Talk:Windows Vista/Archive 7

Windows Vista Couch Tour
Here is an information about from the Windows Vista Team Blog shows there having a Windows Vista Couch Tour. Here's a picture of Windows Vista bus. Can we put this information to the article?  Jigs41793   Talk  07:10, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol, I think you mean coach, not couch. I had visions of the Vista team driving round on armchairs - Jack (talk) 08:07, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

How come some topics in the talk section get deleted?

i had a part of the packaging and another on marketing that have dissapeared...

Is that just someone thinking it's irrelevant?

Information for authors
Information that you might find useful: Any program that is not able to run nativly on vista can be ran in compatibility mode (right-click on probram, properties, then compatiblity.) Then you can run them with compatibility from 98-xp sp2.

Just in case anyone wants to put a Response to critics or workarounds section. If that would be un-wikipedian, you can delete this suggestion.

01:57, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Deleting comments in discussion pages goes against some rule somewhere, most editors will archive them. - Thekittenofterra 04:01, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Release Date goes earlier again?
The Windows Vista consumer release countdown at the Official Windows Vista website's The Community page, it said 4 days to go to release Windows Vista. So will be release Windows Vista on January 28, 2007 (earlier 2 days from January 30) for consumers customers. Can we change the release date into the article?  Jigs41793   Talk  12:28, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've viewed the site you've mentioned and to me it clearly correlated to 00:00 January 30, 2007. You may be interpreting it wrong because it works relative to the time zone your computer is in. This fits because I know Harvey Norman in Australia is opening selected stores around midnight in AEST. Harryboyles 12:34, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Future Product Template
Since Windows Vista is going to be released in the future the future project template belongs on this page. For all we know Windows may delay the date, change specs, or do anything else! They could cancel all of the pre-orders and cancel the public retail all together. I know, highly unlikely, but it is wiki policy to warn readers of future products. Similar to the Apple TV which has the future product template. Yaanch 22:21, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's coming out in less than a week. I even have an official, hologram disc of the RTM version. The product is finalized. --Guess Who 02:25, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Memory usage and other limitations in Windows Vista Starter
When visiting the Microsoft website, and looking at Vista Starter, it says it will be mainly used for OEM. It is difficult to believe that new computers will be delivered with max 256MB memory.

When visiting the citation: ([[35]http://windowshelp.microsoft.com/Windows/en-US/Help/b4874f19-5be0-4cba-924a-9210e587b2f01033.mspx] It says nothing about 256MB, nor any other limitations in Vista.

I propose to change this paragraph to something that is more plausible and can be proved. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 129.241.186.203 (talk) 14:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC).
 * Starter Edition is for emerging markets (aka, not the US/Europe/Canada/Australia/etc.), so it's not so unrealistic. Paul Thurrott's article on the various editions of Vista has the 256MB figure.. --Guess Who 22:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

General Release Date
According to Windows Vista Community Page, the countdown said 2 days left to release Windows Vista. So it's true will be released Vista for consumers on January 29.  Jigs41793   Talk  23:49, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're forgetting the 10 or so hours that round it up to midnight on January 30. Harryboyles 02:56, 27 January 2007 (UTC)


 * You're also forgetting that we have a variety of reliable sources that say January 30. -/- Warren 15:59, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

From the microsoft home page: "Coming Monday: Bill Gates launches Windows Vista, 2007 Microsoft Office Join the celebration: watch the webcast 4:45 p.m. EST on Monday, January 29" 82.153.167.216 14:23, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Paul Thurrott Podcast hosted by James Woodcock
Might be worth adding: http://www.jameswoodcock.co.uk/?p=912

James Woodcock interviews Paul Thurrott regarding Microsoft’s latest operating system, Windows Vista. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Glidem (talk • contribs) 17:29, 27 January 2007 (UTC).

