Talk:Windows 7/Archive 1

New Features from Longhorn?
Concerning this sentence in the article: "Blackcomb is likely to include many new features Microsoft can not release with Windows Longhorn." I'm wondering what constrains Microsoft from adding features to Longhorn? - Bevo 21:22, 29 Jul 2004 (UTC)
 * I added that. The release date for Longhorn is unknown. Since it has been so long since XP came out, there is a lot of pressure on Microsoft to release Longhorn sooner to avoid losing market share to Linux (originally, it was to be released sometime in 2005). It is possible that some of the features projected for Longhorn will not be ready by the time it is released (WinFS is one) and thus those features will be pushed out with Blackcomb instead. That information is probably outdated and I bet all the projected features for Longhorn will be ready for the Longhorn release. Microsoft will instead try to stick with XP SP2 for a year or two more and release Longhorn later then first anticipated (thus all features will probably be ready). Feel free to remove the line if you like, it doesn't contribute much. --Will2k 14:48, Jul 30, 2004 (UTC)
 * What you wrote might still apply to WinFS, since it's not going to be in Longhorn, although development on it might have moved it to a beta state by the release of Longhorn for later inclusion as a downloadable update. However, I think it's safe to assume only Blackcomb will have it built-in from the start. -- Jugalator 11:35, Jan 29, 2005 (UTC)

Windows Blackcomb is a transitioning operating system also for the 64 bit platform, it will only be available in 64-bit Editions on the Server for sure. The client is still not determined, but the likely possibility of Windows Blackcomb coming in a 32 bit client version is very low. I also see Blackcomb taking advantage and bringing a new wave of technologies to computing in areas of Social Networking, Presence, Security & Authentication, Speech Recognition and Distributed Computing. The network is a key part of Windows Blackcomb and will be one of its major selling points. The User Interface will change drastically but still be familar to existing Windows users. When I say drastic, I don't mean its a completely different user interface as what has been mentioned coming out of Microsoft's Research such as the Pie UI, but a more instant at your finger tip experience. The idea of digging through menus or expanding trees will basically come to an end. A number of factors will change this in the next five years, this includes Speech recognition, deeper artificial intelligence (this is where the social networking will come in). Looking at hoW users are using computers what he or she is doing in Windows, how this relates to a particular user somewhere else around the world. Of course search will be a detrimental part of all of this and yes, WinFS will be a part of Blackcomb, but it will even be more powerful. In the next 5 years, the minimum hard disk space will be 1TB, and the vast amounts of information that will be accumulated on these hard disk with the pervasiveness of high speed networks and the internet will open up a new problem solving issue for computers. Thats why the new instant ui in Windows Blackcomb will be so revolutionary, simply because it uses Search (with natural language) and speech. The idea of having a Computer, Documents or Recycle Bin folder will be unnecessary in Windows Blackcomb. Yes, you delete unwanted files, they are there, you want to restore them you call them up. (Speech Recognition). Security is there because of cool technologies such as Voice Authentication, no one can call up your deleted files unless its your voice. Intelligence will be in the OS to decipher whether you are present at the computer or its someone else using a recording of your voice to try authenticate. Other cool features include identity authentication using built video cameras to do eye, finger or face recognition. Most of this type of functionality is available today, but the seamless out of the box experience is what will make it different from todays technologies and the point is its at the heart of Blackcomb. The traditional ease of use in Windows will make bring this these technologies to the masses a reality. Andre

Links to Microsoft Information
Are there any confirmed Microsoft Pages outlining this OS?
 * Plenty, even an interesting one from a Bill Gates speech.

Release date?
"Blackcomb is currently planned to release in early 2010." Come on... 2010
 * What about it? Do you have other information? Please explain yourself. -- Jugalator July 7, 2005 21:18 (UTC)
 * That is completely a understandable release date. Think about it; Microsoft released Windows XP in 2001. Windows VI will be released at the end of 2006. That's enough time for a transition to 64-bit operating systems, as well as enough time to fix the coding for Vienna. Also, take into account that Microsoft is attempting to "re-revolutionize" (not a quote, but a term I dubbed regarding Vienna's project) operating systems and the way we interact with computers. That takes more than a year.

