Talk:William of Villehardouin/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: Cplakidas (talk · contribs) 07:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

Will review this over the following days. Constantine  ✍  07:55, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
 * GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)


 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):  d (copyvio and plagiarism):
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * 1) It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free content have non-free use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Lede
 * victory near Thebes I assume the Battle of Karydi is meant here? Karydi is not near Thebes though, but a mountain north of Megara, close to Pateras.
 * Done (I preferred to say Attica).
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * Lede
 * victory near Thebes I assume the Battle of Karydi is meant here? Karydi is not near Thebes though, but a mountain north of Megara, close to Pateras.
 * Done (I preferred to say Attica).
 * victory near Thebes I assume the Battle of Karydi is meant here? Karydi is not near Thebes though, but a mountain north of Megara, close to Pateras.
 * Done (I preferred to say Attica).


 * Link Achaean fiefs to Lordship of Argos and Nauplia, a decisive defeat to Battle of Pelagonia, and seized Constantinople to Reconquest of Constantinople
 * Done.


 * Background
 * emerged on the western and eastern borderlands of the Byzantine Empire respectively have rephrased this slightly, but for the benefit of our readers, I would suggest a more precise phrasing: 'emerged in western Greece and western Anatolia respectively' or similar.
 * I would prefer the present wording. Epirus included Albanian territories as well.


 * they reconquered Anatolia not quite accurate, as it implies all of Anatolia, which they definitely did not; and most of the Byzantine territories were not conquered by the Franks either way. I would suggest just leaving it out.
 * Done.


 * 'triarchs' is not a Hebrew word, in fact it is English.
 * Yes, it is clearly not a Hebrew word. I wanted to indicate its Greek origin.

The rest of the article to come later today. Constantine  ✍  07:50, 4 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Expansion and crusade
 * Have made some copyedits for style and clarity.
 * Thank you for them.


 * The date of the capture of Monemvasia is disputed. I suggest consulting Guillaume Saint-Guillain, The Conquest of Monemvasia by the Franks.
 * I explained it in a note.


 * Add a link to the Genoese occupation of Rhodes.
 * Done.


 * War of the Euboeote Succession
 * Per above, 'triarchs' is an English word and does not need italics. But for consistency I recommend using 'triarch' and 'triarchy' throughout, or the Italian terms.
 * Done.


 * Since there exists a main article for the topic, much of the information in the second paragraph is redundant or can be summarized.
 * Longnon appears to be relying on the 'traditional' narrative according to Hopf. I recommend relying only on Setton. I am in the process of correcting/updating the main article accordingly, including Loenertz as a source.
 * Defeat and captivity
 * the citation needed tag at a source of dubious reliability needs to be resolved
 * Done.


 * William not only swore fealty to Michael VIII, but also received the high title of megas domestikos. I would recommend consulting Geanakoplos' work on the issue of William's negotiations with the Byzantine emperor.
 * I do not have access to Geanakoplos's work.
 * Please check your email. Constantine  ✍  19:30, 18 June 2022 (UTC)


 * Conflicts with the Byzantines
 * Again, for this section at least I would expect to see Geanakoplos used. Lognon as well.
 * I do not have access to Geanakoplos's work. Borsoka (talk) 05:56, 11 June 2022 (UTC)


 * I assume that William defeated the Greeks at Nikli refers to the Battle of Makryplagi?
 * Family
 * William was also noted as a trouvère ("poet/composer"), and the Manuscrit du Roi, containing two of his own compositions, was written in Achaea during his reign this does not really belong in this section, and requires a reference.
 * Done. Borsoka (talk) 06:46, 11 June 2022 (UTC)

That's it for now, will do another read-through when the above points are dealt with. Constantine  ✍  12:56, 4 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you for the thorough review and also for your suggestion. I am on holiday now, so I have no access to my library. I can start addressing the issues you raised above in the weekend. Borsoka (talk) 03:02, 7 June 2022 (UTC)
 * no worries, take your time and enjoy your vacation! Constantine  ✍  07:40, 8 June 2022 (UTC)
 * sorry, I have not received your email. I am thinking of withdrawing the nomination and complete the article after I seized Geanakoplos's work. It seems to be a book of high quantity and its subjects is within my area of interest. Borsoka (talk) 04:45, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I used the email user function, possibly the email is outdated. Please send me a current address on my email. As to the nomination, as you wish, but I have no problem with waiting a bit longer. Constantine  ✍  15:39, 13 July 2022 (UTC)