Windows Vista's official title
Just thought i'd point out that Windows Vista should not be called simply "Vista", as it is in numerous places within this article. That'd be like referring to Windows 95 as simply "95". I know many people do simply call it "Vista", but "Windows Vista" is the official title.
 * I disagree. Many things have a calling name next to the official title. I suggest we include a line in the opener explaining that Windows Vista is oftne reffered to as "Vista", as this will clarify the use, as well as serve as information for real-world application: Thanks to this line, people will be able to understand when someone else refers to "Vista". Arjunm 19:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

24.16.249.54 22:47, 28 January 2007 (UTC)The official name of the product is Microsoft Windows Vista.


 * I would also add that many editors have a rather annoying tendency to refer to the product as "Microsoft Vista" which is incorrect. It should be referred to as either "Microsoft Windows Vista", "Windows Vista" or "Vista." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rcandelori (talk • contribs) 14:40, 4 February 2007 (UTC).

Vista released
I changed the article to demostrate the fact that Vista has been released on January 30th as expected. While most of the world is still in January 29th, parts of the world are in January 30th and Vista has been released. It's wikipedia policy to follow local time when appropriate. In this case, it's clearly appropriate since Vista has been released. Nil Einne 11:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Was/IS
"On January 30, 2007 it was released worldwide to the general public" Isn't it only the 29th today? I'll change it, but if there is a reason for that, please explain.

Okay, it won't let me, If it will let you, thanks. Obi Two Knobi 13:50, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * If you view the edit where the first instance of tense change occured (this edit), the edit summary states that "It's already Jan 30th in parts of the world and Vista has been released. BG hasn't launched it yet, but it's verifable that it has been released". This is the case as I know in Australia, Harvey Norman has certain stores open from 11pm to 1am approx. Anyway, come next week, no-one will care. Harryboyles 14:54, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * In fact, this is explained in the section above> Harryboyles 14:55, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

I ran into the same issue. "Hamedog" rudely called me "ingnorant" (not sure what that means) when I changed the tense to reflect that it wasn't a "was" since the software's home country STILL, AT THIS MOMENT, hasn't released it yet. Hamedog, I appreciate that there are different time zones in different parts of the world, but there is no need to make up words that don't even exist to insult me. Shame on you. Stusutcliffe 04:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)Stusutcliffe


 * Please, just because someone else has been rude to you doesn't mean that you should be rude back to them. See Etiquette.  iamthebob ( talk 08:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Stusutcliffe, next time you have a problem with my way of acting on Wikipedia, please bring it up on my talk page. Sorry, it was a mis-spelling/typo - "ignorant" is the word I was intending to type. Also it was released at that time, meaning no need to change it back, and if we were going to go off a different time, shouldn't it be UTC?-- HamedogTalk|@ 04:06, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

What about backwards compatibility with XP software?
Maybe I am missing something, but I didn't see a section in this article on whether or not MS Vista is backwards compatible with running XP software. I have a number of programs such as Corel WordPerfect, (WordPerfect Office 2002) and misc. programs from Canon, Broderbund, National Geographic 100 Years on CD-ROM, and Judaica Multimedia's Encyclopaedia Judaica CD-ROM. How can I find out if this software will run properly on Vista? The issue of backwards compatibility with recent legacy software (last 5 years or so) should be an important part of this article. Any help would be greatly appreciated. RK 21:11, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Compatibility depends on how well-written the software is (ie. did they follow Microsoft's application design guidelines for Windows XP?), and whether or not Microsoft has put effort into making a shim to support specific applications. In some cases, entire classes of software written for XP doesn't work on Vista (firewall software, for example).  If someone wants to take a stab at writing about this, without getting into details of specific applications, that'd probably be good.  -/- Warren 03:35, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As a former Win32 programmer, I'd say it is not so much how well you follow the "application design guidelines", which are primarily a check list of features Microsoft want, how well you use the windows API. If you stick to the documented API with examples on MSDN, then yes, your stuff will work. If you go low level, use information you discovered by exploring the registry or rely on aspects of undocumented structures, you are out on your own. Low level tools do do stuff like power management, display driver tweaking and the like are very tightly coupled to an OS release, so are most likely to break. The other area is anything security related. Microsoft have done a lot to tighten obvious weakness, and applications that were used to operating in a slacker environment will break. This does not imply they did anything wrong in the past, only that Windows 2003 and Vista are fussier.