Release date
Wikipedia originally said 2010-2012, but now it says 2007. What happened?? Georgia guy 18:21, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I noticed the 2007 date too, and it sounds completely unreasonable, given that Longhorn is planned to release at the end of 2006. Is that from some very old release date schedule? 2010-2012 sounds far more reasonable. -- Jugalator July 7, 2005 21:18 (UTC)

This page says 2011 - but cites no references: http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/04/02/ten_reasons_to_update_to_vista/ (MarkRandall 08:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC))

Name
I'm just curious about the Blackcomb reference. Together with 'Longhorn' there seems to be some Viking influence. Have Microsoft always had this tradition?


 * No, it's a mountain/ski-resort apparently - see Microsoft codenames. Basically, it was going to be Whistler, then Blackcomb; Whistler became Windows XP, and Longhorn, named after a bar in the resort, was inserted in between and somehow became a major release (now announced as Vista). - IMSoP 22:57, 29 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Well I never :) Adambisset 11:23, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Article's tone
I find a few things to be odd about the way this is worded... it sounds much like an advertising pitch rather than an NPOV statement of information. In particular are the references to 'changes in the way we will do computing'. Who are 'we'? What proportion of Wikipedia readers will use this OS? There's no way of knowing, so let's not include everyone automatically, please. Radagast 15:06, August 11, 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the article has changed since your comment but the way it is currently written is fine IMHO. The article makes it clear that it is Microsoft that claims it will change the way we will do computing. This is Microsoft's claim and it doesn't make sense to modify it. You could point out that it only change the way you do computer if you use it but this is unnecessary IMHO. Besides, it it is really turns out to be as good as MS promises, one would expect it would be duplicated in *BSD and other open source OSes 60.234.141.76 10:40, 16 August 2005 (UTC)


 * I agree with Radagast. This sounds like a MS marketing press release.  Plus, Microsoft hasn't officially claimed anything.  This is all supposed "internal sources" (where no citation is given) which basically amounts to an article about rumors. Dukemeiser 02:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

16 bit
The article is confusing. It claims 16 bit (DOS) applications will not be supported. However when most people talk about 16bit applications they think about 16 bit Windows applications. DOS applications are a seperate set of applications. Windows x64 doesn't support 16 bit Windows applications or DOS applications and the 64bit version of Blackcomb will def follow this trend. Perhaps the 32bit version will as well but regardless the wording needs to be reworked IMHO.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that bit about Blackcomb coming in 32-bit and 64-bit versions was written before the product was pushed back to 2010-2011. I don't think Blackcomb is expected to come in a 32-bit option anymore. It will most likely be exclusively for 64-bit processors, which is perfectly reasonable for a product scheduled for 2010-2011. --Omninode 12:13, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I mostly agree that Microsoft shouldn't, and likely won't, bother making a 32-bit version, as anyone still using that old of a processor probably shouldn't (or can't afford to) upgrade their OS anyway. There is very little known about this OS and anything that is known is subject to change by the time of release. As the heading of the article states, there will be much content of a speculative nature but let's try to keep it to a minimum and at least stick to what we "know" or have been told officially. If someone were to put in something speculative, then it should at least be widely accepted and preceded with wording that gives that idea such as "It (is widely thought/has been widely assumed) that...". In that case, I'd rather not delete or reword that part until more is known and that will be covered by what's said in the heading for now, but I surely won't stop anyone else that does so. --Kamasutra 16:04, August 18, 2005 (UTC)

"not the next major version of Windows"?
I've editted the following rather ambiguous line out of the article:
 * Blackcomb is, simply put, the next major operating system to be released by Microsoft. Note: not the next major version of Windows.

