Talk:Windows Live Mail

Name
The name of this product is not Windows Live Mail Center. The Windows Live Mail Desktop Team has denied any name change in the first place. And even if they did change the name, it has been changed back. (See Windows Live) "The official name for the product is Windows Live Mail Desktop. I've heard rumors in the blogsphere say that we've changed the product name, but we haven't."-Lewis Lin (From a Members-only forum on The Hive)

--&#91;rrrperson] 21:56, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I quite like my addition

 * Plenty of huge javascript ads that can't be removed by Internet Explorer users but can be removed by users of Firefox and Adblock Plus

I bet it will be the truth; you just watch~!
 * This isn't really the place for jokes. It's seen as vandalism. Maybe you could write something factual about Live Mail's shortcomings, but it would need to be rock solid. Good luck, Noit 03:30, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Those ads can be removed by a dedicated (not browser-based) ad-blocker, such as the excellent (IMHO) one built into Symantec Client Firewall (which I use). --&#91;rrrperson] 21:57, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Uppercase D
The "D" in "Desktop" is uppercase. At http://ideas.live.com/programpage.aspx?versionid=6ac2bed2-b5a4-4a0a-a897-e36dd191a9f4 (Official Windows Live Ideas Live Desktop page) and the official developer's blog at http://morethanmail.spaces.live.com/, the "Desktop" is still capitalised. In the actual application, it's lowercase because it's styled like that. It's like Flickr's logo (the "f" is lowercase in the logo, but it's capitalised everywhere else). bCube(talk,contribs); 19:41, 17 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you are right, bCube, and for that I apologize. I should've left it alone after Jeremy.Visser fixed it back to how it should be. Sorry.. --Illyria05-- 04:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * What is with the big deal with uppercase/lowercase? Please stop changing the article regarding uppercase "D" or lowercase "d", as mentioned above, the official name was with an uppercase, and lowercase is only used as a styling purpose. Besides, why worry now when the name has been even changed? Pikablu0530 23:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Announcement of new name
Microsoft officially announced in its press release that Windows Live Mail desktop will be named "Windows Live Mail": ''More to come. In the coming weeks, Microsoft will introduce an additional e-mail client option for Windows Live Hotmail with the release of Windows Live Mail beta, a free consumer e-mail client available via download that will be a successor to Outlook Express and Windows Mail on Windows Vista™.''

Re: Misleading URL
The URL given in the infobox does not lead you to the beta released launched on May 30(accounting that the rest of the information in the infobox is correct) which should be Version 12. Instead it leads you to the release of Version 8. Any comments? Proof of V12? Or Current URL for Download?

Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by LordDarren (talk • contribs) 21:19, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The beta was only meant to be released for people in certain countries. These countries are the US, UK, India, France, Japan, Germany, China and Spain. It is mentioned on the Messenger blog. If you aren't in one of those countries then you are redirected to get.live.com. Swanny92 12:06, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Beta link (applies to Mail, Messenger and Writer)
The beta link for those programs can only be accessed by users from the countries listed here. If your computer isn't set to one of those countries, then you get redirected to get.live.com. The user you changed the link had a point, that link enables ALL USERS (including me who's in Australia) to access the beta page. I changed the link back, and edited it on the Messenger page and the Writer page. If any objections, please discuss here. Swanny92 12:35, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Differences section
This article currently has a section labeled "Differeneces from Windows Mail / Outlook Express". However, this article should only compare Windows Live Mail to Windows Mail, it's immediate predecessor. Could someone more familiar with the three applications fix this? - Josh (talk | contribs) 18:00, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

http weasel wording
This entry says: "Support for Web-based e-mail accounts including Windows Live Hotmail, Gmail/Google Mail, and Yahoo! Mail Plus." And the the WLM page itself says "You can send and receive e-mail messages from any computer with an Internet connection and a web browser. HTTP accounts include MSN Hotmail, Windows Live Hotmail, and Windows Live Admin Center accounts." 

That's about the least informative 'information' possible. "INCLUDING" - wowee

So it's not just 'any' or 'all' http web-based email ? What, and who, determines which http (or https) web-based email can WLM work with? Is it determined by MS ? Or by the web-based mail site?

The current info (?) require fooling around and failing and getting no error message, just keeps asking for pw; and seems to screw up the retrieval url, but not clearly so.

Additionally: Even an encyclopedia could provide a reference url for some real help - a forum i guess where WLMail q's can be asked - ? Potentiate23 (talk) 08:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC) [i typed Potentiate23 (talk) 08:08, 23 June 2009 (UTC) but not seeing sig in preview - for a newbie this is confusing - is sig there or not, lousy UI]


