Talk:Wilhelm Keitel

Moved here

 * Some believe the hanging violated the rules of the Geneva conventions for how to treat Prisoners of War. There needs to be more detail here if it is to be included. Roadrunner 21:05, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)

Suffocating Death "Struggle" that Lasted 24 Minutes?
It is well understood by medical science that victims of hanging lose consciousness almost without exception in less than a minute after suspension. They do not regain functional consciousness at any point. Reflexes and muscles spasms are not a "struggle"...and yet we see this fallacy repeated all over the place. Wikipedia should not be a place of misinformation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.88.37.238 (talk • contribs)
 * I reworded this sentence. --K.e.coffman (talk) 23:36, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

I'm glad that he hit his head on the way down, and likely suffered for a while. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 137.188.108.204 (talk) 06:58, 22 December 2022 (UTC)

Possibly wrong info on arrest date in may 1945
Sorry to create different thread but there seems to be discrepency:

"On 7 May 1945, Alfred Jodl, on behalf of Dönitz, signed Germany's unconditional surrender on all fronts. Joseph Stalin considered this an affront, so a second signing was arranged at the Berlin suburb of Karlshorst 8 May. There, Keitel signed the German surrender to the Soviet Union. Five days later he was arrested along with the rest of the Flensburg Government, at the request of the U.S.[31]"

Another wikipedia article with source states that government had been dissolved and members arrested on 23rd.

Churchill withdrew his protection once it became clear that the Soviet High Command would otherwise have to be represented in the liaison mission. On 21 May the SHAEF acceded to Soviet proposals that the Flensburg Government be dissolved and its members arrested as POWs. The dissolution was carried out on 23 May. On that day, a British officer went to Dönitz's headquarters and asked to speak to the members of the government. Dönitz, von Friedeburg and Jodl were then taken aboard the Patria, where Maj. Gen. Rooks informed them of the dissolution of the government; placing them under arrest, and ordering that they be stripped and searched for concealed phials of poison.[21][22]

I dont have any other sources to back this but video from historian mark felton on yourube with unknown sources which also states that flensburg government was acting until 23rd here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y99DxDKhOPw&list=PLx2GRxi-rDiE2XSGOAe82lZSG_QcIEgJ9&index=26

If this thread should not have been created, please delete it — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:AB04:251:D500:912E:D1E6:8C1F:DAB3 (talk) 23:27, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
 * May 13 appears to be the correct date; see also here: "On May 13, 1945, Keitel was arrested with the rest of the Flensburg Cabinet." from USHMM. --K.e.coffman (talk) 23:34, 29 December 2020 (UTC)

Poorly worded lede
The lede currently says "was a German field marshal and war criminal who held office as chief of the Oberkommando der Wehrmacht (OKW)". He wasn't a war criminal until after the war when he was convicted of war crimes. The way it is currently written suggests he had been convicted during his war service. No reputable source includes the "war criminal" aspect in their lede.

https://www.britannica.com/biography/Wilhelm-Keitel

"Wilhelm Keitel, (born September 22, 1882, Helmscherode [now in Bad Gandersheim], Germany—died October 16, 1946, Nürnberg), field marshal and head of the German Armed Forces High Command during World War II."

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/wilhelm-keitel-biography

"Field Marshal Wilhelm Keitel served as commander of all German armed forces during World War II."

I would think the Encyclopedia Britannica would be a worthwhile model for what is "encyclopedic". 174.0.48.147 (talk) 00:51, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Ad Category:Nazi Party members
Pls. ad Category:Nazi Party members ad bearer of Golden Party Badge - thanx --2A01:5241:2B7:8200:7FF1:1401:4B67:9117 (talk) 12:38, 26 October 2023 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 18 November 2023
Wilhelm the bad (talk) 10:52, 18 November 2023 (UTC)

I want to add awards
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