Talk:William III of England

Requested move 15 February 2024

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. – robertsky (talk) 00:35, 23 February 2024 (UTC)

William III of England → William II and III – He was not only the king of England. He was also the king of Scotland and Ireland. William II and III is both more accurate than the current title and also completely unambiguous, so you can get rid of the territorial designation. There was only one William II and III. The Scottish number should go first for consistency with James VI and I. DieOuTransvaal (talk) 23:18, 15 February 2024 (UTC)


 * Oppose Technically he was William I of Ireland. See my comments at Charles I. PatGallacher (talk) 01:33, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose per WP:SOVEREIGN: Where a monarch has reigned over a number of states, use the most commonly associated ordinal and state. Rosbif73 (talk) 08:47, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Use the common(er) unambiguous name. Celia Homeford (talk) 12:36, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * The common name is William of Orange, William III of Orange or William III DavidDijkgraaf (talk) 12:43, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Comment "William" was a rather common family name in the House of Orange-Nassau. Besides him, we have articles on William the Silent (the house's founder), William II, Prince of Orange, William IV, Prince of Orange, William V, Prince of Orange, and William I of the Netherlands (who was also William VI, Prince of Orange). Dimadick (talk) 13:18, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * My point was that William III of England is not his common name. DavidDijkgraaf (talk) 13:28, 16 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. England has more than 10x the population of Scotland, so it follows that he is most commonly associated with England, per WP:SOVEREIGN the name should be the current title. "Where a monarch has reigned over a number of states, use the most commonly associated ordinal and state. For example, Charles II of England, not Charles II of England, Scotland and Ireland; Philip II of Spain, not Philip I of Portugal." Do you think Charles I of Austria should be moved to Charles I, III & IV?
 * UmbrellaTheLeef (talk) 13:02, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
 * Comment - I certainly can understand your nominating this page for a name change. At this moment, all monarch bios are extremely inconsistent with how they're named. GoodDay (talk) 15:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
 * Oppose. Very clear WP:COMMONNAME. Nobody even calls him that. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:54, 22 February 2024 (UTC)

Portrait
@Robertus Pius Why is this version better? DavidDijkgraaf (talk) 19:29, 16 April 2024 (UTC)


 * It’s the most realistic looking. The other portrait just looks odd. Yes it might have more pixels but, aesthetically it looks worse. The portrait I propose looks much better in the infobox.  Robertus Pius  (Talk • Contribs) 20:32, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
 * I don't think it looks aesthetically better and the current version of the painting in the infobox seems less well maintained. Anyway, I am not gonna push the issue. I will just leave the two images here so that other possible readers can decide.
 * DavidDijkgraaf (talk) 20:50, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

Robb
Robb page 267 says "From the mast-head of Den Briel the Prince’s banner streamed out defiantly bearing the legend 'Pro Religione et Libertate — Je Maintiendrai'.*

* 'For Religion and Liberty — I will maintain'."

This is available for anyone to see for free at https://archive.org/details/williamoforangep0002robb/page/266/mode/2up. It does NOT say The banner read: "Pro Religione et Liberate -- Je Maintiendrai", which translated means "For Religion and Liberty -- I will maintain". Je Maintiendrai is the motto of the House of Orange-Nassau." This is a paraphrase, and so should not be in a blockquote as if it is the words of Robb. Quotations should be as in the original text, not paraphrased or rewritten. Furthermore, Robb does not show the arms. Robb does not say the coat of arms was on the banner. Robb does not say that the motto is that of the House of Orange-Nassau. On the other hand, Robb does say that another source contradicts the claim of what was on the banner, with at least one saying that it read "Pro Religione Protestante. Pro Libero Parliamento." Celia Homeford (talk) 14:56, 23 May 2024 (UTC)

I see no benefit from the addition of a massive, badly-sourced, badly-written, and badly-formatted footnote of barely relevant content (which is presumably why it is relegated to a footnote in the first place). DrKay (talk) 17:12, 23 May 2024 (UTC)