Talk:Wilmslow Road

Bus Corridor
I would appreciate some opinions on the bus corridor map I have provided. e.g. Yaris678 (talk) 18:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Should I be using the rail-style route map icons?
 * Is something better available?
 * Would people appreciate more detail?
 * What kind of detail? Journey times?  Distances?  Route Numbers?  Routes which join and leave the corridor?

Please do not change the current entry to the bus corridor as it explains the history of the competition and the recent consolidation which has taken place - Bullocks to Stagecoach etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.60.98.134 (talk) 12:00, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's a bit futile asking people not to change the entry... modifying the articles to improve them is how wikipedia works... In any case, some of the assertions you made require citations, or be written more encyclopedically (for example the statement that some operators had unroadworthy vehicles). --David Edgar (talk) 21:02, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Dear unsigned person. I agree that the new text on the bus corridor contains useful information.  However, the way it is written feels more like a personal view than an encyclopedia entry.  Can you improve it?  Yaris678 (talk) 20:42, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The text hasn't been improved and so has been reverted. I have added the one bit of useful information I could gleen from the text added by 62.60.98.134 - the fact that the competition is not as great as it used to be.  Yaris678 (talk) 00:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Area Covered
This article covers Oxford Street and Oxford Road as well as Wilmslow Road. I have taken this concept from the artical as I found it. I think that works well because It is all basically one road. But it can be slightly confusing. Can anyone think of a better name for the article or a way to clarify the situation concisely? Yaris678 (talk) 22:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps the page should be called Wilmslow Road, Oxford Road and Oxford Street. I know this is a long name but is could work quite well:

Wilmslow Road, Oxford Road and Oxford Street is is a major thoroughfare in Manchester, England. It runs from Parrs Wood in the south of the city to St Peter's Square in Manchester City Centre...

Yaris678 (talk) 20:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I travel down this road every day. Cheadle Road turns into Wilmslow Road, and then in turn changes to High Street, Manchester Road, then back to Wilmslow Road in Parrswood. I changed the article to reflect this but it's been reverted back... – How do you turn this on (talk) 22:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * So can I correct the mistake on the article, or will I be reverted again? – How do you turn this on (talk) 16:28, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... yes but since the road goes all the way to Oxford we could end up with a very different article if we continue in that vein. I admit to not being entirely satisfied with the current situation but let's consider the alternatives:

1. Separate articles for Oxford Road, Oxford Street, Wilmslow Road (Manchester), Manchester Road, Wilmslow Road (Cheadle) etc.

2. Cover all roads in The City of Manchester.

3. End at the T-junction in with High Street (Cheadle).

4. End at the T-junction where Wilmslow Road takes a right and straight on is called Cheadle Road.

5. End in the Handforth where Wilmslow Road becomes Manchester Road.

6. Continue to Wilmslow.

7. Continue to Oxford.

Of these, number 1 is the cleanest but it makes it more difficult to talk about some of the defining features of the road such as the buses and the students. Numbers 2, 5 and 6 feel a bit arbitrary because the road is blatantly continuing onwards from the position where the article stops. Numbers 3 and 4 have the advantage of a definite turn in the road to mark the end of the article. However, in both cases there is a Wilmslow Road continuing on from that point or a point very near. Number 7 is just ridiculous.

So any decision we make would be unsatisfying in some way. The article as I found it a few months ago followed option 2. I assume this is why the article is called "Wilmslow Road, Manchester". On balance I concurred with the decision to end the article there. Although most people aren't familiar with the borders of metropolitan boroughs, it is probably more self-explanatory than the other options. In addition there is a physical feature - The Mersey - marking the end of the article and a small gap in the built-up area.

I admit this seems a little unfair to Cheadle. Perhaps the best solution would be to add it to the list of places on the continuing route, as I have just done. Yaris678 (talk) 16:34, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Classification
I have just upped the classification of this article from stub to C. I admit that I may be biassed because I have done most of the changes recently so I would appreciate someone elses opinion on this. Yaris678 (talk) 14:15, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

New Broadcasting House
The fact about there being a previous "Broadcasting House" on Picadilly seems unnecesary on a page about Wilmslow/Oxford Road. Perhaps a stub page should be created for New Broadcasting House. The pevious incarnation can be mentioned on that page. Yaris678 (talk) 12:29, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

When Oxford Road becomes Wilmslow Road
I'm pretty sure the border is before Moss Lane East. Caffe Nero is in the new building opposite Whitworth Park and their website give the address as 8A Oxford Road. http://www.caffenero.com/StoreLocator.asp?AreaID=31

Yaris678 (talk) 12:33, 13 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Looking at it on google maps, it looks like Oxford Road does start at the junction with Moss Lane East - but not Hathersage Road.
 * But this would confirm what you say about the address of Caffe Nero - it's called Oxford Road for the entire length of Whitworth Park. --David Edgar (talk) 13:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

Update: The building opposite Whitworth Park is called Wilmslow Park. Lidl is also in that building and they also give their address as Wilmslow Road. http://storefinder.lidl.com/lidl/lidl.gb/SearchAddress.aspx?SO=&STO=&SP=M13&SEARCH=TRUE

Blockbuster is also on Wilmslow Road. In fact google maps contradicts itself and tells you is is on Wilmslow Road while the map looks like it is otherwise: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=Blockbuster,+M13+0JN

I say we go with Hathersage Road as the border.