 * I do not see a problem using the word "include" in the article - in this context "include" is equivalent to the term "such as". If you wish, feel free to change the word "including" to "such as" in the article. Windows Live Mail supports DeltaSync, WebDAV, POP3 and IMAP protocols - if the web-based email provider supports any of these protocols, accounts from these providers can be added to Windows Live Mail. Additionally, Wikipedia is not a place for product support. If you require support with the application, please click the "Help" button (the blue button with a question mark) or press F1 to access the official help page. The Help menu also provide links to the official team blog and discussion forum. There is no need to add these links to Wikipedia. --Pikablu0530 (talk) 11:50, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Version 2011
There are no info about it here, but I was wondering if it's available for Windows XP. --MK (talk) 11:10, 2 October 2010 (UTC)
 * Should be added! It is not. --88.130.112.121 (talk) 19:07, 4 October 2010 (UTC) it is only for windows 7. i tried to get it today but it is only included in live essentials.(which require windows 7 to install.)
 * When I clicked on its link recently, some small type directed me to the XP version. 92.15.21.174 (talk) 14:28, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I've seen that the PGP/MIME bug is still present in Windows Live Mail version 2011, can anyone confirm?--IlarioGelmetti (talk) 12:43, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Backup
The freeware "KLS Mail Backup" can be used with this. 92.15.21.174 (talk) 14:27, 22 May 2011 (UTC) My drafts, sent etc. disappeared and 170 emails popped up in the inbox including one sent from 2012.....phoned shaw and they said they had no idea what happened and it wasn't their problem....Whose problem is it and what do I do? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.102.196 (talk) 13:09, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Privacy
The article might benefit from some factual coverage of how Windows Live Mail performs regarding Email privacy. Other articles on other webmail applications do.Mydogtrouble (talk) 00:32, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
 * "Other articles on other webmail applications do."


 * This article is not about a webmail application. It is about a desktop mail client. No other article about a desktop mail client have anything about email privacy because this is not an issue with desktop mail clients. Please get your facts right first. 188.245.74.142 (talk) 06:39, 5 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. We need a citation that the app is 100% desktop; differentiating it from 3rd party webmail; it would be great to include that. Mydogtrouble (talk) 15:43, 5 July 2014 (UTC)


 * "We need a citation that the app is 100% desktop"
 * That sentence is 100% gibberish; and per WP:BURDEN as long as we don't put it in the article, we don't need a citation for it either. You are obviously confusing this app with Windows Live Hotmail. 46.41.223.207 (talk) 06:24, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you are correct. Also I was unsure if it was a descendant of "Outlook.com." Please excuse my curiosity. I should point out that the expression "email client" is in itself not immune from misinterpretation, (one can find Gmail described that way in many places, for example) and that the facts are that the program is offered along with other web applications (Windows Essentials) which are interactive through Microsoft, "100% desktop" is not gibberish per se, although my wording might have been clumsy. With the proliferation of third party webmail, the existence of Outlook.com, Outlook, Hotmail, Windows Live Hotmail, Messenger, Outlook Express, Windows Mail (from Vista,)(all separate developments), the manner Microsoft offers it for download, the lack of material on the web explaining the privacy differences; if an application is stand-alone, it is worth knowing.

However, there is this: " But it doesn't actually send original pictures. Instead, it stores them on Windows Live Skydrive, Microsoft's free, cloud-based storage service" from http://www.pcworld.com/article/232042/windows_live_mail.html so perhaps there is some complication I am too stupid to get. Mydogtrouble (talk) 14:31, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Hello. Before I start, I think you are not stupid. This revised message shows that. Perhaps you are a bit too cocksure and a bit unperceptive of the clues, which projects a bad image, causing us to misinterpret your original message as an attempt in trolling. For my part, I apologize for the misunderstanding. Now, as for the points you raised:


 * 1) This program is an email client, a successor of Outlook Express, a brother of Microsoft Outlook and a competitor of Mozilla Thunderbird and Opera Mail. It can connect to any standard-compliant email service, including but not limited to Outlook.com, Gmail, Yahoo! Mail. It can work with all of them but does not need them.
 * 2) It is a desktop app; you can install it on a computer without an Internet connection. So, yes, it is 100% desktop app and there is no such thing as a 65% desktop app either. But without subscribing to an email service (webmail or otherwise), it is useless. You can even use it in a network that is not connected to the Internet but has an internal email service.
 * 3) "Email client" is not an ambiguous term. But you seem to have been confused by the fact that webmails provide both an email service plus a web-based email client.
 * 4) PC World article is faulty; it is written like those credit card advertisements that make you think you can just extend your hand and grab a credit card. (None of them mention that you must fill in 16 pages of forms and have a damn good credibility.) The PC World sentence tell you that your image goes on OneDrive but fails to inform you that you must subscribe with the service first, accept their privacy policy and enter your username and password into Windows Live Mail, leaving you to think the program steals your pictures without you knowing.


 * Hope this has cleared up a couple of things.
 * Best regards,
 * Codename Lisa (talk) 16:07, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Part of the problem is "the talk page is not a place for general discussion, etc.," and so my attempts at brevity, in respect for that, might have been misconstrued. I'm sure you are aware that "cloud based" (I dislike the term for its imprecision) applications raise security concerns for some people, and others don't care much. Forgive my ignorance, too, regarding the history of all the detailed complexity of email protocols. Thus my question and recommendation that the article explain how Windows Live Mail is either different from (for example Gmail, which I understand routes the email and scans for keywords for research and/or advertising,) webmail, or whether it is always different, or if when the user configures it properly it will essentially function as Outlook Express did (or does.) I have assumed that by opting out of all of it except the setup of pop mail, this should be the case. Note too the likely reason I came to read the article in the first place: I found it difficult to find such explicitly answered on the internet, and I consider myself a pretty clever Google user. Thus my suggestion. Note too that other Wikipedia articles I found couldn't answer these either. Also, I did see a few users mention that they could not email pictures at all without signing in to OneDrive, so I am assuming your view is that they set up their mail incorrectly and thus that anecdotal tale is not relevant. In any case, all this explains the suggestion for a brief explanatory section for the article. Mydogtrouble (talk) 18:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC)