Talk:William Jewell College/Archive 1

Photo of Clock Tower
Not much needs to be said about this, other than the school has never granted its permission to use this photo (the College's administration can confirm this). It should be removed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.185.119.88 (talk) 01:03, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The copyright info says it was taken by a wikipeida user, do you have a link or something to prove otherwise? Is it on the college website?-Grey Wanderer | Talk 02:31, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * As I took that photo myself, I wonder: how this could violate any copyright laws? This is a fair use situation anyway, and the school is a public place that can be photographed by anyone.  If you would prefer to upload a higher-quality picture go right ahead (the one I added is a bit drab), but without any legal prohibitions, the article is better with a picture than without.  -- χγʒ͡ʒγʋᾳ (talk) 02:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If Xyzzyva is telling the truth, then there is not problem putting the picture back in. Unless 204.185.119.88 can provide any evidence I'm inclined to believe Xyzzyva.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 02:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Are we sure that these new photos are not copyrighted?65.30.50.222 (talk) 23:55, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * In fact, the new photos are also copyrighted. I am not sure why Grey Wanderer is inclined to believe Xyzzyva, but again, any Jewell administrator will support my contention that the photos are copyrighted.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.185.119.88 (talk) 00:08, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Show us where these photos are online then. Because I think it unlikely that Xyzzyva scanned photos from a college material and uploaded them. If they are copyright then show us the webpage and I will remove them and warn Xyzzyva myself, but until then, Xyzzyya seems to be telling the truth. They certainly don't look like photos a professional photographer would take (no offense Xyzzyva). Remember what you say on the talk page is not considered a reliable source, find us some proof! -Grey Wanderer | Talk 18:39, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * I looked into this more and did some research. Previously, it had been my understanding from an authoritative source that these new photos were also copyrighted by the school.  It turns out the that they were photographs taken by a student who was employed by the College as a "student tour guide."  The College is currently considering whether or not this means that it has a claim on them (if the student took them in his capacity as a guide).  In the mean time, I can confirm that the person who posted these photos is NOT the student who shot them, and that the student who shot took them had no idea that they were being used (he/she had posted them on his/her "The Facebook" account; I can provide his/her contact information to Wikipedia administrators if need be).  In fact, if my research is correct, the student who posted these is likely someone who has experienced some difficulties in graduating, leading me to think that this is probably some axe he is grinding??  Regardless of his motives, he absolutely did NOT shoot these photos or have permission to post them.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.185.119.88 (talk) 22:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Sir, I preferred to respond to your email here. Those second two photos (taken by his parents during the Walk Around the Quad) were indeed borrowed from a friend's facebook photo page.  Upon further consideration, they are not okay for wikipedia's licensing guidelines (until I obtain direct permission later tonight).  The earlier photograph (which you insisted on removing) I took while on a visit to Jewell while still in high school.  The bit about the "national liberal arts college" would be very appropriate to include in this article if you would provide a source (perhaps from the "literature" you reference).  Until then it is improper to include that in the opening sentence, and I meant no offense by advocating its removal.  That being said, I'm not sure how I have "harassed" you or anyone else, nor how I have done any "axe grinding".  I have little but positive things to say about my experience at Jewell, and was merely trying (the same as you) to improve the quality of its entry on wikipedia, while keeping it within the guidelines for reliable sources.  I don't appreciate veiled threats, and I ask you in the future to please assume good faith.  -- χγʒ͡ʒγʋᾳ (talk) 23:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)


 * If anyone actually cares: upon even further review, one of my friends admitted to posing as 204.185.119.88 in order to play an elaborate prank on me. I'll admit it, I have been punk'd.  Case closed.  -- χγʒ͡ʒγʋᾳ (talk) 05:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Well......right then. -Grey Wanderer | Talk 16:01, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't WJC WANT all the publicity, including images posted here, that it can get? They sure seem to WANT my alumni contributions, judging by the mail they send. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.2.60 (talk) 08:36, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

