Talk:Winding tower

Winding Tower
I am fairly unenlightened about 19th century engineering, just wanted to try to turn this from a Google interpretation of a German page into something readable. It may be complete tosh. Thanks FruitMonkey (talk) 19:24, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Please Combine Gallows Frame
The entry for Gallows Frame discusses the same topic. Both Winding Tower and Gallows Frame appear to be regional terms, while Headframe, which now redirects to Gallows Frame is the most universal term I've heard. These entries should be combined and moved to that primary term. 128.255.45.57 (talk) 15:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I completly agree that both Gallow frame and Winding Tower should be merged but there is no consensus as to what the correct term should be. It's difficult to state that Gallows and Winding are regional and headframe is not without references. Please could we have some engineering referenced citations before we decide on the route this page will take. Thanks FruitMonkey (talk) 17:12, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I moved Gallows Frame to Headframe as per what I brought up at WP:MINING, only got one response. Anyway, I would like to convert this to a redirect (I have cited from the Hard Rock Miner's Handbook the term as Headframe), but don't particularly want to get rid of the "iconic symbol" section, but there is nothing in that section that is citable, or I wouldn't consider original research...--Kelapstick (talk) 19:03, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think these are all regional terms. The documented references to headframe are all from USA, while winding tower, winding gear and pit head are used in the UK. The German/Belgium reference in English probably depends on who translated it. Have also seen headframe being used in reference to the structure between the shaft and the tower. Traveler100 (talk) 21:49, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed they are all regional terms, but which one should the article be titled? I brought this discussion up somewhere but there never was much of a discussion.  I know I am showing my bias, but headframe is the more cited article, and the Hard Rock Miner's Handbook is Canadian, not Americain.  The discussion is here --Kelapstick (talk) 22:46, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm for moving the article to headframe, I only worked on this article, as I knew of the structures as Winding towers, and when I hunted it down the article was a terrible translation from the German (I think) site. I'm no engineer, but if it does get merged, I would really like the information on the "iconic status" of the structures in post-industrialised areas kept in some form. Yes it's unsourced, but the fact that these structures have been turned into the 'flagmasts' of museums and represented in logos you can see on the internet must count for something. I leave it in your capable hands. Cheers FruitMonkey (talk) 23:17, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Has been converted to a redirect to Headframe as per the minimal discussions that have taken place. The Iconic portion has been copied and edited over there too.  I would like to have some citations for it though.--Kelapstick (talk) 19:34, 20 November 2008 (UTC)