Talk:William of Villehardouin

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I altered the final sentence, which said that French was his 'native' language, because neither this article nor that on his father explains how this fact would be known. If someone knows what language he learned 'at his mother's knee', please revert! Andrew Dalby http://perso.wanadoo.fr/dalby/ 17:31, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Very true. I should have added "paternal language", which is factualy correct, since I do not remember any info for Geoffrey I's wife. The way that you edited it, is also fine with me.--FocalPoint 20:16, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

You guys must be kidding us? You actually have as the last sentence;

"William was also noted as a poet and troubadour, and the Manuscrit du Roi, containing two of his own compositions, was written in Achaea during his reign. He was fluent in both French and Greek."

Just upon what source(s) do you place this remark?

Was "William" a part of the Roman Church? Was he a member of a famous society?

Or was his words later translated?

I am sorry but I did not formally enter my words here! Domage!

But it seems that no one has any vested interest in this personage!

Otherwise, one would seem to recognize that his very name as you and most other historical versions present him,. are far and away rempoved from reality. That is this man or this series of men, is not given the period or place of timne wherin he was "Present" or even in control!

But the real point is the "Place" of his at least most famous "HOLD!" By the very words used to describe this man, as you have done above this site, has called this personage as "William II of VILLEHARDOUIN!" Which means, at the least, that he was origianally from or used the name of this town to his advantage, that we must admit that "William II". at the least, and as the "most" via current histiorical research tends to force the above man into a narror position.

But, perhaps all of the above is mere "mush", and the name "Villhardouin", which automatically means nothi8ng more than the name of a place or posiotion on an new mapl as being the name of a town called "HARDOUIN!", or thus the "town of Hardouin!:"

Can anyone place the city/cit/cit, etc., to any modern place in France or N. Europe, etc.?

Ronald L. Hughes

96.19.156.227 (talk) 02:59, 13 January 2012 (UTC) Regnal titles — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.19.156.227 (talk) 01:35, 13 January 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm not sure what you're saying, but Villehardouin is now part of Val-d'Auzon. Adam Bishop (talk) 05:23, 13 January 2012 (UTC)