National Liberal Arts College
William Jewell correctly identifies itself as a national liberal arts college. Its Wikipedia page should reflect this distinction. While a subjective process, a small college's classification as either national or non-national/regional is judged according to the quality of its entering classes, where it draws students from (only in the state? the region (i.e. as one expert colorfully put it, "the Dirty Ol' South")?  nationally?  internationally?), the school's prestige and notoriety, the placement of its alumni, etc.       —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.185.119.88 (talk) 01:01, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The school is obviously not a reliable source on itself. If you can find some sort of third party, authoritative reference that gives school's descriptions of "national" or "international."  Then there is no reason for someone to remove the content.  However as it is not; the statement is just fluff and marketing but the school.  A Carnegie classification is an example of a descriptive non-biased way to express the relative importance of the school.  If it is removed again, you should leave it that way and avoid a potentially damaging edit war.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 01:14, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Until someone provides a reliable source for the school's "national" status, would anyone object to changing that part to say instead that Jewell refers to itself as a "national liberal arts college", something we can easily find references for? -- χγʒ͡ʒγʋᾳ (talk) 02:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * It's my opinion that that there is no such source for "national status". I think it is pure marketing and branding by the university, something that probably doesn't belong on Wikipedia.  I'll remove the qualifier completely, but if 204.185.119.88 has a source then by all means put it back in.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 02:40, 8 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Jewell meets the criteria of a national liberal arts college. It is certainly not my fault if other individuals are not "up" on the terminology in this area.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.185.119.88 (talk) 00:10, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This whole debate is bizarre. It really smacks in sock puppet tone (including "ask the president") that was put forth earlier by somebody claiming to be a Jewell staff (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mark_Van_Tilburg which was an attempt to censor the article.  I really hope this is not the work of anybody official at the school.  I've written a lot of articles about universities across the country and Jewell arguably has the most interesting history of any school I've seen.  The article should speak for itself on whether Jewell is a good school.  Trying to make the school look better by adding unsubstantiated Point of View claims only makes the school seem puny and full of ignorant, close minded hicks.  It's made all the worse because the additions are anonymous.  Jewell deserves much better. Americasroof (talk) 01:48, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

What is this criteria? who decides it? Can you provide a source? These are important questions, if you can find answers then I will help you integrate the information into the article, if not, then according to Wikipedia's polices any editor has the right to remove it, as three separate editors have done so far.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 18:43, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

I am a Jewell graduate (class of 1993) and an employee (Executive Director of Alumni Relations & Annual Giving). The term "liberal arts college" and the status of being referred to as a "national liberal arts college" can certainly be subjective, as you'll find many institutions that refer to themselves with these references. An institution may distinguish itself as a "national" or "top" liberal arts college because it demonstrates nationally competitive student outcomes, programs, and/or has a national presence. While this distinction is somewhat objective, there are a few third-party references that can provide a more unbiased endorsement. "National" liberal arts colleges typically appear on the annual list of 265 institutions ranked nationally, rather than regionally, by U.S. News and World Report. William Jewell is included annually in the ranking category of Best Liberal Arts Colleges by U.S. News and World Report, and is currently ranked in the third tier of this category. Another third party confirmation of William Jewell College being referenced as a national liberal arts college comes from the Annapolis Group. There are more than 1,750 private institutions with an enrollment under 2,000 in the United States. Many of these institutions claim a liberal arts orientation. William Jewell is among the few invited for membership in the Annapolis Group, which is a consortium of the "top 125 national liberal arts colleges." I don't want my comments to appear to "smack in puppet tone." I just want to be sure that these facts speak for themselves, and that my alma mater is properly represented on its Wikipedia page. - Kent Huyser '93


 * Hi, Mr Huyser. Can you find a specific link or something else from US News supporting the use of this term?  I'm not doubting there is one.  I just have trouble finding one via Google, what with US News releasing a new list every year and hundreds of colleges seeking to puff up their marketing profiles.  That's really the issue here, to me and my friends (Jewell grads all), this has always seemed like an empty term used solely for marketing reasons, not some common-sense descriptor like the liberal-arts part.  Anyway, I'll be happy to help you include a specific source for the term if you know of one.  Cheers! — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 22:44, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Radio Station
Just wanted to make anyone interested in this article that may have been associated with the school while the radio station was still on the air that the article for the radio station is seriously lacking in documentation of what it was like before the tornado, how it was managed, how it is managed, and what, if any, broadcasting program still exists. Are the students still involved in the project at all? - The article's at KWJC. Many thanks, MrZaius  talk  21:52, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