Anybody any idea what this was intended to mean? Is it that it won't really be Windows any more (I somehow doubt it will be that revolutionary, but I could be wrong)? Or that there are other versions in between (i.e. Windows Longhorn Server; but in that case the two sentences are hard to reconcile)? If anyone wants to clarify, feel free to put it back with better wording - but I think what this article needs most right now are external references, so a quote backing it up would be really great. - IMSoP 18:21, 18 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Right now, we shouldn't really be editing the article for specifics until more information is released about Vienna. Not many people know a thing about it, and we can't go spreading rumors. However, regarding the statement about Vienna being a whole new operating system, I doubt that. It will most likely keep the Windows name, unless Microsoft sees it fit to change everything and go in a new direction (which wouldn't surprise me). Either way, we should leave most of the stuff alone, until definitive information is released. --CanesOL79 22:29, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Blackcomb v. Vienna
On the subject of a potential name change from "Blackcomb" to "Vienna", we'll need more confirmation of this code-name change than a single posting on a single forum from a Microsoft employee who "hasn't gotten the story on this yet". He may be wrong. Let's wait until more reliable information becomes available before we go renaming things. Warrens 22:30, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Scoble is fairly reliable. Since I moved this page before seeing this on the talk page, let's wait until we move it back. — Alex 22:37, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Vienna was the code name for Live Communications Server 2005.  This could quite easily be a mistake on Scoble's part, and he's certainly made his share of them in his time.  Arguably, the editor of MSDN Magazine is a more reliable resource for code names than a technical evangelist at Microsoft.  In fact, on January 9 2006, the editor of MSDN Magazine addressed this exact issue, and reaffirmed Blackcomb as being the code name for the version of Windows following Vista.   Those are my sources.  I'm moving this article back to Windows Blackcomb.  If a more verifiable source for this name-change than a single posting on a single forum becomes available, then we can justify renaming the article.  In the meantime, Blackcomb it is. Warrens 22:48, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * True... I'm not sure whether to believe Scoble. But then why would Microsoft be changing a codename? I guess I'll wait. — Alex 23:50, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * threedaysdwn of Neowin works at Microsoft and he had this to say about these news being "3 months old": "Umm no it's not. Only happened like a month ago (wondering when it would "get out")". So it sounds like there's some truth behind this, but maybe more sources would still be needed rather than scattered forum/blog writers. Scoble says "he hasn't got the story on this yet", so maybe wait until he and others have. If a page move from this to Windows Vienna is done in the future though, keep in mind there's a non-standard format Windows "Vienna" redirection article as well now... I just changed Windows Vienna to not have a double (and invalid) redirect, so now it points directly to Windows Blackcomb. -- Jugalator 07:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turned out to be the code-name for an NT 6.1 product, be it a "Second Edition" of Vista, or Longhorn Server. Or maybe Blackcomb will become 8.0 (maintaining its perpetual "pie in the sky" status :-) ) --- On the "quotes" issue, we'll have to see how Microsoft's usage of a code-name evolves.  Windows Server "Longhorn" is correctly named, IMO, because that's how Microsoft references the product in their documentation.  Warrens 08:25, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, could be, although they don't appear to use a too unified name when looking at details: vs . ;-) -- Jugalator 09:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * sigh* :-)  Warrens 18:55, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * "Microsoft officials have confirmed"... "the rumors are true: 'Blackcomb' is now 'Vienna'" says microsoft-watch.com -c3o 16:03, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * microsoft-watch.com didn't provide an attributable source (even a name) for their confirmation. Warrens 17:37, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

I orginally missed this section (since it was at the top rather than the bottom - chronological order is the convention round here), but in looking around for a decent source for the information, I found that CNet news.com.com.com.com.com claims to have had the one-line official statement too, and as a reasonably major news outlet, I'm willing to believe they've checked their sources, so I guess we can take their word for it. They still don't give much attribution, mind, but "Microsoft said in a statement to CNET News.com" is a pretty explicit claim. - IMSoP 20:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Quotation marks
Why is "Vienna" in quotation marks?? Georgia guy 01:16, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it's a codename. Windows "Longhorn" and Server "Longhorn" are referred to by Microsoft in the same way. — Alex 04:11, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Strange that Windows "Longhorn" doesn't even have an article, and same for Windows "Blackcomb", and Windows "Whistler", and Windows "Cairo", and... :-) Also, MS far from always use quotes for Longhorn on their own web sites. I also have to wonder if this is the best practice for Wikipedia as it has never been used before; not even with Longhorn, besides for the Server edition of their OS. Well, just a thought, it's no big deal for me, as long as redirects exist. :-) -- Jugalator 15:48, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, this is so far out there that pretty much anything could change between now and the release date. I think that the use of quotes to designate codenames is OK, then move the article when we get the real name. I mean, assuming that consumer Vista launches in H1 2007 (which is pretty likely), given the issues with Vista, I would be surprised to see an update this decade (2008-2009). I mean, they claim they're going to add in at least two major features after the release, and they probably need to do that before releasing "Vienna". --ZachPruckowski 23:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I thought Blackcomb was the codename and Vienna is the confirmed new name, just like Longhorn was the code name and Vista is the confirmed name. Georgia guy 14:43, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Vienna is a (new) code name for Microsoft's OS after Vista. -- Jugalator 15:48, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Take a look at how Microsoft refers to "Longhorn" server:. — Alex (T 04:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Joke
I wonder when Linux SYF will be released (see Vienna (song)). :-) The Neokid 18:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh? And what does this have to do with "Vienna" (except for the name)? — Alex (T 04:08, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Shaddap You Face was released by Joe Dolce at the same time and stopped Vienna from getting to No. 1. SYF is an abbreviation of Shaddap You Face. The Neokid - Wikihalo Guiding Director talk 16:55, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ahh, I get it now. Thanks for clearing that up. :-) — Alex (T 21:59, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Release date
The release date for Vienna will be 2011.

The client Windows releases are separated by 5 years.

XP (2001) - Vista (2006) - Vienna (2011)

The server Windows releases are separated by 4 years (2 years - R2, 1 year - SP1)

Server 2003 - 2003

Server 2003 SP1 - early 2005 (we can consider it 2004)

Server 2003 R2 - late 2005 (2005)

Server 2003 R2 SP1 - late 2006 (2006)

Server Longhorn/2007 - 2007

Server Longhorn/2007 SP1 - 2008

Server Longhorn/2007 R2 - 2009

Server Longhorn/2007 R2 SP1 - 2010

Vienna Server - 2011

And you have this quote from Bob Muglia, at Paul Thurott's SuperSite for Windows :

"Paul Thurott: Blackcomb being the next major release.

Bob Muglia: Right, the next major release, four years after Longhorn Server."

So the release date for Vienna is 2011. --Xammer 08:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is expected in the 2010-2011 timeframe, but its not confirmed. --Soumyasch 12:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Vienna is also a client release, not just a server. And Microsoft claimed that the next release of Windows won't be delayed as much as previous versions. — Alex (T 22:16, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

A minor rev?
Paul Thurrot has said Vienna is a minor rev of Vista R2? I could not find anything remotely like this when I almost comb searched winsupersite (and his blogs). Am I missing something? -- so U  m  y  a  S  ch  15:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The recently added text appears to be talking about Windows "Fiji", not "Vienna". I also suspect that the term "Windows Vista R2" is a journalist invention.  Warrens 15:30, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Removed that, as such. -- so U  m  y  a  S  ch  15:36, 29 April 2006 (UTC)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the . Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

don't move. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) Seen this already? 10:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Requested move

 * Windows "Vienna" &rarr; Windows Vienna … Rationale: It is not a code name. Windows Blackcomb had not quotation marks, and Windows Vienna seems to be the final name (like Windows Vista). --Off! 12:18, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Survey

 * Add *Support or *Oppose followed by an optional one-sentence explanation, then sign your opinion with  ~


 * Strong Oppose. Microsoft generally puts codenames in quotes (Windows Server "Longhorn" and Visual Studio "Orcas"). Also there is no confirmation Vienna is the final name. -- so U  m  y  a  S  ch  12:26, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oppose This appears to be an internal code name akin to Longhorn, etc. --Davidstrauss 09:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Add any additional comments
 * Where is it verifiably stated that Vienna is the final name? Can you link to a press release or "on-the-record" statement to this effect? Warrens 12:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

CIW
Perhaps we should add some mention of Microsoft's CIW project in this article, since it's possible that Blackcomb/Vienna will end up with these technologies. Rhys42 14:02, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, we do not add information based on one's own expectations, unless its verifiable. -- soum সৌমো yasch  15:28, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Where is the data about LayoutBar and GroupBar verifiable? CIW is a real, in-development project at MS. Rhys42 13:11, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Groupbar is available for download. And I never said CIW is made up. Just that there is nothing saying that its products will be included in Vienna. And due to the reasons you pointed out, the article has "This article or section does not cite its references or sources" slapped at its top. We are trying to give references, not further dilute it. Please help if you can. -- soum সৌমো yasch  14:17, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

Funny coincidence
I found this to be a funny coincidence with the code name: Vienna starts desktop Linux migration. -- Northgrove 19:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC) undefined

Fiji?
What happened to the Windows "Fiji" article? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.193.142.122 (talk) 22:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC).


 * A long ago, the Windows "Fiji" article is removed, but is now created again. Take a look of the article. --Jigs41793 14:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

OS Name
Is "Vienna" will name as Windows Vista R2? --Jigs41793 14:43, 15 December 2006 (UTC)


 * No, it will be a major revision. — Alex (T 01:19, 16 December 2006 (UTC)


 * But I retrive from Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows:

"As for Windows Vista R2 (codenamed "Vienna"), I think it's safe to say that the calm and calculating hand of Steven Sinofsky will ensure that this and other future Windows versions will arrive on schedule and be evolutionary, rather than revolutionary, upgrades. Sinofsky's record with Microsoft Office is as clear as it is successful, and there's little doubt he'll have a positive effect on the Windows Division."

&mdash;  Jigs41793    Talk   09:03, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Windows Seven?
According to Paul Thurrott this next version is now being dubbed as Windows Seven (Windows 7) internally at Microsoft. Has anyone else found anything to back this up? Should it be included in the article? - Nsmith 84 20:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * There's no indication that what Thurrott is referring to is actually Vienna. Let's wait until we have better information... there's no hurry. -/- Warren 21:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * He could be wrong... But then he could be right and Microsoft was thinking ahead when they registered those sites. Look at http://bink.nu/Article4566.bink. — Alex (T 22:32, 18 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh I see that link — Bink.nu said will chose Vista over their alternative names:
 * Windows Ruby
 * Windows '07 (short for Windows 2007) or Windows Seven
 * These names are named by the WHois server. &mdash;  Jigs41793  Talk 22:02, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

- actually, i was at a vista launch event, and a guy working on longhorn said the code name had changed to win 7. gril from win team backed this up. Gamersedge 21:43, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Windows 7 is a release other than Vienna, a SP2 of Vista. The mentioning of Windows 7 in this article will only create confusion. - Arthur —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.107.29.141 (talk) 22:15, 24 February 2007 (UTC).


 * Says who? -/- Warren 23:32, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

"Windows 7" has been coined/used informally to describe Vienna by Mary Jo Foley Microsoft tries to stuff the Windows 7 genie back in the bottle --Peter Campbell 22:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)


