Talk:William Gibson/Archive 1

Early messages
Please see Talk:Gibson for a discussion of how to best disambiguate "Gibson". Thanks. --rbrwr&plusmn; 10:59, 17 Oct 2004 (UTC)

What´s with the picture? Is he buying a tie? I feel like we´re one step away from a picture of him stepping out of the shower. But i understand that it´s difficult to get non-copyrighted pics. --Handel 23:00, 30 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This is awfully thin, needs a major redraft. Looking for round tuits. Tim Bray 07:08, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Agrippa
references to be added for the agrippa mention: http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/source/source.asp (at bottom) http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/source/agrippa.asp (full text) --Quiddity 07:59, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

W. Gibson's education?
There is no word about W. Gibson educaton.


 * It's not just his education that is missing from this bio - he's a person, so he has a whole life. Writing intriguing fantasy fiction can only be part of it. What's he about as a person? For instance, does he like to ski, or snowboard? Hike? Garden? Bike? Fish? Collect model trains or musical instruments? Does he have kids? Is he interested in the Vancouver-based Ballard Fuel Cell emerging technology? The article hasn't really made him seem like a three-dimensional person yet (which tends to be a weakness in "cyber-culture" versions of things).  - M.C.


 * I kind of agree. The section on biography is more about his work (i.e., "Career") than his life as such. Is it not possible to dig up more about the guy? Usually a biography gets into that. Otherwise it's just an article concerned with his professional accomplishments and writerly imagination. If we were to learn more about him, we might then learn more about why has written the books that he has — not to mention what the stories must mean to him.


 * Most of the biographical information that might be of interest can be obtained from a reliable figure, namely Mr.Gibsson. (here: http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/source/source.asp) --JollyRogerz 19:59, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I recall reading that Wm Gibson attended but did not finish college in Arizona. I have it on good authority that he is now a writing instructor at UBC, so perhaps he finished his education in Canada.

A biography is typically more about a man's work than about his 'whole life'. Wm Gibson is known for _Neuromancer_ and being the leading light of the cyberpunk movement (but Vernor Vinge published the first recognized cyberpunk story, "True Names"). Wm Gibson is NOT world famous becasue he is a draft dodger or an instuctor at UBC.


 * Someone, above, wrote: "Wm Gibson is known for _Neuromancer_ and being the leading light of the cyberpunk movement (but Vernor Vinge published the first recognized cyberpunk story, "True Names"). Wm Gibson is NOT world famous becasue he is a draft dodger or an instuctor at UBC."


 * I agree, in a way – though in a way not. This article is longer than many entries in, say, the Brittanica "Micropedia"... so maybe it should have more detail than a listing of his books.  And the thing is, a person's life bears on his/her take on human nature.  And novels that don't have a convincing view or expression of human issues and human nature aren't worth reading.  So, there can and should be a legit interest in what this fellow Gibson is all about, hence in what his life has been like. Joel Russ 18:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

First Sentence
If Gibson was born in 1968 and fled to Canada in 1972, he was only three or four years old when they fled. The sentence should be revised to show that (presumably) his family fled and took Gibson with them.


 * If you read from the top of the article, you'll see that he was born in 1948, fled to Canada in 1968 and settled in Vancouver in 1972.Shsilver 16:43, 19 August 2005 (UTC)

The Log of the Mustang Sally
This novel is mentioned a few places on the net and is explained in Gibson's blog I actually did have a contract for this title, with Arbor House, but shamelessly ducked out of it after a disagreement over the dustjacket art for their hardcover of COUNT ZERO.

I see a lot of conflicting descriptions so a clear explanation here would be very useful. Any takes by someone in the know?

William Gibson clip from 1967?
Can anyone confirm if the link to the video clip in the article has anything to do with Gibson? My computer can't play the clip. Mikkel 02:00, 6 November 2005 (UTC)


 * It is him, he admits to doing it for the cash. http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/archive/2003_05_01_archive.asp#200226493

Jamesmorrison 10:31, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

Coining the term "Cyberspace"
I don't think William Gibson actually coined this term. I will hunt down the name of the person who did and if my suspisions are correct, I'll edit the page. Gibson Cowboy 18:25, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Good luck with that. The earliest citation provided by the Oxford English Dictionary is the 1982 appearance of Gibson's "Burning Chrome" in Omni.  Might you be thinking of "Cyberpunk", which is generally attributed to either Gardner Dozois or Bruce Bethke?  Skyraider 05:09, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

American vs Canadian writer
Surely he should be placed in either the American science fiction wirters category or the Canadian one, not both?


