Talk:William Haughey, Baron Haughey

William Russell Seymour Haughey
I can't find a source to confirm these middle names Russell Seymou. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 13:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Requested move 3 January 2024

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The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. – robertsky (talk) 15:30, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

William Haughey, Lord Haughey → William Haughey, Baron Haughey – to correct the title of nobility&#32;Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 12:22, 30 December 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). – robertsky (talk) 08:43, 3 January 2024 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * This needs clarification. The article calls him both Baron and Lord. There is a mention of him receiving the title Baron for a city in 2013, but a business article about him published in 2018 (currently footnote #43) calls him Lord which appears to cover all of Scotland. The Lord title is either more current (like a job promotion) or takes precedence over his other titles. Other folks would know more about this than me. ---  DOOMSDAYER 520 (TALK&#124;CONTRIBS) 14:09, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * My understanding (per Lord) is that Lord is a catch-all title for various more specific titles, most common of which is Baron. So both Lord Haughey and Baron Haughey are correct, and they refer to the same title. For slightly obscure reasons, Wikipedia tends to prefer Baron in these titles even though in common usage Lord is generally much more common. &mdash; Amakuru (talk) 20:27, 30 December 2023 (UTC)
 * As a baron, he would be referred to as Lord Haughey as short hand (or The Right Honourable The Lord Haughey as fancy shorthand), but when its in the form of "[First name] [last name] [comma] [title]", it has to be William Haughey, Baron Haughey. The current article title is incorrect (as is Amakuru's conclusion above). The current article title suggests a rank of either a judicial lordly title (see the members of the Supreme Court) or a Scottish Lord of Parliament: he is neither, he is a baron, which is different. Gaia Octavia Agrippa Talk 20:52, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Support. His title is definitely Baron Haughey. "Lord" is just a generic form of address for all male peers. We use the former form on Wikipedia. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:58, 8 January 2024 (UTC)