 * And Mary Jo Foley is in a position to declare what the name of an operating system is, through what authority? She's a professional blogger.  WP:A puts her firmly in the "questionable sources" category, and as such, she isn't usable as a source of material for Wikipedia. -/- Warren 01:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. It is for this reason I have not added any citations from her. I thought it was helpful that people be aware of sources of buzzwords & jargon Peter Campbell 01:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Why not add a picture?
We have seen a test run of a considered GUI, why not add a picture for fun. BYE love you x x x Jimmy93211 18:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Some references badly needed
I think we really need references to the claims about a revised HAL and file system approach, that the task bar "will" (yes, as definite as that too) be replaced by a concept from the VIBE research lab, and the GroupBar and LayoutBar implementations along with anything about what these features exactly are, to give the reader some context. I personally think stuff like this needs to be quite ruthlessly edited out from the article if no sources are added for this "soon". Worded equally definite (as "will also feature") is the sandbox approach which I'm not even sure MS has claimed will be definitely there. I only know there was some thoughts about this during the Longhorn development. These are all bold claims that the article stands upon, with currently no foundation I can find in the article.


 * agreed, there's way too much speculation here, and if it's not speculation it should be citable (is that a real word?) --Streaky 17:33, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

For the record, I have it on an official source now that Windows Vienna is probably not a final name (see also the new article ref). -- Northgrove 20:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as I remember, Vienna was always a code name. -- soum সৌমো yasch  18:55, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Minor Release?
In the current article, it is stated that: While Windows Vista is intended to be an evolutionary release, Vienna is targeted directly at revolutionizing the way users of the product interact with their PCs However, Windows Vienna is a minor release according to Paul Thurrott's Windows "Vienna" (or "Seven") FAQ. Taking the the release date in consideration, it must be a minor release. Not to forget the major upgrade Windows Vista is supposed to receive, with SP1 ("Fiji"), which will include the new version of the Windows kernel (version 6.1). Therefore, it is highly doubtful that the release of Vienna is going to be major. However, it is correct that "Blackcomb" once was considered to be a major revision - however "Longhorn" was planned to be a minor step between Windows XP and "Blackcomb" - this of course changed. Should the focus section be accordingly? Are there any objections? -- Mr Mo 19:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Since no one has made an edit, I have tried myself. Feel free to edit it, so it meets Wikipedias standards. Mr Mo 22:30, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Windows 7 (vienna) will be a major verion of windows. Don't get all your news from Paul Thurrott, he's trying to get a response from Microsoft by making comments like that. But Microsoft isn't playing into his game.Chetblong 01:03, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Neutrality
I think this article needs marked for neutrality, which I forget how to do at the moment.

When I see that the OS includes this new "sandboxed" mode which restricts the user to only Microsoft-land, and does not allow 3rd party stuff to work without some shennanigans, I expect to see where some critism of that has developed. No I am not a Linux guy, I type this from Windows XP.

And for some reason, does it not seem like all Microsoft articles on Wiki have been re-written by Microsoft staff (or at least, major microsoft pumpers) recently? I cannot even find an article about the Australian dude who broke the news on how HDCP and AAS are both cracked AND on Vista, causing havok for users. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.152.170.185 (talk) 06:19, 7 March 2007 (UTC).


 * This operating system is in early stage of its development, so therefore no criticism developed yet. — Alex (T 06:42, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Backwards Compatibility
I'm confused, why is the backwards compatibility section about Windows Vista? This is a Vienna article. Am I missing something?Philipdistefano 20:18, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

New interface
The article currently says that a new interface was planned for "Vienna, then moved to Vista, then back to "Vienna". Yet I have never read anything about the new interface being planned for Vista, except for this article and other websites qouting it. Can anyone prove to me that it was ever supposed to be in Vista? Josh the Nerd 12:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)Josh the Nerd

Shouldn't It be Windows 7?
Shouldn't this page be called Windows 7 instaed of Vienna? Ben Fathi of Microsoft Corp. said the codename has changed from Windows Vienna to a codename he could not release at this time. So why don't we change it to Windows 7?

