Talk:Wimbledon Championships/Archive 2

Chimbledon
I heard a story today about someone posting in the 'also known as chimbledon' line as a joke, please can someone verify this? I notice there is no reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by SebSpratt (talk • contribs) 12:37, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Mixed doubles
How on earth does the Mixed draw work? 48 isn't a power of 2: so when you've had 4 rounds, you've got 3 teams left… Paul Magnussen (talk) 21:22, 4 November 2010 (UTC)


 * In the 2010 US Open there were only 32 teams so no problem. At 2010 Wimbledon, with 48 teams, the top 16 seeded teams got first round byes. Fyunck(click) (talk) 21:48, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Factual Error
Roger federer has won 6 wimbledon titles not 5 as detailed in the article. Perhaps someone could ammend it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.132.51.122 (talk) 06:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Federer is correctly listed under The Championships, Wimbledon at "Winner of most consecutive Gentlemen's Singles titles": 5 in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007. His sixth title was non-consecutive in 2009. His 6 total titles is not a record but is listed at List of Wimbledon gentlemen's singles champions. PrimeHunter (talk) 18:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

New Wimbledon logo
The logo in the infobox should be updated, as a new logo has come out for the Championships. The font is different. Check the official webpage, look at the top left corner's logo. --Dajes13 (talk) 15:24, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Move to "Wimbledon"
Should this be moved just to "Wimbledon" instead. The city Wimbledon has "Wimbledon, city name" so "Wimbledon" doesn't have an article. That is the most common name. "The Championships, Wimbledon" seems little trying and trying to look too professional, rigid and archaic. Simple Wimbledon will catch people's eyes and make it popular and simple. 24.9.97.169 (talk) 20:48, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Wimbledon does have a page...a disambiguation page that links to all the cities, ships, train stations, schools and sports venues named wimbledon. Fyunck(click) (talk) 23:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Make the present wimbledon "Wimbledon (disambiguition)" and make "wimbledon" this article seems more straightforward. Just my opinion. Wimbledon is mostly the tennis I would say. It is same as having "United States Open Championships" instead of simple "US Open" 24.9.97.169 (talk) 05:39, 6 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't doubt that 99.5% of the time Wimbledon means tennis so it's a very good point. However US Open goes to a disambiguation page too, so you'd have to type "US Open (tennis)" to get to the main page. French Open and Australian Open do go to the tennis pages though. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:09, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * US Open tennis and golf are there because there are two exactly same popular names US Open for golf and tennis. If Wimbledon had golf and tennis, it would be ok to have wimbledon tennis and golf, but wimbledon doesn't have equal names in other competitions. Wimbledon city is Wimbledon, city, college is wimbledon college, but the "wimbledon" article is itself being used on a not important disambiguation page that is not an article. Have wimbledion (disambiguation) and use the more general and prestigious "Wimbledon" article for the tennis tournament. I don't think disambig requires its own nice "Wimbledon" article. Just my thought. If you wanna make wimbledon more popular just have it "Wimbledon." No one really cares about "The Championships, Wimbledon." It is "Wimbledon" during talk. All of these tournaments are "championships" by default 24.9.97.169 (talk) 12:41, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
 * How is a disambigous page not important. You're just getting blind now because you can't get your own way. Be logical please! Plus the French championships as it was had never been referred to as the championships similarly the USO has never been reffered to as the National Championships pre-open era. Logic's going out the window here. KnowIG (talk) 09:18, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I think the current title is quite artificial. I've interpreted the logo that the tourney's name is "The Championships", and "Wimbledon" in the logo means only the place. Neither French Open article is called "Roland Garros, Paris". So, IMO, this article should be called something like "The Championships", "The Wimbledon Championships", "The Championships of Wimbledon" or "The Championships in Wimbledon". --August90 (talk) 12:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Official Name of Championships
Is its official name "The All England Lawn Tennis Championship(s)" (is this on the trophies?) and, if so, should this be mentioned in the article? NB I'm certainly not proposing to make this the article title, but just think it should be mentioned if it is indeed the official name. On the Wimbledon website it says "The All England Lawn Tennis Club, which hosts The Championships" but on their scores/results pages, the BBC refers to it variously as "The All England Lawn Tennis Championships" or also the "All England Championships"  — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rja211077 (talk • contribs) 11:45, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Factual Error
The prize money section seems completely off. Even the provided source shows very different numbers. The curent wiki stipulates that as of 2011 both singles women and men's champion earn an impossible 6 million pounds each! The source page, as well as other sources I've just read, show that players only receive about 1.1 million pounds each. I believe the rest of the information is also wrong, including the total prize money which is closer to 14 million pounds than 24. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.252.73.130 (talk)


