Talk:William II, Count of Nevers

Removal of picture "submission of William"
Hi. I'm removing this picture because I believe that it is that of his contemporary William II of Aquitaine, who famously had to make his submission to Raoul of Burgundy in 924, after much resistance (and the resistance resumed after the act too, just not so much "in-your-face" as before); that submission led to a definitive change in the status of the county of Nevers, so yes it is very notable and worthy of a picture. I may be wrong, note; only I just spent several instructive days looking into that one in much detail and I'll need serious proof of the contrary (always good to learn). Ok, that William in the picture is wearing a religious robe. But W. of Nevers shut himself in the Grande Chartreuse and for all I know did not bulge from it until he died there short of a year later - at least I found no trace of any kind that shows or even suggests that he got out while he was there. What is that bag that he is carrying? As a 'monk' William II of Nevers did not bring/carry his possessions (the bag in the picture) anywhere to anyone, and certainly not to the Grande Chartreuse as he gave the county/ies away to his son before going there. And as a count he never made any notable submission - that is, his submissions were no event, just routine. Then why the robe for W. of Aquitaine? Could represent his putting a girdle (as monks do) on his appetite for power/similar. That submission sure must have grated on him. Such symbolic representations are strewn all over paintings of all kinds and especially those of these centuries (very general statement, although true). Again I may be wrong, thank you for showing me where :) I may not come back here for a while, so if you think you have a good proof that the picture is that of W. of Nevers after all, please don't wait for me to come back to put the picture back, thanks. Basicdesign (talk) 12:49, 2 January 2018 (UTC)