 * they use CHM or HLP help files for help. [] .HLP is the windows 3.x help format, .CHM is the embedded HTML help pages that turn out to be just another security risk. There is some support for these, but it is reduced []


 * they use various components that have been removed. As documented in []


 * They need to use features that are now protected by User Account Controls []. They do not break, but suddenly a dialog asking for approval appears. Signing the executable appears to fix this. []


 * Because the Web browser now runs in a sandbox, programs that are started by it have less rights than normal code. Some example issues from this are documented in the Java 6 notes []


 * Default users are no longer administrators. Programs that assume administrator rights (naughty!) stop working in this context. Installers are one example.


 * otherwise, it is stuff that goes to hardware, especially print drivers, device drivers, wifi cards, VPN tools, display drivers, etc, that are in trouble. These may all need to be recompiled and restested. Applications that are tightly coupled to specific bits of hardware (and custom drivers) may implicitly break until the drivers are updated.

Question
Does anyone know whether or not the online downloadable version of Vista a direct upgrade or the version which wipes out all your pre-exsisting XP memories? Bioran23 - To the impossible


 * It'll let you keep your stuff as you upgrade to Vista. It's still a good idea to back-up your most important stuff to CD though.  -/- Warren 03:38, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Does this apply to the upgrade disks as well? Bioran23 - To the impossible


 * Yes. When you upgrade to Vista it blows away the operating system, but not your applications and files. -/- Warren 06:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. And one last question, Vista is out TODAY right? Bioran23 - To the impossible
 * Yes, Vista-preloaded computers are already on sale. Carson 08:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Windows Vista and Office 2007 can now be downloaded online!
Yup, it's official! You can now DOWNLOAD all upgrade versions of Windows Vista (excluding Enterprise) as well as both upgrade and full install versions of Office 2007 Home and Student, Standard, and Professional.

Windows Vista: Office 2007:

Click on these links, and they will give you more information about how to download the upgradeable versions of Windows Vista onto your computer. The Office 2007 link will provide the same information, except that full install versions are also included.

Allan kuan1992 23:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Wonderful. This is the way of the future. The software needs to be tied to a number, not a disk. - Thekittenofterra 04:03, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Icelandic version
Hi, the page is protected so please add the Icelandic version: Windows Vista
 * Done. :) Carson 00:11, 31 January 2007 (UTC) Someone else did it. Carson 00:13, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Remote Desktop
The article mentions that only Business and Ultimate editions support Remote Desktop, but is that referring to the *server* or to the *client*? Can anyone confirm this? UOSSReiska 23:27, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Business, Enterprise, and Ultimate have the RDP server. The Home editions only have the client.  -/- Warren 23:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Retail versions DO NOT include 64 bit discs
Perhaps it was just this particular type, but the box of "Home Premium Edition" on the retail shelf, when opened displayed only a single DVD with just the 32 bit version. A piece of paper was slotted in which stated the 64 bit version is "available" on DVD for a nominal shipping fee. This version was opened by a store rep at a BestBuy so I'd sortof like to confirm it from someone who has purchased an off the shelf retail version to see if this was an isolated case or not. -Moocats 00:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * My copy also included only 32-bit. --Guess Who 22:06, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe only certain versions contain the 64 bit disks, because my Visa Ultimate Edition upgrade box contained both. BambinoPrime 20:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I keep hearing... the Ultimate edition ships with both DVDs, but Home doesn't. Would be good to get some independent confirmation on this, so we can add it to the article. -/- Warren 04:21, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't bet my life on it but from what I know Vista ships with all versions on one DVD. You get installed for what you have key and hardware.All Vista versions to ship on single disc, Cnet.--Pethr 04:32, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * All the 32-bit versions ship on one disc and all the 64-bit versions ship on another. It specifically says on my disc that it contains 32-bit software only. --Guess Who 06:36, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Only the Ultimate edition comes packaged with 64-bit software. 64-bit software is, however, available for all versions. You can use this link to find more information, and get instructions on how to order the 64-bit discs: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/products/windowsvista/editions/64bit.mspx You'll be charged only the usual shipping and handling fees. It should also be noted that you can only obtain the 64-bit versions on DVDs - CD installations are not an option. 72.70.153.156 10:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not sure about you guys, but my Windows Vista Home Basic Upgrade Edition did not come with a 64 bit disc. It simply states on the dvd, that it only contains the 32 bit version. I can't check all 6 versions how ever. Any more clarification of what other versions have it or don't have it would be great as we could add it to the article. --Dcluett 05:47, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Explain OEM Versions
Since many places seem to be selling OEM versions of Windows Vista (and Microsoft has stated that they are not frowning upon this), I think it would be good to have a section that describes the differences between a Retail and OEM copy. It took me a good half-hour to fully understand the differences between them, and then to confirm them. From what I gather, there are three major differences. You don't get the box or manual. You don't get customer support through Microsoft. And you need to call Microsoft to reactivate your version of Windows Vista if you change your motherboard (however, you will NOT need to buy another copy of the OS).

Just thought I'd mention this, as it would be very useful information to have...and that's what Wikipedia is about.

68.205.53.156 01:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC) (Annon Kaies Zi)

An OEM licensed copy of Windows (XP/Vista) can only be sold with a fully built PC to which it is going to be installed. Once installed, it is legally tied to the hardware and cannot be moved to a different PC at all. (Upgrading the motherboard because it died is one of the very few exceptions). GoonerW 06:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Note: The reference to OEM is in the MS OEM System Builder license located at http://oem.microsoft.com/downloads/Public/sblicense/English_SB_License.pdf

Section 4.1 is where it states that it must be with a fully assembled system. GoonerW 06:50, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Vista Vs. OS X?
Hi, I thought an article Comparisons between Windows Vista and Mac OS X would be a good idea, so it would all be in one place. I'm posting this on Mac OS X as well, so any comments would be appreciated Shealer 15:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Notice: This article has been proposed for deletion. Harryboyles 12:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

As I said on the Mac board, this sounds like a good idea, but would need to be done very well with mature people on both ends to avoid POV issues. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 10:44, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Licensing
There is a new article about Vista, most notably about detailing the end user license:

''Vista's legal fine print includes extensive provisions granting Microsoft the right to regularly check the legitimacy of the software and holds the prospect of deleting certain programs without the user's knowledge.

During the installation process, users "activate" Vista by associating it with a particular computer or device and transmitting certain hardware information directly to Microsoft.

Even after installation, the legal agreement grants Microsoft the right to revalidate the software or to require users to reactivate it should they make changes to their computer components.''

Once operational, the agreement warns that Windows Defender will, by default, automatically remove software rated "high" or "severe" even though that may result in other software ceasing to work or mistakenly result in the removal of software that is not unwanted.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6319845.stm —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.74.72.117 (talk)

Virtualization forbidden using home versions
The section in "Criticism" on virtualization goes off into a conspiracy theory relating to Parallels Desktop for Mac. The author appears to believe that virtualization was invented by Parallels, is exclusive to Parallels, and is only for Mac users who need to use Windows apps occasionally. This section should be rewritten. Dalangalma 02:51, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I've removed it entirely -- twice. It's just not a significant enough piece of criticism to warrant a place on the main Windows Vista article.  We have a separate criticism article, and it may have a place there, but definitely without the conspiracy theories... -/- Warren 06:43, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Doesn't a "Conspiracy theory" normally involve some other explanation that is more accepted?  I have three media sources backing this up, and no one has reported otherwise.  As far as significance: Kernel Patch Protection is a technical issue that only effects people who write anti-virus software, but anyone who is even thinking about running Paralells needs to know about Microsoft's new restrictions.     Few users are going to check this level of detail in a EULA before buying a product so Microsoft will be trapping a large number of paying, well intended customers into a situation that violates the EULA. Algr


