Talk:Windows Essentials

Windows Live Butterfly?
What does Windows Live Butterfly has to do with Windows Live Essentials? Why is it merged into this topic? Pikablu0530 01:53, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:07, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Version 4
Recently windows announced modifications and specifications for an upcoming update. Could somone do the research and modify the article accordingly? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.123.25.28 (talk) 19:09, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Version 4 on XP
Is there any workaround that makes it possible to use Version 4 on Windows XP..at least the sync feature??--217.89.2.193 (talk) 22:33, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

-- The 2011 Suite ( all apps ) needs working Aero, hardware rendering graphics subsystem, at least Direct2D and DirectWrite which are exclusive features of DirectX11. Also these apps make use of Windows7 Animation Manager and the Ribbon Control interface. Microsoft has backported these core Windows7 features to Vista with/SP2, because Vista SP1 has only DirectX10.1. The Win7 Apis have been backported with the "Platform Update for Vista" which comes automatically via Windows Update ( but only after SP2 has been installed ).

DirectX9 is where Windows XP ends and thus it is not possible. Even if you were able to put the dlls in a XP installation, the OS could never use them, because of the total rewrite of the graphics part in Vista compared to XP. I also doubt that the Animation and Ribbon controls are available for XP.

More and More rather than apps from Microsoft need a working DX11 installation ( therefore Vista,2008,Win7 or Server R2 ) - the next big one is Internet Explorer 9 that will use HW rendering.

94.220.77.231 (talk) 02:53, 3 March 2011 (UTC) Alex.Cohen, germany

Offline Packages
Can someone please add information on offline packages for this suite of software? 64.128.27.82 (talk) 16:23, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed
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 * Neither copyvio nor revdel. Don't know what Lisa blabbers about. --88.130.116.224 (talk) 18:14, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
 * I just reverted a vandalism by 88.130.116.224 to this page. This is new: A vandal trying to misdirect attention from his vandalism by saying "Don't know what X blabbers about". 91.98.238.178 (talk) 22:09, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Messenger "not available"
With respect to this diff, please quote the full sentence from the source (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/essentials-2012-release-notes) that includes the quote "not available" with regard to Messenger. I can't find it. Nurg (talk) 09:56, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello, Nurg. In the link you have given, the exact quote is:"Messenger is no longer available" If you have trouble finding it, please press CTRL+F on your desktop browser and copy and paste this sentence into the search field. Thanks.
 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 10:40, 3 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Codename Lisa, if the source says "no longer available", why did you change it to "not available" in the edit I linked to? Quotes must be verbatim, not paraphrases. Nurg (talk) 08:47, 4 December 2014 (UTC)
 * Hi. Actually, the standard in Wikipedia is that the quote must not be verbatim because a verbatim quote that is long enough runs plagiarism risks. (c.f. Copy-paste) But in this case, both "not available" and "no longer available" are equally unable to pass the threshold of originality. The problem with "no longer" here concerns WP:DATED, in which case it does not say "since when". But all these are minor issues; I am okay with both versions and I won't bother reverting one for the other.


 * Now, you might be asking: So why did I reverted to revision #636438863? Well, it suffered from two problems: First, wordiness; too many words were used to say that it doesn't work. Second, weasel word; "most operating system" implies that it is available one some operating system but does not mention which. Hence, it is a weasel word. Also, instead of troubling ourselves to say "this list is incomplete" in vague terms, we can just complete the list as I did:.


 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 14:49, 4 December 2014 (UTC)


 * You may have overlooked the fact that I am talking about an actual quotation – that is, it appears in the article enclosed in quotation marks. Such quotations must be verbatim, with any corrections or abridgements clearly marked; see Quotations.
 * It is good that you have said you reverted the edit because of wordiness and weasel words. Your edit summary mentioned neither of those things, instead saying "Nurg is wrong on all accounts." I will now make a shorter change that omits the part of Microsoft's words that you consider weasel words. Nurg (talk) 08:29, 5 December 2014 (UTC)
 * That's because you didn't bring up the verbatim copy issue until right now; your edit summary said the rationale for your edits were "correct misquotation", "not what the source says" and "the source has a longer list". And edit summary doesn't have infinite space; it is restricted to 255 characters. Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 01:04, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Windows 10 support: Yes or no?
Hi.

I have recently seen attempts of putting claims of "Windows 10" in operating system field of the infobox. Naturally I reverted most, because of direct violation of Verifiability policy. Microsoft's own system requirement page does not at this time say Windows 10.
 * http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/essentials-2012-release-notes

But then, we have the latest revision by. (Hi, Billy. I hope you are seeing this.) The sources provided in this case are:
 * http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windowslive/forum/gallery-program/photo-fuse-windows-10/147b05d9-1bee-4607-b20c-d3de01d93991?auth=1
 * http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windowslive/forum/livemail-program/stability-issues-with-the-windows-live-mail-2012/03dcc533-6e6b-429a-93aa-3aacddd208c9?page=2&status=AllReplies#4
 * http://www.intowindows.com/download-windows-live-mail-for-windows-10/

The first two sources are clearly WP:SPS of the worst kind. The last one is better but it is only evidence for mere execution (not support) and does not testify in favor of thoroughly faultless execution. There is also a record of prior communication with Billy in his user talk page: This issue is mentioned. For the sake of fairness, I do not quote him.

So, I am here to ask the editor community: Should we mention of Windows 10 support or not? (Disclaimer: I am not here for a vote but for a consensus.)

Best regards, Codename Lisa (talk) 00:13, 15 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I feel like it would be misleading to readers if you just mention that it only works up to 8.1, when there are (well, is) sources saying otherwise. At least a mention somewhere that it works but isn't support?
 * Billybobjoe321 (talk) 08:01, 18 January 2016 (UTC)


 * I see where you're coming from, but then we could also mention that it works on e.g. Linux with Wine or on ReactOS (not sure if it works on the latter, but you get my point: there would be no good criteria for which operating system to list and which not). Lonaowna (talk) 12:12, 18 January 2016 (UTC)