 * The prize money was vandalized an hour ago. I have reverted it. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:54, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Too Many Opinions
This article reads like an advertisement:

"Wimbledon is widely considered the world's premier tennis tournament"

The above is just one of several "grand-standing" statements in this article...pardon the pun!96.25.189.9 (talk) 04:44, 17 February 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, with it's history, it is easily the most prestigious tennis tournament in the world. It's not even close. Fyunck(click) (talk) 07:14, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Ladies Plate
There is no mention of the old Ladies plate - the consolation tournament for first and second round losers. I was trying to find out when this ended. - A goggle search found a reference to the 1983 edition. Arachrah (talk) 15:53, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Duplication with AELTC article
This article should be about the history of the tournament - references to Croque and indeed to the position of centre court belong in that article. Arachrah (talk) 15:56, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

History
We have beginnings and 21st Century - which seems to start in 1993 - and nothing in between.

When did each tournament begin - what was the draw size and when did it increase. I think the ladies' plate ended when the ladies increased to a full 128 draw but I am not sure.

Is there really a disabled Junior doubles - I cannot find any other reference to this.

Arachrah (talk) 16:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

Marion Bartoli
Why is this player listed as American in this article? Surely she is French? --Ef80 (talk) 18:05, 7 July 2013 (UTC)
 * I see this is now corrected. Thanks to whoever did the fix. --Ef80 (talk) 21:27, 9 July 2013 (UTC)

Antisemitism
There is quite a lot of information in the public domain on the history of anti-semitism and tennis. Can someone include a well researched section into the Wimbledon entry. It needs to be in to reflect a true history of the Wimbledon championships. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.145.142.142 (talk) 11:43, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
 * It probably represents 1000th of a percent of all Wimbledon history as far as inclusion. Including it may be undue weight. However if there is enough info as you say, then perhaps you should start it's own article? Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:40, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Two questions regarding name
So I have two questions.

First, the article currently contains no mention at all of the name "The All England Lawn Tennis Championships". This name is attested by multiple reliable sources, including the BBC, ESPN, and Sky Sports. Is this an archaic name that these sources continue to use, or is it the proper full name which is simply shortened in almost all uses by the organizers, as the by far most common name (simply "Wimbledon") is just the name of the location, so isn't descriptive enough for their uses? Either way, shouldn't it be mentioned in the article?

Which brings me to my next question. Looking through the history, it seems that there's been some changes to the article title over the years, with the current title and "Wimbledon Chamionships" having both been used. But considering the overwhelming use worldwide of "Wimbledon" as the name of the tournament, is the tournament not the primary topic for the name "Wimbledon"? The does seem to be the organizers are the only group to consistently use the current title, making me really question whether the current title is common enough to fit our policies. I'm beginning to think that this article should get the undisambiguated name, while the disambiguation page currently at the title gets the "(disambiguation)" addition. Any thoughts? oknazevad (talk) 03:20, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


 * "All England Lawn Tennis Championships" is worthy of a mention, though personally I'm not a fan of articles which end up with a long list of names in bold. If it can be worked in without creating a clunky list of names at the start then go for it. As for article name: here's some article view stats for May 2015:


 * The Championships, Wimbledon -         41288
 * AFC Wimbledon -                        19683
 * Wimbledon F.C. -                       15321
 * Wimbledon (film) -                     7432
 * Wimbledon, London -                    7164
 * Wimbledon (UK Parliament constituency) 3795
 * Wimbledon station -                    2164
 * I'd be surprised if any other others would come close to these. So certainly you've got a case based on these numbers for this being the primary topic. Equally, I do wonder with the fundamental question - why bother? There is a principle that we shouldn't move pages without good reason to do so... So perhaps tentative support for the idea, but I do question the real need for it. Super Nintendo Chalmers (talk) 08:08, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * The real reason, as I see it, is the search box. Whereas the name "Wimbledon" is the absolutely overwhelming common name for the tennis tournament, and likely the primary topic for the name, yet the search box does not automatically point to it. Linking is also a pain, as the great majority of links to this article take the form Wimbledon . Seems pointless to me. oknazevad (talk) 16:53, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm more of the "why bother camp." It's the official name, but yes, simply Wimbledon is what most sources say. The "All England Lawn Tennis Championships" is more of a fancy colloquialism, but should certainly be mentioned. But heavens no, not in bold in the lead. It was already too long. Fyunck(click) (talk) 17:58, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Is it just a "fancy colloquialism" (which seems pretty contradictory) or is it the original, formal name that has been shortened over time? That's what I'm trying to figure out. Clearly, the official website calls it "The Championships", but the organizers often shorten the names of events, and tend to capitalize (note, I am not in any way arguing for any lowercase use of the the word "Championships"; that would be really dumb!) oknazevad (talk) 18:33, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
 * It's tough to say. With the club being called the "All England Croquet Club" and later the "All England Lawn Tennis and Croquet Club" it was probably called the "All England Lawn Tennis Championships" from an early time period. I have seen old accounts call it the "All England Grass Court Championships". After all, it was this club's championship. But when you look at material such as the All England Lawn Tennis Club Master Plan I don't see "All England Lawn Tennis Championships" at all. It's Wimbledon this and Wimbledon that. Or simply "The Championships". Similar to the fact most English speakers talk in golf of the "British Open" yet the official name is simply The Open. Looking at Wright Ditson Guides of the 20s-30s it looks like "Wimbledon" is the term of choice. Since they have an official non-sponsored name today of "The Championships, Wimbledon" it's what we usually go with. However, whether to have the term "wimbledon" redirect to the tennis event instead of a disambiguation page is another matter. Per the numbers above, the tennis event gets 42% of the hits in May (maybe less in November when the tournament is not gearing up?). It is easily a more searched topic than any other individual article, but not even 50% of all Wimbledon searches. I'd leave the article it as it is, but would seriously look at making it the primary topic for the term Wimbledon. I'm not sure how the geography project would think about that. Fyunck(click) (talk) 20:33, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

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Racism at Wimbledon
There are no black faces in the crowds at Wimbledon. This should be mentioned. Every time I mention it, it's removed.78.149.211.142 (talk) 14:34, 30 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Here's a lift from The Guardian newspaper (to whom thanks): "During a second round match at this year 's Roland Garros, when a blonde American teenager, Ashley Harkleroad, knocked out Daniela Hantuchova, the Eurosport commentator, a former player, excitedly declared that perhaps America had found the women 's champion it was looking for. And the Williams sisters, pray? Sorry, wrong colour.


 * At the Indian Wells final in 2001, Serena was jeered the moment she appeared on court and was booed throughout. Her father, Richard, described how, as "Venus and I were walking down the stairs to our seats, people kept calling me nigger. One guy said, 'I wish it was '75 [alluding to the Los Angeles race riots ]; we'd skin you alive.'"


 * None of this should be surprising. Tennis is an overwhelmingly white middle-class sport, both in those who play and those who watch. Until the Williams' emergence, the only previous black grand-slam champions were Althea Gibson, Arthur Ashe and Yannick Noah. Western societies - be they European or American - are deeply racist: notwithstanding that veneer of politeness and refinement, the middle-class is certainly no exception."Wythy (talk) 14:47, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


 * I don't know how many times you've tried adding it, but when you added it as a new paragraph in the lede the other day it only seemed to have one source that touched on the point directly, a WP:NEWSBLOG about "overwhelmingly white, middle-class crowds". I merged the other sources into "Traditions" and quoted York and Cashmore's actual points about the "remote and insulated" nature of the event compared to modern Britain. If there's more to say, it should go there rather than in the opening paragraphs of the article, and any newsblog opinions must be clearly framed as such, rather than repeated as fact in Wikipedia's voice. --McGeddon (talk) 14:50, 30 June 2016 (UTC)


 * All right. I feel it needs to be said more than in a merge. But I accept that racism is a hobby horse of mine. And I won't flog it to death on the Wimbledon page. Cheers for your efforts and your reply. Wythy (talk) 15:00, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

History of anti-semitism, and link back to Angela Buxton Wikipedia page.
Can someone add in section on Anti-semitism at Wimbledon. Useful for historical reference, when looking at civil rights in the US and UK.

Also needs to be linked to biography of Angela Buxton. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.194.208 (talk) 11:25, 19 November 2016 (UTC)

What happened next
In the Colours and uniform section it says the contract with Polo Ralph Lauren is set to end in 2015. What happened next? Mobile mundo (talk) 20:31, 19 January 2017 (UTC)

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Pineapple
Can someone put in the trophy section why the men's singles trophy is topped by a pineapple? I doubt I'm the only person perplexed by this Harambe Walks (talk) 12:40, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

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I see that the article has several references such as "culminating with the Ladies' and Gentlemen's Singles Final, scheduled for the second Saturday and Sunday of July respectively" which don't match up with the 2017 dates of Monday 3 July – Sunday 16 July when the finals will be on the third Sat and Sun. I'm no Wimbledon expert so don't know when the change was made and what needs to be said - I made a couple of changes to the "Schedule" section when I found the 2017 date, but there seem to be more changes needed. Over to you experts. Pam D  22:16, 3 January 2017 (UTC)

The schedule section is contradictory, with separate comments about the move of dates, and both 2015 and 2017 mentioned. DH. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.253.4.147 (talk) 13:28, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

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Always ended on a Sunday?
The article says, "Wimbledon is scheduled for 14 days, beginning on a Monday and ending on a Sunday." Has that always been the case? A quick check indicates the Men's final (5 July 1975) was a Saturday in 1975, 1980, 1981; but Sunday on 1982 and 1983. Did the days change in 1982? It'd be good to have something about when and why playing days changed. Adpete (talk) 10:33, 8 July 2018 (UTC)


 * First ever Sunday final was 1972: "1972: Stan Smith v Ilie Nastase -- Rain, the first of the fortnight, washed out Saturday play and for the first time in the history of The Championships, the men’s final was played out on the Sunday to the dismay of traditionalists." History - 1970s, wimbledon.com Adpete (talk) 01:52, 9 July 2018 (UTC)


 * OK, found it. The switch happened in 1982: "In a break with tradition, Wimbledon will hold the men's singles final of its tennis tournament on a Sunday next year, officials said today. The women's final will also be switched, from Friday to Saturday. Officials said the Sunday final would increase crowd appeal worldwide and that an extra $750,000 profit would be made to help the sport in Britain. Wimbledon had neen the only major championship to hold its men's final on a Saturday." Wimbledon Switches To Sunday Men's Final, New York Times, October 17, 1981. Adpete (talk) 01:58, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Ladies Singles
Wimbledon has always been quite specific. It is always Men's Singles and Ladies' Singles. They do not use Women's Singles. Shouldn't our draws and articles reflect that usage? Fyunck(click) (talk) 22:55, 28 June 2019 (UTC)

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Records
Please add

Winner of most Gentlemen's Wheelchair titles Since 2016 🇸🇪 Stefan Olsson 2 2017, 2018

Winner of most Ladies/Women's Wheelchair titles Since 2016 Diede de Groot 2 2017, 2018

to the records section

Not sure what the correct term is for the female players.