 * "The author appears to believe that virtualization was invented by Parallels" -  Fixing this required changing one word. Algr


 * You're seriously conflating the importance of Parallels; this issue will affect tens of thousands of people, not millions. Kernel Patch Protection is more important because it's created some major press in recent months, including full-page advertisments in newspapers, concerns that Microsoft is arbitrarily locking out anti-virus vendors because they have their own anti-virus product, and so on and so forth.  Millions of people purchase anti-virus products every year, so it's an issue of interest to many of our readers.  The fact that some Mac users will have to purchase a more expensive edition to be in license compliance when using Windows under a third-party virtualisation solution is -not- a major issue.  Feel free to edit Criticism of Windows Vista and add it there, but this article is already long enough as it is without getting into issues that will affect a small number of a small minority group. -/- Warren 20:42, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Vista Ultimate Texas Hold 'Em poker
Here's a nice video demo of the new poker game extra in Vista, maybe a nice addition? http://www.metacafe.com/watch/414141/windows_vista_ultimate_extra_texas_hold_em_poker_demonstration/

Incompatibillity w/ Zune
I may have just missed it, but is there any mention of Vista's Zune problem? If not it should be added (I would but I'm "new"). PS WIndows rocks!!! Obi Two Knobi 01:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Zune is fully compatible with Windows Vista. There's no reason to mention it. -/- Warren 06:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Criticism
According to Criticism

In general, making separate sections with the title "Criticism" is discouraged...

Criticism sections should not violate Article structures that can imply a point of view. These sections must not be created to marginalize criticism or critics of the article's topic or imply that this criticism is not true while the more positive claims in the rest of the article are.

Why is this article nominated for formatting awards when it fails this test?

Since the article is to be written from a neutral point of view (a Wikipedia prime-directive), I have trouble understanding how any section entitled "Criticism" can be neutral in its portrayal of the topic. It further implies that the balance of the article (the non-Criticism sections) avoids criticisms to a fault.

Rob 2/4/07 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.32.166.121 (talk) 17:00, 4 February 2007 (UTC).


 * The issue of integrating criticism into the rest of the article has been brought up a few times before, but nobody's found a really good way to do this with operating system articles. It tends to work better with biographies and other types of articles that follow a subject through a linear time pattern. Development of Windows Vista, for example, has criticism sprinkled through it, instead of having a separate section.  Here, though, it works fine as a separate section, since the criticism is itself presented in a balanced fashion.  -/- Warren 20:06, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

There's a whole wiki article dedicated to criticism: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Windows_Vista. Why are those duplicated?

Fiji (Vista SP1/Vista R2)
Since the article on Windows Fiji was removed, I think it would be a good idea to at least include a small section about it in the Vista article. There is a lot of good articles about it that have been published. Windows Fiji is the first service pack (SP) of Vista and Microsoft expects it to be released sometime in 2007.