KWJC
Can someone please check and see if KWJC is still on the air? I can't pick up anything on 91.9 from Gladstone. Please update KWJC accordingly, as well as this page, if not. We might also want to merge that here, if the station's defunct. MrZaius talk  18:42, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If you haven't already here's the website contact info with a phone #

http://www.jewell.edu/william_jewell/gen/william_and_jewell_generated_pages/KWJC_Radio_91.9_FM_p185.html Americasroof 19:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Was hoping that someone might have news reports one way or the other - doesn't seem to be much of anything on news.google.com that's current/relevant, and the FCC isn't saying much either.. Been my personal experience that OR and self-published interviews and what not don't last terribly long here, and they probably shouldn't. MrZaius  talk  19:48, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately it's K-Love now.
 * http://kcradio.tripod.com/919.html
 * http://www.klove.com/Music/stationsPrinterFriendly.aspx


 * Americasroof 20:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Guess you already knew that since you KWJC wrote the article in March. Americasroof 20:17, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yup. It looks like they have a Live365 station of regular college rock, as well, but that hardly warrants a seperate article.  What confused me was that when I got bored and turned my dial to 91.9, I just got static, in spite of being just ~10-15 miles away.  Wonder if they aren't even bothering to broadcast the K-Love feed anymore.  MrZaius  talk  20:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Edits by User:Mark Van Tilburg
Editor Mark Van Tilburg nuked the entire history section and turned the article into a puff piece. I have reverted all the edits. I am going to assume good faith that Mark is a newbie as I see user contributions on history of presidents (which is much needed). The president articles are also puff pieces but could probably be worked out and so I am willing to help along the edits as long as they don't pecome adverts.Americasroof (talk) 16:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried to be patient about this. But all of the edits come from   I'm going to have to have him blocked.  Americasroof (talk) 20:29, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Fiji
I'm aware of the letter issue, however this is Wikipedia, not a Fiji publication. We are not bound to follow fraternity bylaws on this matter. Out of respect for you, I am open to some sort of compromise, but I cannot think of one. It is inconsistent to put "FIJI" in a list otherwise comprising Greek letters, and blanking them all is not a good alternative. For now, I am going to revert that last edit, but if you can come up with a good compromise idea, I'm all for it. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 16:13, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Building Illustrations
I uploaded (to Wikimedia Commons, see the link below) some public domain illustrations I found of buildings on the William Jewell campus (Ely Hall and College Building). The book that the illustrations came from was published in 1893, so I don't know if these buildings even still exist (I've never been on campus). I thought they might be of use to someone who knows more about the school. HornColumbia (talk) 01:01, 7 November 2009 (UTC) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:William_Jewell_College


 * The picture titled "College Building" is of Jewell Hall, still standing, the centerpiece of the campus. The picture titled "Ely Hall" is, I believe, of Old Ely Hall, once in the middle of the quad but now demolished, not the modern Ely Hall (a girls' dorm), though the two building coexisted for some time, rather oddly considering they shared a name. — ˈzɪzɨvə (talk) 22:26, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Baptist Affiliation templates and categories
Somehow the school was still in the template and category for the Baptist convention it was formally associated with. I went ahead and fixed this. That said, would anyone have any objections to removing the WikiProject Christianity banner at the top of this page? Grey Wanderer (talk) 19:06, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Blaming HLC for the college's program reductions and eliminations
This article previously stated that "The Higher Learning Commission sanctions have sparked the college’s reduction or elimination of core liberal arts courses and programs in Studio Art, Classics, Religion, and Foreign Language." This assertion was supported by this reference. As the title of that article clearly states, it's completely false to imply that the accreditor motivated these program changes; the accreditor is concerned that the college is drawing down its endowment because that is a sign of serious financial problems. The college has many ways to potentially respond to those concerns and the leadership has chosen to reduce and eliminate some programs, not the accreditor. ElKevbo (talk) 11:42, 13 June 2019 (UTC)