Talk:Wire sculpture

Deletion (from merged article Wire Sculpture Jewellery)
There is no reference on "Wire Sculpture Jewellery" page about Goldfinch Jewelers. It simply mentions what wire Sculpture Jewelry is. Any reference to anything else is completely by the complainer not on the original page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wnterhawk (talk • contribs).
 * It still reads like a commercial piece, and shouldn't be more than a redirect to "Wire Sculpture", just as "Champlevé jewellery" should probably not exist, or at most redirect to "Champlevé" --Eyrian 18:05, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Wire Sculpture is a separate issue from wire sculpture jewellery. They are two different things. It does not mention anything about ANY jewelers.

However under wire wrap Jewellery has Extra links to "Sellers" pages ..How is that Ok but it's not Ok to have goldfinch jewelers as a link there?

Also under wire wrap jewelry there is a picture of a wire bracelet that when clicke don it takes you to a personal website for selling jewellery... How is that OK —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wnterhawk (talk • contribs).


 * Those links had stuck around because they appeared have a fair amount of tutorial content. However, upon rereading, I've eliminated all but one of them. Please read WP:EL to determine what should be linked. After reading all of the articles, I am of the opinion that Wire wrap jewellery, Wire sculpture, and Wire Sculpture Jewellery do not deserve separate articles and should be merged. --Eyrian 18:29, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Well I agree with deleting the two you did ... but I would say that EniOcen is selling her jewellery there too. She has a very Unsophisticated site. So you are not accepting Goldfinch jewelers because the site happens to be VERY expensive looking in comparrison. However it is still the same thing... Hand made Jewelry.

as far as mergin the wire pages ...that probably makes sense too as long as the individual areas are acknowledged as separate. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wnterhawk (talk • contribs).

Notability of Goldfinch Jewelers
I'll try again ... May I ask for advice please: Where would it be proper to acknowledge Goldfinch Jewelers? And how do you go about that? I don't wish to create SPAM or any other issues? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wnterhawk (talk • contribs).
 * There may not be a place for such information on Wikipedia. Please read WP:NOTE and WP:ORG. If those criteria are met, then a specific article can be created. --Eyrian 19:01, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Calder as an Example
By the way too: Alexander Calder is a really poor example of a Wire Jewellery artist. He is more of a painter and sculpture of large "mobiles" This sculpture was what he is known for. Some have even inferred that he invented it. Although it is more accurate that it could be said he was the first to take it into the realm or "art" He should be in Wire Sculpture. but he is only an "also ran" for jewelry. ( Just so you know I have a degree in Art ) Len Lambert PhD. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wnterhawk (talk • contribs).
 * I put his name in because it was the only one I knew offhand. If there are notable artist known for this technique, their links can be included as well. And this article isn't just about jewllery; it is about the practice of shaping wire into art. Sometimes this art takes the form of jewellery. --Eyrian 19:14, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Wire sculpture vs wire wrap jewelry vs wire sculpture jewelry
As someone who has made or does make all three of these, I don't agree that they are the same thing. For example, the bracelet in the picture is not wire sculpture or wire sculpture jewelry, it is wire wrap jewelry (it is a Connie Fox piece, or at least her style). I can understand wanting to put all three groups under one heading, particularly since there is so little information there, and that's fine, but Wire Sculpture is the wrong title for the page. Wire Art might be more appropriate.

Also, since they ARE all grouped together, it would be nice if the pages with the American spelling of jewelry also redirected it. Bluesalamanders 14:47, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What is the difference? Is there a reliable source for different definitions? The article title is currently based on making sculpture ("producing figurative or abstract works of art in three dimensions") out of wire. It was derived from several articles that were merged together, that didn't claim any real difference between what they were. --Eyrian 17:27, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatever the difference is, having a page called "Wire-Wrap Jewelry" that redirects to "Wire Sculpture" and "Wire-Wrapped Jewelry" that is it's own page for a specific style of making jewelry does not make any sense.


 * Wire-wrap, wire-wrapped, wire-wrapping - all the same thing if speaking of jewelry terms. The first is the noun, and the next the adjectives.  The wire-wrapped jewelry should be linked from wire sculpture, not direct to it.


 * The definitions are not precise, but I've seen bracelets like that in many, many wire-wrapping books. It's a bunch of common wire components on a bigger wire, no different than stringing beads on a string once you've made them.  The only difference is that it keeps it's shape.  The commonness of the ability to make and combine those components is what makes that bracelet not wire-sculpture for me, but that's just an opinion. WPaulB (talk) 04:42, 10 October 2011 (UTC)