Possible Sources: http://apcmag.com/5098/microsoft_kick_starts_vista_sp1 http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=142

64.126.78.83 17:38, 4 February 2007 (UTC)


 * There's no proof right now that the term "Fiji" is anything but the product of Mary Jo Foley's imagination. Nobody at Microsoft has used it, and everybody else who uses the term heard it from Foley.  As for SP1 itself, there's really no information about it out there other than the fact that it's coming; everything else is speculation, and we really don't need to publish a whole bunch of speculative material in this article.  Wikipedia is not a crystal ball.  -/- Warren 19:57, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Screenshot dispute
Please do not include User:SCJohnson77's screenshot (Image:Vistascrnst2.jpg). For one, it does not comply with Wikipedia's screenshot policy. In addition to that, it is a screenshot of build 5600, which is obsolete. Thank you. — Alex (T 02:31, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

"support to 2012"
The article suggests (well, makes explicit) that Microsoft will only support Vista to 2012. Since they're also supporting XP to 2012, I wonder if someone hasn't got some wires crossed? 203.129.54.183 02:52, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

The Windows support cycle is broken into two stages, mainstream and extended, each lasting 5 years. XP's extended support should expire at the end of 2011, and Vista's mainstream support should expire at the beginning of 2012. It should then have 5 years of extended support.

http://support.microsoft.com/?LN=en-us&scid=fh%3Ben-us%3Blifecycle&x=11&y=11 http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/default.mspx

I don't find any mention of 2012 in the article now; it'd be a shame if someone simply removed that without checking into it. 129.44.254.113 04:20, 12 February 2007 (UTC)Doug

no EAX sound
There is no support for hardware accelerated sound in Windows Vista, making all current and older games get very bad 3D sound support. Creative has developed an alternative solution which however will not work on all games. There is some speculation, that these changes will hurt soundcard sales. I believe this should be mentioned somewhere in this article and not just kept in a sidenote in connected articles. --84.178.123.209 22:53, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

This is not true, It does work as i'm using it on battlefield 2142. You just have to go to creatives website and download the Windows Vista Drivers in beta. --Dcluett 22:04, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Technically speaking, hardware acceleration (including EAX) in DirectSound has been eliminated under Vista. Microsoft considers DirectSound itself depreciated now (although software mixing is still supported), and did not consider hardware acceleration worth supporting considering the small market share Creative Labs cards now occupy.  Also, the fact that with multi-core CPUs now widely available, it is simpler for game developers to use software audio mixers (similar to the Xbox 360) on a dedicated CPU core instead of relying on audio hardware.  Some games utilize the OpenAL library, which supports hardware acceleration on Creative Labs cards through a set of custom drivers which essentially bypasses the new Vista audio stack.  Another alternative Creative Labs is developing is an external dll that emulates DirectSound functionality, and routes hardware acceleration through OpenAL drivers if available.  Jboer 10:58, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

"Windows vista is very good but the windows xp is better"
Um, I don't have editor rights currently, but the above clause is embedded in the second sentence under Development, and it should be removed. It is not only bad grammar, but even as a standalone statement, it violates the neutrality of the article.

I'm just posting this for those who otherwise might not notice the text to remove it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.141.117.10 (talk) 20:21, 7 February 2007 (UTC).


 * This was another instance of vandalism and was reverted. Thanks for spotting that. Harryboyles 10:20, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Windows Vista Proper Speech
There should be an addition to whether Vista is said "Vee-sta" or "Vih-sta".67.54.240.50 03:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)Thanks, Cody.
 * YES! So I'm not the only one who pronounces it "Vee-sta". However, my Merriam-Webster collegiate dictionary only allows for "Vih-sta" as a pronunciation. So I guess that's how it is. I was surprised when I saw the "Get a Mac" ad and heard "Vih-sta", since that was the first time I heard it pronounced. 4.242.147.223 01:17, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, it's pronounced "vih-stah" if it's the same as the word vista (I assume it is). m-w.com will probably confirm this (although, it does have "nucular" as a correct pronunciation for nuclear). --CCFreak2K 07:06, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Vulgarity in Windows Vista page - MorningGlory732 20:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista

I was hoping to find more valuable information about Windows Vista vs. XP, but this is what I found instead:

"Why you should buy Windows Windows is a great way to download and watch porn. With its ease of hacking into porn sites you can watch all the great videos around the net. Windows is also gay which means gay porn will also be automatically downloaded to the new folder, "My Pornos"."