 * I'd argue for Canadian. He's lived most of his life in Canada, and holds Canadian citizenship IIRC. Seems to me that when a writer emigrates they become known for their country of residence. An example would be Salman Rushdie, who is described as an "Indian-born, ethnically Kashmiri, British writer". A quick perusal of a few other writers' pages would seem to bear this out as a standard.


 * I'm thinking I'll edit as necessary unless there are any objections in the nearish future...? - FlyingOrca 20:49, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. -Quiddity 20:54, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not convinced. I don't hear anyone referring to Arthur C. Clarke as a "Sri Lankan" writer. If Gibson genuinely did change his citizenship, ok, but I thik we need substantiation on that. . . Skyraider 04:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm changing it to "American": I've found substantiation that he retains US citizenship. (here)  Skyraider 00:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Article naming
It seems very odd to me that the title of this article is "William Ford Gibson". He is never known by his middle name. Wouldn't something like "William Gibson (author)" be better? I'll await objections before making any change. Metamagician3000 14:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If you check the history, you'll see Moe Epsilon moved this page from "William Gibson (novelist)" on march4 2006 without discussion or explanation (that i can find). I'm surprised this move wasn't questioned earlier. I would support a re-move back. (although, it does get him higher on the (alphabetical) disambig page William Gibson...)
 * Does anyone know "Bill" well enough to ask him personally what he'd prefer? ;) --Quiddity 19:20, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Like a lot of people involved in science fiction, I know him well enough to ask him if I ever ran into him again - he's actually very approachable and friendly - but that's unlikely because he no longer attends science fiction conventions as far as I know. Unfortunately, I don't know him well enough to kind of track him down and sort of stalk him just to ask something like this. :D


 * (OTOH, I've still never heard anyone use "William Ford Gibson".) Metamagician3000 23:44, 25 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved --> "William Gibson (novelist)" in conformity to the old title (per Quiddity)) Metamagician3000 07:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Clarification
There are two sentences in the article that are a bit vague. Could the original author, or some knowledgeable editor fix them up?

His novel Pattern Recognition, set in the present day, entered mainstream bestseller lists for the first time. I presume this means that PR was his first novel to enter the mainstream bestseller's list. However, I don't want to change it unless it is confirmed that that is what the sentence is trying to say.

Despite all this, Gibson never had a special relationship with computers. What is a 'special relationship with computers'. It would be good to get some concrete example here. I heard he wrote Neuromancer on a typewriter. This would be good info to include if true. Ashmoo 02:21, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Gibson's Appearance in XFiles episodes
Bill just said he didn't in fact appear in the X-Files episodes mentioned in the article, can anyone check? I thought it was worth mentioning: http://www.williamgibsonbooks.com/blog/2006_08_01_archive.asp#115497439647148841

Satire
I've removed the satire section, as point #1 seems to be entirely Original Research, and point #2 is an irrelevant tangent. --Quiddity· (talk) 21:19, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

audiobook fan site?
I see a recent addition and subsequent removal of a link to sffaudio.com, which I understood to be a science fiction audiobook fan site and directory. Anyone know if a link to this site would actually constitute a "commercial" link? I've asked the IP address who removed it to re-think, but how does everyone else feel about this? ◉ ghoti 01:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be better as a Reference section link, than in the External links section. The difference being, it's not noteworthy as a site about Gibson. --Quiddity 01:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, perhaps ... though in the five-minutes of research I just did, I couldn't find any other site whose focus was on audiobooks, and none that listed as many of Gibson's in one place. There are external links to pages at sffaudio.com used for at least a few other WP articles.    ◉ ghoti  11:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Johny Mnemonic
why there's nothing about hic novel Johny Mnemonic? --134.147.117.102 19:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There is, and a whole article. See the line beginning: "Two of his short stories have been turned into movies: 1995's Johnny Mnemonic, starring ..." --Quiddity 19:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Critical Reception
I'd like to see a section about how his novels and shortstories were received. The article pages for his books don't have that information, I think, with the exception of Neuromancer. It would be nice to get more of an overall sense for his work. --4.159.11.135 17:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Influence and Influences
In line with the above comment about the need for a critical reception section, the article could surely be improved in the Influence section - I imagine there is a lot to be said here about the influence of the 'father of cyberpunk'; Jack Womack, The Matrix off the top of my head. If you can think of or better yet cite any authors/movements/artworks Gibson has influenced, please add them here.

Secondly, influences on Gibson would make useful additions to the article. User:Photonicus has added Alfred Bester, I will do likewise for Dashiell Hammett (who was largely responsible for Gibsons hardboiled streak, and not Chandler).Skomorokh 11:37, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Please add a citation for what you're adding. Speculation shouldn't be in the page. -- BillWeiss | Talk 16:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Quite right. Citations added, but the section is looking a little bloated now. Robert Stone and Samuel R. Delaney would seem the least influential. I'll leave it be at present. Still needs info on those influenced by our man in Vancouver.Skomorokh 18:39, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Agrippa-cover.jpg
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Removed quotes
I removed two quotes because I couldn't find anywhere to put them. For future usage, they are preserved below:


 * I suspect I have spent just about exactly as much time actually writing as the average person my age has spent watching television, and that, as much as anything, may be the real secret here. -- excerpt from short autobiography on Gibson's website, williamgibsonbooks.com


 * Writing a novel for me…the part of the text where you're moving forward into nothingness, it feels like being one of those transatlantic tunneling machines...grinding away at a dank dark rock face. -- from a radio interview with This Week in Science originally recorded on February 03, 2004.

Skomorokh incite  19:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 


 * William Gibson (novelist) → William Gibson — I believe William Gibson (novelist) qualifies as the primary topic of the disambiguation page William Gibson as can be seen by the overwhelming number of incoming links for the novelist compared to all the other William Gibsons and the fact that a Google search for 'william gibson' yields pages of results for the novelist before coming to any of the others. I propose moving the disambiguation page at William Gibson to William Gibson (disambiguation) and move William Gibson (novelist) to William Gibson. Comments? Skomorokh  incite  19:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

The Google test doesn't prove much, as the person in question is (not surprisingly) extremely active on the Internet, and so are his fans and other contacts. I think I could argue this one both ways. No vote at this stage, I'd be happy to move or not to move. Andrewa 01:39, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Completely agree (happy either way). --Quiddity 04:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

From Talk:William Gibson: ''Makes sense to me, for whatever that's worth. 69.0.54.102 17:12, 30 July 2007 (UTC)''. I've added a comment there suggesting we discuss both moves here. Andrewa 01:48, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Support the novelist cyberpunker as primary topic. 132.205.44.5 21:49, 7 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment Google cannot evaluate notability of active science fiction novelists versus, say, medieval Catholic martyrs. The fewer incoming links may easily have much to do with systemic bias more than anything else. Eleland 01:40, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment: Yes, that's what I was trying to say above. So far there's a strong consensus to move, as we're all either abstaining or supporting. It's equally acceptable IMO to move or not to move on the evidence offered to date. So I'm happy for my vote to be counted as support too if that helps the process, but it's a concern that there seems not to be a lot of valid supporting evidence. Andrewa 09:52, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment While I accept that there might be systematic bias at work with regard to the incoming links, it is irrelevant for the purposes of this discussion. The question is whether the subject of this article is the primary meaning of William Gibson, whether it "is much more used than any other (this may be indicated by a majority of links in existing articles or by consensus of the editors of those articles that it will be significantly more commonly searched for and read than other meanings)." So the fact that the science fiction author might be searched more than other William Gibsons supports this move rather than opposing it. Regards, Skomorokh  incite  08:58, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Support the move. I think the points about the systematic bias are valid, but I think the same bias would apply to those searching Wikipedia. --Evil1987 17:28, 9 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

This article has been renamed as the result of a move request. --Stemonitis 18:43, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

YMO lyrics
A new user just deleted this sentence:
 * In 1993, Gibson wrote and read the lyrics to the track "Floating Away" on Yellow Magic Orchestra's album, Technodon

But the second ref credits a different (or additional?) track. This needs to be checked and reliably-sourced before adding it back in. --Quiddity 17:00, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * All Music Guide is usually the authoritative source on albums, but their Technodon credits don't mention any additional contributors. Amazon's got nothing either. I'll broaden the sentence so the sources don't contradict. Skomorokh  incite  17:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

