makes alot more sense now! Thankyou for taking the time to save the article, its much apreciated. Orgone 03:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

wild animals
"While other animals use wildness to establish their position within an environment, humans no longer accept its judgements."ow so? Wild animals seek to modify their envionment for their own benifit. For example birds build nests, beavers cut trees and build dams etc. Plants also modify the soil. KAM 16:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I would agree, from this point of view, the dichotomy between "wild" and "artificial" would seem quite misleading, to what extent can an organism be said to affect its environment before its deemed "artificial"? I build a house, thats "artificial", bird builds a nest, thats "wild". Orgone 03:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Areas for expansion
This article could have three sections: Wildness in animals (Wilderness protection, domestication etc), Wildness in humans (Behavioral science, Environmental psychology, Ecopsychology etc) and the Wildness in Philosophy, John Locke's "state of nature" Rousseau's "noble savage" or John Rawls' "original position" etc. What do you think? Orgone 16:14, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

External link
I'd like to install an external link to urbanwildness.com, a photo-essay & catalog of wild animals living in large urban environments, in this case central San Francisco. The site linked will be of interest and useful, I believe, to anyone who reads the article here and then wants to specialize, focussing on human/wild animal interactions & habitats & behaviors & peaceful coexistence, in modern urban conditions. The site offers many detailed photographs -- and sound recordings of coyotes, showing the varied moods and individual personalities of these intelligent and energetic animals. It is my wife's site and she is the photographer and recorder -- it is not a commercial site -- selections from these images have been shown in several public venues, including shows now on extended display at San Francisco's Randall Museum and its Main Public Library.

OK to do this? Kessler (talk) 22:34, 7 October 2009 (UTC)