Talk:William Arnold (master mason)

Requested move 14 July 2023

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved to William Arnold (master mason). Moving to master mason as that title doesn't appear to have any objection. No prejudice towards another move request to master builder instead, though the proposer should be prepared to provide sources that the terminology should, in fact, be builder, instead of mason. (closed by non-admin page mover) EggRoll97 (talk) 03:09, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

William Arnold (architect) → William Arnold (master builder) – The article does not refer to William Arnold as an architect, but rather as a a master builder or mason. One of the works cited on this page, Thomas Graham Jackson's Wadham College (1893), specifically makes the distinction between architect and master mason: "the professional architect, as we have him, did not come into being till about the time when Wadham was being built... the real architect was the master mason... he saw to the quarrying of the stone, gave the design... this seems to have been the position of William Arnold" (page 33). The title of the page should be changed to reflect this. Thanks! Medarduss (talk) 08:40, 14 July 2023 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Why not just "builder" or "mason"? Disambiguation terms should be neutral and general. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 09:46, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Hi, I am not greatly familiar with this topic but I think that "master builder" and "master mason" are terms that are commonly used to describe the main organiser of building projects in pre-modern times, and the "master" prefix is not a qualifier. See master builder for some references which explain the term. Because of this, I don't think that "builder" or "mason" would be appropriate. Thanks, Medarduss (talk) 20:19, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * No objection: That explanation seems sufficient. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 23:31, 14 July 2023 (UTC)
 * Comment No objection to William Arnold (master mason). Are there any sources which call him a master builder? Moonraker (talk) 11:21, 16 July 2023 (UTC)