Somebody please take this out.
 * Fixed and blocked by other users. Thanks for pointing that out! Luna Santin 21:00, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

I must ask, instead of complaining about it why not just remove it? Be bold. If you think something doesn't belong and is unencyclopedic -- remove it! It's obvious this was someone being silly. Nja247 (talk • contribs) 10:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it was an IP user who commented first; the article is locked.  iamthebob ( talk 05:40, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Windows Vista Font?
I was wondering, what font does Windows Vista use for it's title bars? I know that XP uses Trebuchet MS, but does anyone know the specific font Vista uses? --72.138.99.23 21:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It's Segoe UI. Harryboyles 23:07, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

DirectX/Backward compatibility
"Games or programs which are built on Vista's version of DirectX, 10, will not work on prior versions of Windows, as DirectX 10 is not backwards-compatible with DirectX 9."

This does not describe backwards-compatibility (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backward_compatibility). Backwards-compatible would be the reverse; software designed for DirectX 9 working with DirectX 10. It is correct, however, that DirectX 10 is not backward-compatible (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directx_10). 129.44.254.113 13:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)Doug

Vista redirect
I'd just like to say that there is a poll on Vista on the Vista talk page about having it redirect here and having the current Vista become a disabiguate instead. Cloud02 22:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Locked
I'm just wondering, why is this locked? This is not a problem for me, because I have an account that has been here for a while. I am merely curuios, as to why it has been locked, as others may not be able to add thier info to the article. Cheers --Robin63 09:09, 12 February 2007 (UTC) "Why you should buy Windows Windows is a great way to download and watch porn. With its ease of hacking into porn sites you can watch all the great videos around the net. Windows is also gay which means gay porn will also be automatically downloaded to the new folder, "My Pornos"." Windows Vista is big at the moment, which brings all the people who think they are funny out of the woodwork either to support it or bash it. Given the amount of hate sent against MS I doubt this article will be unprotected any time soon.--204.76.128.217 13:29, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * From a little above on this page:

popularity of this article
Editors of this article might find this interesting... put shortly, this article is the 9th most commonly read article on the Wikipedia right now, including the main page. It was pretty popular last month, too. I've spent a year working on this article so I'm pretty thrilled to see that it gets read over 25,000 times a day, but we get very low levels of vandalism. :-) -/- Warren 05:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Very interesting, and congratulations to all editors and to you Warren for your stewardship. There has been a big surge of interest since the release date(s).  Keep up the good work everyone. Peter Campbell 02:48, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, good work. But I wasn't surprised that things like Sex, masterbation and vagina were on the list either :-|. Jasca Ducato 11:34, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Lock Again?
There sure is a lot of vandalism of this article. I think that it is best that it remains locked.


 * I agree. Megastealer 03:35, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

At the moment, vandalism is at normal levels, nothing we can't handle. There is no need for semi protection. Harryboyles 03:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Question about DVD
Does anybody know, what kind of DVD is it? Does Microsoft use DVD-R or DVD+R? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Waltersimons (talk • contribs)
 * DVDs that are produces within a factory for commercial distribution are regular DVDs. --Sigma 7 19:33, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's just a regular DVD-ROM format. BWCNY 03:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * :Thank you! So no matter what Laptop DVD drive I have, the original Vista DVD will definitely work? User:Waltersimons


 * Yes walter it works. It is pressed CD/DVD so it works on all computers --SkyWalker 08:39, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

version of unicode
does anybody know what version of unicode Vista comes with? Is it Unicode Standard, Version 5.0? 207.202.227.125 21:55, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Criticism about environmental impact
I've had a revert on an addition I did about the environmental impact. The addition was to the Criticism section, and added 'and even the environment' and a single link.

I think the impact of Vista on the environment is non-trivial and not 'stupid' as the reverter said. See   and 

My original version was http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Windows_Vista&oldid=110241296#Criticism I don't think this violates NPOV - can someone give me some guidance? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Peterl (talk • contribs) 06:08, 23 February 2007 (UTC).