WikiQuote Link
Just a note that the wikiquite box under the external links section is floating under the links unless my browser is set to max width on a 1280x1024 screen resolution using Firefox 2.0.0.6. Ahsile 18:36, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the columns. I tried the multicol and col-2 templates, but they don't work to fix this either.
 * The list of external links could be shortened by incorporating any of their content to the article, and changing them to References. --Quiddity 19:28, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I started the columns after the "Official" section, hoping to avoid overlap. Is it working now? Skomorokh  incite  11:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Perfect solution :) --Quiddity 16:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Splendid! Skomorokh  incite  16:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This works quite well. Thanks for the effort to fix this everyone! Ahsile 15:40, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Gibson photo licence
The Image:William Gibson by FredArmitage.jpg has been tagged for speedy deletion. Could someone who knows more about images take a look at fixing this properly? Thanks. --Quiddity 18:53, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Where is the guideline on Wikipedia (not Wikimedia commons) for the types of acceptable free licenses? If you can find it I might have a chance tomorrow to look but am absolutely not a lawyer (AANAL). Maybe somebody here will know more. I've been looking for too long. -Susanlesch 19:56, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've dug a little, and asked 1 question at Help desk
 * However Image copyright tags says: "The license must not prevent commercial reuse or derivative works." So it is still going to get deleted from here too, unless someone contacts the photographer and convinces him to relicence it. --Quiddity 00:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The copy here on en.WP has already been deleted as under a non-commercial license. See my comment on Help_desk for more detail. KTC 01:24, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I found a page of copyright tags and a page of deprecated copyright tags and this license is on the latter (although I think the page lacks any label saying under what auspices it is used--maybe there are more pages I am missing). Don't know if it will help in what you are trying to do, two rays of hope. This photographer kindly changed his license when he found out what Wikimedia commons would take (the first try had the same non-commercial restriction and was deleted). And if that fails this photographer didn't mind me cropping out the rest of the image so it would make sense in the infobox. With the three checkboxes for Creative Commons on Flickr "Advanced Search" (a step down from Search) all checked to filter out the bejillions of photos that can't be used there you might find something. You probably know all this and more but that's what I think just in case some idea helps. Best of luck. -Susanlesch 02:04, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Mea culpa, it was my hamfisted grasp of Wikipedia copyright policy that has lead to this. The photographer is openly promoting its use on Wikipedia on the image description page. Could someone with a flickr account kindly ask him to alter the licensing? Skomorokh  incite 13:09, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Contact with photographer
I've left a comment on one of his blog entries (it didn't appear immediately, presumably it's awaiting moderation?), asking him to relicence, and pointing him to here. I said: "If that sounds good, then just edit your flickr shot's licence, and we'll do the rest!" so keep checking the flickr page, and if the licence changes to cc-by or cc-by-sa, then reupload it to Commons please Skomorokh :) --Quiddity 18:41, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thanks again Quiddity. Skomorokh  incite 19:05, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It doesn't seem to have gotten through (possibly eaten by spam filters?).
 * I second Skomorokh's request for anyone with a flickr account to contact/message the photographer. I'll post below what I tried to send him, for anyone to rewrite/copy and forward on. --Quiddity 00:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Hi, This is re: your picture of Gibson at Wikipedia :) (I can't find a better way to contact you, hope this works)
 * We love the photo, and want to use it, but can't under its current licence. We were wondering if you would consider relicencing it under one of these less-restrictive licences: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags#For_image_creators
 * ("cc-by" or "cc-by-sa" would be my suggestion, and then it can also be used at http://commons.wikimedia.org (and therefor in *all* Wikipedias, not just the English one :) )
 * ''If that sounds good, then just edit your flickr shot's licence, and we'll do the rest!
 * (See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:William_Gibson or ask me, if you have any questions). Thanks.''
 * Quiddity, hi. Before I saw your note about the blog post I sent an email through Flickr to the photographer. Would you like this note sent too? Mine pretty much only showed what licenses are accepted in the commons. -Susanlesch 00:34, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Only if you think it will help. He might just be offline for a few days, and hence will get both our messages eventually. I'd suggest leaving it till Mon/Tue evening, and then doing so :) --Quiddity 17:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Answer from the photographer (me!)
Hello, I just came back from Burning Man and I answered your request. I changed the license to cc-by-sa as suggested. Let me know if this is what you expect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by FredArmitage (talk • contribs) 02:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! I've uploaded the image to wiki commons at the same location as before and will now add it to the article. CaNNoNFoDDa 12:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Indeed. This is great! Thank you all for going to all this trouble, and special thanks to Fred for agreeing to re-license the image! Here's a barnstar for y'all:


 * That's the spirit! Lupo 21:39, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

I have nominated the image for featured picture status: Picture peer review/William Gibson. Skomorokh incite 20:43, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

GA on hold
The lead needs to be extended, and everything sourced to the unreliable (user-contributed) IMDb has to be removed. Alientraveller 14:33, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There aren't really that many alternatives to IMDB, however:
 * 8 - This appears to be a random quote of WG referring to his early life, to go with the section, i can't find it anywhere other than Imdb but he does have a rant about his background on his own website that would probably be better material (and better for WP:BLP).
 * Sourced from trivia, probably user-contributed, removed:
 * Skomorokh incite 14:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Skomorokh incite 14:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)


 * 26 - I can't find a scheduled release date for this anywhere other than Imdb, so i suggest we remove the date and add a reference for the fact the project once existed (it seems to be dead now), such as this article from the Boston Globe or the one from the book wiki entry).
 * Not particularly relevent when the film was going to be released since the project has been aborted. Removed. Skomorokh  incite 14:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 29 - This one is referring to Imdb ('yet the project remains unlisted by the Imdb'), so, if we are to assume that any reference to Imdb is poor research, then this part of the sentence should be removed. It could possibly be replaced with something like; 'but nothing further has been heard since the announcement', which wouldn't require a reference.
 * Web searches are not very reliable sources, removed. Skomorokh  incite 14:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 31 - As with Pattern Recognition, I can't see a release date for Neuromancer anywhere. Additionally, the article currently linked requires a registration (ImdbPro). I suggest taking the date out for this one aswell.
 * Date unneccessary, removed. Skomorokh  incite 14:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 40 - This is confirming that the supercomputer in Hackers is referred to as a Gibson. An alternative for this could be this article, however i don't really like the source as it seems heavy on adverts and other crap.
 * While not easily replaceable, IMDb trivia is entirely user-contributed, AFAIK. Removed. Skomorokh  incite
 * Opinions?


 * CaNNoNFoDDa 20:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * All gone. I tried searching for replacements without luck, but none of this info is really essential to the article, although the quote was a nice illustration. Are we to assume there are no further sourcing issues with the article? Skomorokh  incite 14:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

No other clear issues, GA passed. Alientraveller 09:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Huge thanks to Skomorokh for his hard work on this article :) --Quiddity 17:06, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Seconded. Good work! CaNNoNFoDDa 17:35, 26 September 2007 (UTC)


 * For your kind words and non-trivial assistance, Skomorokh thanks you from the bottom of eir gender-neutral heart. Anyone got the energy for a FA drive? ;) Skomorokh  incite 21:42, 4 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Wouldn't hurt to at least work out what work is needed ;p CaNNoNFoDDa 17:18, 5 October 2007 (UTC)

→continued in FA Drive.

Saying that WGibson coined cyber punk might be wrong
According to [ http://project.cyberpunk.ru/idb/cyber_punk.html], [ http://www.voidspace.org.uk/library/cyberpunk.shtml#bethke] and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Bethke there is a Bruce Bethke that was earlier with his Cyberpunk novel. If this is correct the part "partly due to coining the term cyberspace in 1982" of the first sentence should be rewritten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.183.170.241 (talk) 21:39, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * You mean Bruce Bethke. None of these articles (including the wikipedia one) cite any sources, however neither do they contradict the first paragraph of this article (the voidspace article repeats some of it). The first part of this article is not saying that he invented the term cyberpunk, but that he has been called the father of it. It is saying that he invented the term cyberspace.


 * It should also be noted that the russian site you cite credits William Gibson as inventing cyberspace and cyberpunk science fiction:
 * "So, William Gibson didn't invent the word 'cyberpunk'. But he invented the cyberspace and the cyberpunk science fiction."


 * I hope this addresses your concerns. CaNNoNFoDDa 23:16, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * According to Brave New Words: The Oxford Dictionary of Science Fiction, Bethke coined the term "cyberpunk" in 1983 (Amazing Stories, 11/1983, p.94) and Gibson coined the term "cyberspace" in 1982 in his story "Burning Chrome" (Omni, July 1982, p.72). The sentence in question correctly states his coining of the one word and does not imply the coining of the other word. Shsilver 00:34, 6 October 2007 (UTC)