Talk:Will Champion/Archive 1

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The lede for this article does not need his birth place, school and childhood music lessons.
 * The lead is meant to be a short version of the article itself. One quick line about his early years that continues into his artistry (which is relevant since he is well... an artist) is not the end of the world and checks out the early years section. --GustavoCza (talk) 17:50, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * And since you care so much about the lead, how about improving it? Deleting everything is not improving. Add information. --GustavoCza (talk) 17:50, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * The lead doesn't need more information, it's adequate as it is. I'm not deleting anything, the info is still there in the article. Information like his university degree subject is not significant here. The musical influence stuff is admittedly better.
 * Adding his degree is literally just one word more, also not the end of the world. If the musical influence is relevant to the lead then why are you deleting it? His early years are technically part of his musical style too. You are just being petty at this point, and this isn't the first time you're harassing someone as I learned recently. --GustavoCza (talk) 17:56, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Editing articles I have in the watch list is not harassing.
 * The issue is bloat. This Information isn't fundamental to understanding who he is and why he's notable, which is why there's a lead, and not just a main article.
 * There are many pages that cite an artist's style/influences on the lead. Besides, not everyone reads the entirety of the article, hence why the main guideline is that the lead should hold on its own as a short version of the full thing. How this lead can do that if there's nothing on his early years, style or influences? In fact, I didn't even put his solo endeavours. An 8-line lead is hardly "bloated". --GustavoCza (talk) 18:05, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * There may well be other things that can be productively added to the lead. But until today you've made no effort to discuss per WP:BRD to establish what it should look like.
 * I think it hold's it own already, without what you're currently adding. Unbh (talk) 18:12, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * If you think other things can be added productively then why haven't you done it? You have only deleted things so far and the most recent edit just out of spite. The lead does not hold on its own, I literally just cited multiple things that are missing. --GustavoCza (talk) 18:15, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

@ I've removed the statements about his style and lead vocals. There's no description of his style or how it's been assessed in the article, and there's nothing about vocals in live performances. Feel free to restore when supported by reliable sources in the body.Unbh (talk) 05:46, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * "Knowing the difference between the major and minor key is very important too, and I was lucky to learn all that before I was playing drums. That has more to do with the feel of a song [...] instead of knowing how to play powerfully for a second or two".


 * "When questioned on which Coldplay songs he thinks that are his technical or "feel-wise" best, Champion noted being most proud of tracks where everything is boiled down to the essentials, citing "Viva la Vida" as an example".


 * "During the Viva la Vida Tour, he performed an acoustic version of the song "Death Will Never Conquer", which was included on LeftRightLeftRightLeft (2009). His lead vocals can also be heard on "The Goldrush", a B-side for "Life in Technicolor II". Meanwhile, his version of "In My Place" from the A Head Full of Dreams Tour was released on Live in Buenos Aires (2018)".

--GustavoCza (talk) 05:52, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * a quoe from him in an interview is not enough to suuport this statement in the lede "His drumming style is noted for a melodical approach emphasizing feel over technical virtuosity". if it's noted, then there should be discussion of it in reliable sources in the body, and an interview with him where he describes himself if not noted.Unbh (talk) 06:00, 4 April 2022 (UTC)


 * @ please stop adding unsupported content to the lede. Improve the main article with sources - which surely exist if what you want to add is true. Then you can restore the statemnt to the lede.Unbh (talk) 06:31, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * How two interviews with Will himself is not a source? You're grasping at straws at this point. -- GustavoCza (talk) 06:33, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Because him talking in an interview about his style is not the same as any statement that resembles "His drumming style is noted". You need sources with out people discussing his music where they address his style of play.
 * That's a wording problem at best. If we just say his style is like that then it's factually correct since it's based on what Will himself said on interviews. --GustavoCza (talk) 06:48, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Not really. Interviews with the subject are not good sources for this sort of thing, and they're certainly not sufficient for this sort of statement to go into the lede. I might say I am a good footballer. I doesn't mean that should go in a description of me without reliable sources that say "Unbh is a good footballer".Unbh (talk) 06:58, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Champion is not praising himself though, he is describing how he plays drums. I'm pretty sure someone who has been drumming for 24 years to make a living knows how to describe the way he plays it. -- GustavoCza (talk) 07:02, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * If you give a read on the interviews, you can clearly see stuff written by the magazines that support his statements:
 * "So you obviously aren’t one to overplay [...]"
 * "His lengthy musical training and total sensitivity to a song’s melodic elements made him the perfect drummer to back Martin [...]"
 * "Playing on a [...] basic Yamaha drumkit [...] Champion seems to have a magic touch on Rush for providing exactly what’s needed, every time".
 * -- GustavoCza (talk) 07:11, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * THat wasn't what was written - what's there now is better, but it should still be better supported in the article. Interviews and questions from interviewers are not really good sources for this, and the whole thing is basically WP:SYNTHUnbh (talk) 07:14, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty good with the lead as it stands right now. Can we declare consensus and move on? Let's just leave the article alone, we already got warnings over it.
 * -- GustavoCza (talk) 18:14, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

This article requires review for grammar and style edits.
This article requires review for grammar and style edits. 186.15.117.135 (talk) 10:26, 20 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Please elaborate. -- GustavoCza (talk) 11:51, 20 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you will
Thank you Will. My daughter bought us tix to Pasadena and she always has loved you as her main focus in the band and we enjoyed the experience and your commitment. You made our father / daughter generational experience 2601:940:C100:DD50:5DE5:D237:5A3D:7234 (talk) 04:04, 26 October 2023 (UTC)