 * The articles second and third articles you've provided are full of incorrect information, written by people who are looking for something to get worked up about, but without taking responsibility for actually looking at factual data. One point claimed is that most computers in use don't support 1ghz processors.  Really?  What about the ~1 billion computers that have been sold in the last five years that well exceed Vista's requirements?  Most people will need little more than a memory upgrade.  There's a space of about three years (1998-2001) where companies were routinely selling machines that meet XP's requirements, but not Vista's requirements.  Laptops lagged behind by a couple of years... Landfills don't fill up with old computers because a new operating system got released; people buy a new computer because their old one is simply too slow for the advanced stuff expected of computers in 2007 (streaming internet videos, lots of applications open, modern games, etc.).  What they do with the old computers is up to them -- landfill is not a foregone conclusion.  Dell, for example, has a whole program for this, where they will either find a school or charity to give your old stuff to, or they'll recycle it.  In either case, they come right to your door.


 * Then there's the incorrect information about people throwing away all their existing hardware because ... how did they put it? The hardware "lack(s) the paranoid lock-down mechanisms Vista forces us to use."  That's completely wrong -- the facts prove this; the relevant information can be found in the Criticism of Windows Vista article's DRM section.  This Sian Berry person who made this statement is clearly badly misinformed and couldn't be bothered to do some utterly basic research before discussing things she's not familiar with.


 * Anyways, this article doesn't have space for fringe views that come from unreliable sources that contain easily-disproved facts. -/- Warren 08:21, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Cost of Manufacturing
Does anyone actually know how much each box of windows vista actually costs?,it doesnt seem mentioned.It seems to me that although it must of cost alot for the software developement,to mass produce versions of windows vista for retail each one can't cost for than $50 with the packaging and the blank discs they burned the software on,yet the ultimate edition is $400,and it wouldnt even cost much more to make than the others,so im guessing the ration of retail to manufacture cost is big.192.30.202.29 20:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't imagine the boxes, materials, DVDs, etc. costing more than $20 per unit at the ABSOLUTE maximum (it's probably closer to $5, maybe even less). Hell, the DVDs themselves can probably be made for less than a dime a pop (ahh, good old economy of scale).  FYI, commercial CDs/DVDs are not burned; they are pressed (see CD manufacturing). --CCFreak2K 07:16, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

"Shadow Copy" or "Previous Versions?"
The true name of this feature is Shadow Copy, not Previous Versions. Please see Windows Vista: Features Explained: Shadow Copy for more details. <span style="color:#FFD800;background:#ED9121;font-family: Lucida Sans Unicode, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica"> Mete <span style="color:#00DFFF;background:#002080;font-family: Lucida Sans Unicode, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica;">oroid <span style="color:#00DFFF;background:#002080;font-family: Lucida Sans Unicode, Verdana, Arial, Helvetica;">← 21:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep it's called Shadow Copy.. I guess "Previous Versions" came about because that's what the tab is labeled --⁪froth T 06:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

System Updates vs. new versions of bundled programs
I'd like to know what's new in the operating system itself; I'm less interested in what new software programs come bundled with WV. I can download the latest Internet Explorer and used it with XP, okay? But what can I only get by upgrading the system? --Uncle Ed 03:47, 26 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That's what our articles Features new to Windows Vista and Technical features new to Windows Vista are for. Really, those articles will give you a much better explanation than I ever could. <b style="color:darkblue;">Harryboyles</b> 05:00, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Screenshots & Reviews
The title contains the word "Screenshots", yet there are no links to galleries. In the past, it used to link to http://neosmart.net/gallery/v/os/Vista/ which contains screenshots for many stages during the beta process, as well as screenshots of the final RTM build. I don't see a valid reason not to have that link there. Computer Guru 09:13, 1 March 2007 (UTC)