Why Windows 7? Because Windows Vista was Windows NT 6.0 and so it (Windows Vienna) will be Windows NT 7.0 -Chetblong 00:59, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * We aren't in a position to make that deduction... that's called original research, and it's against Wikipedia policy. "Vienna" is a verifiably correct name; Microsoft has used it numerous times in presentations and interviews.  When Microsoft announces a name change, we can change the article name then. -/- Warren 01:01, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * But there has been a name change, we just don't know what the new name is. - Chetblong 04:09, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * We do not know for sure if there has been a name change, or is Windows 7 something else, o whatever. One thing we know for sure is that there has not been any official announcement. Without it, acting on rumors should be avoided. The change can be effected any time an official announcement (of either codename change, or selection of final name) is made. --  soum  (0_o) 04:16, 20 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Windows Vienna's name change to an unknown name is not a rumor. Vista Follow Up Likley in 2009- Chetblong 00:43, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

What About Windows NT 7.0?
Would that be correct? Chetblong 21:15, 26 April 2007 (UTC)


 * No. -/- Warren 02:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, well we will just have to wait. -- Chetblong 15:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

What do you think:will vienna have d3d 11
And,what do you think? And which features will it have(if you find something)? Mario 17.05. 2007

Release Date
Currently I have windows vista, and would like to get a computer around 2009 (i got my tosh comp april). Will it be released by then? If not maybe will there be service upgrade packs for vista? Thanks, 71.136.233.5 03:09, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe Vienna will be released, but it is only speculation. There will be a service pack for Vista by that time, though. — Alex(U 03:10, 11 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Which computer brand would you suggest, Toshiba, LG, Dell, Sony, Hewlett Packard, Gateway, InternationalBuisnessMachines(IBM), Panasonic, Lenovo, NEC, or Apple (with Vista/Soon Vienna bundle)? The_EntertainerContra 23:39, 12 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't see what this has got to do with our article, Wikipedia is not a forum. Andrewjd 10:46, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Windows 7
Shouldn't the article name be "Windows 7" or "Windows Seven"? Althepal 20:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This was discussed above. One point I'd like to raise though is if when reffering to the name is it Windows 7 or Windows Seven? I assumed it would be 7 but the article states it as seven. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrewjd (talk • contribs)
 * The article needs to stay as "Windows Vienna" until we have more information. 7 may be an internal name, but Vienna is the name that, for the time being, Microsoft is using officially. LN3000 05:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)


 * It is windows 7 not windows vienna. see http://www.engadget.com/2007/07/20/vistas-successor-now-known-as-7-due-out-within-three-years?=7 - Symode09

There is no definite proof Vienna will ship in exlusively 64 bit!
Alex Heaton, Microsoft's Senior Product Manager, clarified a statement made by Bill Laing.

"Bill Laing, a General Manager in the Microsoft Windows Server Division, has been quoted as saying that Windows Server 2008 will be the last 32-bit operating system. Bill is a server guy and indeed Windows Server 2008 is the last 32-bit server operating system – all future operating systems for server hardware from Microsoft beyond Windows Server 2008 will be 64-bit," Heaton said.

"A few folks took Bill’s comments on Windows Server and applied them to Windows Client deriving that Windows Vista would be the last 32-bit operating system. That is an incorrect extension. While Windows Vista includes both 32-bit and 64-bit and there is a growing community of drivers for 64-bit Windows Vista, we have not decided when Windows Client will follow Windows Server and become 64-bit only."

--This appears to indicate that Windows Vienna MAY or MAY NOT ship in 32 bit. No one can confidently say what Windows has decided to do, and Paul Thurrott has no more information on this than any of us do...

However, it does seem that in the interest of Windows users, Windows Vienna will continue to support 32 bit systems. Most people, at least at this point, have 32 bit systems and would not be able to upgrade. Obviously, we all will have to make that jump to 64 bit but with Vienna's scheduled release date just two years away, it doesn't seem like that transition will happen for Vienna.

Anyone agree?


 * Vienna or 7 or whatever it will end up being called will most likely be released in both 32 and 64 bit versions. They will not drop 32 bit until 64 bit compatibility is 100% stable. LN3000 05:22, 21 July 2007 (UTC)