Talk:William Spence

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Adam, I am at a loss to see why you would find it necessary to delete the quote from Bill Shorten about the Eureka Stockade, the quote from Spence himself on the Common Good, or the reference to Spence's collaboration with King O'Malley on the Commonwealth Bank. --Herschelkrustofsky 15:46, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I intend deleting every edit you make to Australian articles, for reasons you know perfectly well. Adam 16:23, 13 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Adam, your behavior is not always this petulant. I welcome your expansions of the stub articles that I have written, but I object to your deletions of legitimate information, without offering any more of an explanation than an apparently capricious spitefulness. Your attitude is at odds with Wikipedia policy. --Herschelkrustofsky 07:56, 14 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Adam, you have repeatedly deleted the following information from this article:


 * "According to Bill Shorten, National Secretary of the AWU, "...at the age of eight he witnessed first hand the rebellion at the Eureka Stockade in Ballarat which was where he reported that he got his first taste for fighting in defence of Liberty and Justice.""


 * "By the 1890s he had become active in the political arena. He spoke in favor of the "common good," a concept akin to the General Welfare reference in the Preamble to the U.S. Constitution:


 * The masses must not only take a deeper interest in political questions, but they must make the politics of the country. The welfare of the people must be raised to the first place-must be the uppermost and foremost consideration. How best to secure the good of all without injury to any should be the aim- not commercial supremacy, not cheap production regardless of the human misery following, but rather the broadest justice, the widest extension of human happiness, and the attainment of the highest intellectual and moral standard of civilised nations should be our aim....Let each remember that man had failed before because each carelessly left to some other the work of the Common Good. We must reverse that. Each must take his or her share. With unity above all as our watchword, the Common Good our aim, we will soon find common ground of agreement as to the way in which the goal should be reached. The best start we can give to our children is the certainty of better conditions; the sweetest memory of us to them the fact that we did so. "


 * "In 1898 Spence entered politics himself, becoming MP for Cobar in western New South Wales, and became a key member of King O'Malley's "torpedo brigade", which organised the Labor caucus in Parliament to vote for O'Malley's Commonwealth Bank."

Are you disputing the accuracy of these items, or are you making an ostentatious display of contempt for the Wikipedia NPOV policy?

--Herschelkrustofsky 21:53, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

For the record, the material that User:Herschelkrustofsky complains has been removed was copied directly from an article, "A national bank, for national sovereignty", on a LaRouche site, the Citizens Electoral Council. This copying was a direct violation on a ban by the Arbitration Committee on the addition of LaRouche material to articles that are not "closely related" to the LaRouche movement. That HK not only made this banned edit but then went on to defended it by attacking the editors who tried to remove it is evidence of a problem which is currently being addressed (again) by the Arbitration Committee. Requests for arbitration/Lyndon LaRouche Part Deux. -Willmcw 22:05, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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