Yaris678 (talk) 12:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Is that Caffe Nero you mentioned before the same one you give the address for? Just wondering - isn't Oxford Road numbered starting from the north? So 8A is right at the other end. And its postcode is M1... but by the time the University is reached, the postcode is M13 or something. --David Edgar (talk) 14:03, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

My mistake. That is a different Caffe Nero. If you go to the link I provided above you can find the correct address - Unit 9, Wilmslow Park, Wilmslow Rd M13 0EJ. I think this confirms the evidence from Lidl. We should take Hathersage Road as the border. Yaris678 (talk) 16:29, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The situation could be improved if the City Council put up some street signs for Oxford Road and Wilmslow Road opposite the western end of Hathersage Road and at the eastern end of Moss Lane East. (Google maps is not always correct about the names of roads and streets.)Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:47, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
 * "Thank you for contacting Environment On Call.

The details have been logged on our system and your service ticket number is 1018639. The Highways Inspector will visit the area within 3 working days... Environment On Call Pink Bank Lane, Level 2 Manchester. M12 5QN Tel: 0161 954 9000 Fax: 0161 274 7182 Email: contact@manchester.gov.uk Transition between Oxford Road and Wilmslow Road  To Dept maintaining signs for roads / streets At Hathersage Road (St Mary's Hospital) Oxford Road ends and Wilmslow Road begins. However there are no obvious signs on the new block of shops or on the opposite pavement outside the Whitworth Park fence to make this quite clear. Then at the end of Moss Lane East there should be more signs to identify the main road as Wilmslow Road."Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 09:07, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Routes
I like the Routes section that has been added to Bus Corridor. Perhaps the places that each bus goes should be made consistent. e.g. some buses that go through Withington don't mention Withington but some do. I would suggest using the locations identified in the little map where appropriate. Obviously, the little map can be edited if people feel something is missing. Where places aren't on the little map, perhaps a link to an appropriate page should be provided. Yaris678 (talk) 18:05, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi - the routes are sourced from the GMPTE website, so if they don't mention Withington or wherever, that's a fault with the source. Note that not all the routes are here - I added only the most frequent services that cover the majority of the route. I'm not sure how to use the little map, but feel free to add to it. FYI this article is on my to-do list to work up to GA status. Do you happen to have any books on this road, Yaris?  Majorly  talk  18:15, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Hi - The little map uses the Route diagram template system. It is in the page source code in a kind of mark-up language.  I thought the data would probably be as provided in GMPTE timetables.  I saw the citations - very helpful.  I still think it would help if they were consistent though.  Would you like me to attempt this or do you feel that we should stick with the inconsistent data because it is verifiable by reference to the timetables?  Yaris678 (talk) 07:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If it improves the article, go ahead.  Majorly  talk  16:46, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I have modified the table. I decided to make the use of the bus corridor explicit, rather than listing individual places.  This helps with the 111 because it goes to Withington and Fallowfield but not on Wilmsow Road.  Yaris678 (talk) 12:33, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Well I hope it's not too detailed now. There is only so much that's necessary to include. We are not a travel guide remember.  Majorly  talk  16:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * There is less detail than before. Yaris678 (talk) 16:12, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Are you sure it's necessary to add every bus on the corridor?  Majorly  talk  16:44, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Wasn't that the point of the table? Your original introductory text said "The following bus routes cover all, or parts of Wilmslow Road".  You did actually list a bus that doesn't go on Wilmslow road (147) and one that's on it for about 100 m (111).  Really, if you are going to mention those there are others that could be added, such as the 15.  I admit the table is getting a bit unweildy now.  I can suggest three alternative solutions:
 * Make the table hidden by default.
 * Create a separate article called "List of buses using the Wilmslow Road bus corridor". You could link to this from "Wilmslow Road".
 * Create a separate article called "Wilmslow Road bus corridor". You could link to this from "Wilmslow Road". i.e. main article:Wilmslow Road bus corridor.  This could have more pictures of buses in it, like the ones that were down the side of the table.
 * Yaris678 (talk) 18:55, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * A list article sounds like a great idea. All the bus routes that run on it can be included then.  Majorly  talk  20:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * How's this?  Majorly  talk  21:19, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Great! Love the extra info, more pictures etc.  Any particular reason that the table format has been dropped?Yaris678 (talk) 08:20, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I felt a table was too restrictive for information, personally.  Majorly  talk  11:39, 5 May 2009 (UTC)
 * May I suggest we remove the bus route map from this article now that it has its own article with a duplicate map? Divy (talk) 15:55, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Fine for me.  Majorly  talk  18:26, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

Whitworth Park Halls of Residence
Any reason for the addition of this section to the article? It seems only tangentially related to Wilmslow Road. Is it an attempt to save information that is due to be lost when the article Whitworth Park Halls of Residence is merged into the University of Manchester article? A better approach would be to create an article specifically on University of Manchester accommodation as suggested at the AfD. Yaris678 (talk) 11:59, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Structure and more
I have given Wilmslow Road a bit of a shaking- principally trying to make it into one (or potentially two articles) rather that an amalgam of C&P from Turnpike trusts and a bus article. I have left it so someone can say- lets fork this into Oxford Street and Wilmslow Road or leave it as it is. I will add a few coordinates to give it a bit of validity and give it a rest for the night.--ClemRutter (talk) 19:40, 18 February 2012 (UTC)