Talk:William Cope, 1st Baron Cope

William Shuldham Cope
William Shuldham Cope died 1942 and was buried, according to, in Melbourne. He may well have been a casualty of the Pacific War. I think he was in the army.

What is now in the article, referenced to a newspaper, is vague. Can you throw any light? Charles Matthews (talk) 08:31, 11 January 2021 (UTC)


 * CM. You are going to need to find someone who has good access to UK WW2 army records, presumably officers. I don't. — billinghurst  sDrewth  09:59, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I've added what I have found about William Shuldham Cope to the article: he was in the Welsh Guards as a young man, becoming Captain. His father had business interests in Canada, and he may well have been there c.1940. Possibly an ANZAC via his time in New Zealand, but really unclear at present. At a guess, the son was back in the UK for his sister's wedding in 1940, joined up, and was posted to somewhere near Singapore. Charles Matthews (talk) 06:59, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

probate
Name: 	William Shuldham Cope Death Date: 	1 Mar 1942 Death Place: 	Australia Probate Date: 	14 Oct 1947 Probate Registry: 	London, England
 * Calendar of the Grants ...

of 29 Mitford-street St Kilda Victoria Australia died 1 March 1942 at Austin Hospital Heidelberg Bourke Australia Administration London 14 October to the right honoruable Helen baroness Cope widow. Effects £1225 in England.

The Austin Hosp is close by the Heidelberg Repatriation Hospital so it would seem reaonably certain that this is as a consequence of war injuries. Also noting that there would have been two other hospitals close by to St Kilda that would have been used for normal hospital treatment. So as a minimum armed forces. — billinghurst  sDrewth  08:53, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

No probate in Victoria. 

census
Name: 	William Shuldham Cope Age in 1911: 	8 Relation to Head: 	Son Gender: 	Male Birth Place: 	Peterston-s-ely, Glamorganshire, Wales Civil Parish: 	St Bride´s Major Street Address: 	Southerndown Glam Registration District: 	Bridgend Registration District Number: 	591 Sub-registration District: 	Bridgend ED, institution, or vessel: 	20 Household Schedule Number: 	45 Piece: 	32588 Household Members: Name 	Age William Cope 40 Jennie Rees 	24 Helen Cope 42 William Shuldham Cope 8 Helen Margaret Letitia Cope 7 Grace Hughes 	23 Clement Gale 	29 Amy Spencer 	27 Annie Martin 	30 Florence James 	23
 * 1911 England

birth
Births Jun 1902 COPE	 William Shuldham	 	 Cardiff	 11a	497
 * FreeBMD

Family tree indicates

Birth	21 May 1902

Death	1 Mar 1942

baptism
Name: 	William Shuldham Cope Baptism Age: 	0 Record Type: 	Baptism Baptism Date: 	5 Jul 1902 Baptism Place: 	Peterston-Super-Ely, Glamorganshire, Wales Father: William Cope Mother: Helen Cope
 * Glamorgan Baptisms, Marriages and Burials. Wales: Archives and Records Council Wales.

death
Name: 	William Shuldham Cope Death Registration Year: 	1942 Death Registration Place: 	Victoria, Australia Father: 	William Cope Mother Maiden Name: 	Shuldham Reference Number: 	2311
 * Vic deaths

1939 Register
Nothing evident. No William S Hope. Those William Hope born 1902 don't look pertinent. — billinghurst  sDrewth  09:02, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Passenger records
Name: 	William Shuldham Cope Gender: 	Male Age: 	27 Departure Date: 	21 Sep 1929 Port of Departure: 	Southampton, England Destination Port: 	Quebec, Canada Ship Name: 	Empress of Scotland Search Ship Database: 	Search for the Empress of Scotland in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database Shipping Line: 	Canadian Pacific Railway Official Number: 	144375 Master: 	J Turnbull Esquire
 * Board of Trade: Commercial and Statistical Department and successors: Outwards Passenger Lists. BT27. Records of the Commercial, Companies, Labour, Railways and Statistics Departments. Records of the Board of Trade and of successor and related bodies. The National Archives, Kew, Richmond, Surrey,

Evidence of William S Hope born 1902 travelling through Canada, US, 1931.

Australian archives

 * naa.gov.au searches
 * Nothing evident for William Cope in army, navy, air force
 * Nothing evident in passenger arrivals index 1898-1972

National Archives UK
Discovery search doesn't show anything evident. Nothing for William Shuldham Cope.

New Zealand archives
Nothing for William Shuldham Cope

Archives.Wales
Nothing for William Shuldham Cope

Library.Wales
Nothing for William Shuldham Cope

Trove
Nothing evident

awm.gov.au
No William Shuldham Cope