This also affects the Australian Open (male Shingo Kunieda 9), (female Esther Vergeer 9), French Open (male Shingo Kunieda 7), (female Esther Vergeer 6) & US Open (male Shingo Kunieda 6), (female Esther Vergeer 6). (78.17.89.207 (talk) 20:58, 16 July 2019 (UTC))

"By many ?"
OK there is the Roland Garros in Paris and Flushing Meadows (earlier Forrest Hills) in New York. But I would say Wimbledon is the most prestigious by more than "many". "By all" or "by most" at least. Tennis on grass is usually more entertaining when compared to both the slower clay and faster hard courts. And then there is the longest tradition too. The Australian Grand Slam tournament kind of passed away during the 1970's - and is today played on a hard court. Flushing Meadows is not the same as Forest Hills. It's a newer invention, from the 1980's or late 1970's. Have we had any discussion on this subject before ? Boeing720 (talk) 19:13, 12 July 2019 (UTC)


 * "By all"? So, by every person in the world? Seriously? "By most"? What is the minimum percentage of people that constitutes most? Do you have reliable sources of objective, scientific polling that will verify that? This is an encylopedia. Let's not go overboard with the superlatives. 173.91.60.85 (talk) 13:41, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually, mr IP, "by each and everyone - and totally regardless of tennis-interest" , came up in my mind after having read your reply. By most who play or follow tennis. - One has to be "more" than the others. Which is, if not Wimbledon ? It is an encyclopedic truth - and general truth too - within tennis, Wimbledon is the oldest, most prestigious, most classic of all tennis tournaments. Boeing720 (talk) 19:31, 14 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Oldest = fact. Most prestigious = opinion. Most classic (whatever that means) = opinion. I hope you're not trolling. 173.91.60.85 (talk) 03:27, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Please see WP:WEASEL. oknazevad (talk) 12:39, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Exactly, Oknazevad. 173.91.60.85 (talk) 13:22, 15 July 2019 (UTC)
 * All IP idle talk. It IS a fact - Wimbledon is the most prestigious title to win for tennis players. This has been stated by players as Jimmy Connors, Björn Borg, John McEnroe, Boris Becker, Ivan Lendl, Pete Sampras, Andre Agassi etc Boeing720 (talk) 22:16, 17 July 2019 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
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Move this article?
The discussion on Talk:Wimbledon, London from January 2021 (mentioned above) seems to have quite some support for moving this article to Wimbledon. The current disambiguation page then would have to move to Wimbledon (disambiguation). I think this moves makes sense per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME. Alternatively, Wimbledon Championships could be considered but I'd prefer that one as a redirect as it is now. The current name is not commonly used. In the archives are old discussions about this from 2011 and 2015, and I don't see convincing arguments there against a move that would override WP:PRIMARYTOPIC and WP:COMMONNAME. Gap9551 (talk) 12:16, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Qualification points
The prize money for qualifiers is provided in the table but not the points they accrue. Antipodenz (talk) 04:50, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Wimbeldon Events
There is a dissapointing lack of information about the actual events at Wimbeldon, which is made all the more difficult to fathom when reading about sponsors, ball boys/girls and extensions down to the number of extra seats. There is no information about the championship winners of the junior and invitational events nor their history (e.g. year first introduced to the Championship, past champions). This information should be recorded in the relevant sections including in the lists of champions in the table on the right. I recommend visiting the official US Open website to see the respectful manner in which they wrapped up the 2021 events with an equal approach to recording the respective champions. Antipodenz (talk) 04:55, 15 September 2021 (UTC)