Talk:Wirral Grammar School for Boys

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Why do people believe it is an advertisment

Anyone know the name or author of the book in the WGSB library about the history of the school?--Darrelljon 11:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

ill find out, why does the page need cleaning


 * Found it, The History of Wirral Grammar School for Boys 1931 - 1991 by Pete Murphy.--Darrelljon 20:58, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Because the current version of the article reads like an advertisement. "...continues to achieve excellent results ... Recently the school celebrated yet another achievement ..."--Darrelljon 13:55, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I have made some changes following the request for a cleanup, mostly minor. I feel that although some of the changes I have made still portray the school in a good light they are much more factual than the previous versions.--Fider 16:28, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Had to retag it with advert template, as it not at all encyclopaedic in tone.--Darrelljon 19:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Mr Hazeldine
Maybe we should wait until September before we place Mr Hazeldine in the Headmaster section? I feel that this is slightly misleading as it suggests he is currently Headmaster despite Mr Cooper still being there. I have made an adjustment for now, please feel free to make any suggestions--Fider 16:11, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

He is now offically head so i put him in

Previous poster's entry seems to have been deleted, so I have re-entered it. There seems to be a certain amount of foolish vandalism going on at the WGSB entry in general at the moment - I hope that it will stop before I have to ask the Wikipedia moderators to protect this article. Ringbark 16:28, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

French Assistants

 * 1997 - 1998 Amelie?
 * 1996 - 1997 Sara
 * 1995 - 1996 Didier
 * 1994 - 1995 Christophe

Its something like that, the most recent is 2006-2007 Jérôme, from Britanny, 2005-2006 Sylvan,and 2003-2004 was Vincent, can't remember 2004-2005 though

Edit: The 2004-2005 French assistant was from Martinique, I can't remember her name though...

I a have close friend who was studying French A-level in 04/05. I remember the assistant from Martinique, but no name comes to mind. I will speak to him and hopefully all will be revealed. May be able to remember some of the others too- I'm pretty sure there was another assistant named Christophe, around 99-00 for example. Will clarify.

How can you not remember her name! It was Yoma Cilla! Also the one the year before Vincent was Rochelle or something like that IIRC
 * Morgane is the new one for 2009.--Darrelljon (talk) 19:53, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But none satisfy notability policy; Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. -- Rodhull andemu  19:56, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Peculiarities
They still use duty boys, commendations and reprimands don't they?--Darrelljon 21:33, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Well they do have commendations and reprimandsm not too sure on duty boys -- Fider 14:33, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

It's a definite no to duty boys, but commendations and reprimands are firmly still in place.

Houses
The section on houses refers to Wilson but that wasn't the first W mixed class. There was a class in the 70's (whilst Wilson was still Prime Minister) that had the letter W. It was named after Mrs Walker (its form teacher for the first three years) and its last form teach was a Mr Cooper. Recidivus 17:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)yes.

YouTube Section
No matter how much I read this I keep thinking that it's been written by a member of staff, or atleast it's come from the school, It's right when it says they're Weasel words, There's no sources left on it, (which there are - on the Globe's site) NateJay 19:59, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

I wonder whether it's actually notable, and should be deleted as non-notable. Give it a couple of months, and it will all be forgotten. Ringbark 21:50, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Well it's not the fact if it's notable or not, it's just that no sources have been added and it's right when it says Weasel Words, but it's good to see that the source is up now NateJay 17:25, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Clean up and new items
Ok, looking nicer with an info box etc.

Do we have permission for the Livewire picture of Mr Hazeldine?

Speaking of Livewire, couldn't we add in a link at the bottom? Already been done, but I'll edit it so it says the name at least... —The preceding unsigned comment was added by NateJay (talk • contribs).

Advertisement
81.111.16.135 12:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

does anybody else feel like this was written internally? by a member of staff etc?

it needs to be more factual than opinionated and i don't think its that valuable an article at all.
 * Yes, ip addresses could ascertain this.--Darrelljon 14:22, 10 April 2007 (UTC)


 * It was written largely by two pupils whose names I know but won't reveal, so I suppose it was written internally. R. New, 19: 53, 16th January 2008  —Preceding comment was added at 19:49, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Incidents section
Is this insufficiently important? The Youtube controversy made the local press, but other incidents happen all the time in schools.--Darrelljon 20:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


 * They could be notable within the school itself, especially if a large number of students were expelled or if it led to cameras being banned. I know these incidents only affect a small number of people, but that said parts of every article are only going to be significant to a small number of readers. I'd prefer it if there was more evidence of them though Guycalledryan 00:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I looked for a relevant guideline on notability of sections but wasn't able to find one (it seems to apply to articles more than sections). I did however find this which suggests it may fail the verifiability criteria. In any case, to describe the Cricket Square incident as a controversy isn't accurate.--Darrelljon 16:39, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Headmasters
Quit adding lengthy descriptions about how one person was facist or how another was named after a bus. They are not sourced and are often derogatory to the person they are describing, and as a result violate a number of wikipedia policies. Guycalledryan 00:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Radio Station
As I am a pupil at WGSB I know for certain there is going to be a radio station. Please do not delete this sentance and also I wrote an extra sentance about Wilson becoming a separate house one of my friends is Chris Crowley son of Head of PE Phillip Crowley. Lucas&amp;Ashley 17:53, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Since i'm also a member of the school, and have better sources, i'll contradict you and say that it's still being debated, it is NOT a house as of now 172.201.77.223 00:25, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism (?)
There seem to be a fairly large number of stupid comments being added to the article page, and I am compelled to remove them, which is annoying. I might be overreacting just a little bit, but would be possible to lock editing of the page by new or unregistered users?

R. New, 19:47, 16th January 2008 (UTC)

YouTube again
I've deleted this as it does not seem to satisfy notability policy. In addition, the cited source was used to support not only a breach of policy on writing about living people but also to imply the school had been fined- both of these are actionable at law and would need very reliable sources. If anyone wants to establish its notability (bearing in mind also this policy), please cite appropriate sources, which must justify any allegations made. -- Rodhull andemu  15:01, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism
I liked the way it had the names of the houses with the colours in the vandalised version, they were correct. (aside from wisen and slea...) I don't know wikipedia's policy on it, and I can't change it myself due to protection, but can we have it back? --92.25.244.91 (talk) 22:35, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I protected this article because of the vandalism, but it has to be said that the article lacks reliable sources for this detail; perhaps if you can provide a link to the school website to confirm this? Meanwhile, I have no objection to restoring the Houses, and their colours, to the infobox, and will format them properly; however, I am not keen on doing this if idiots keep adding nonsense to this article, because I do have better things to do with my time here. I have emailed the school office seeking some clarification of this problem. Thanks. -- Rodhull andemu  22:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Wisen, Slea, and Mole refer to students in the current y10, but all others are correct. Unfortunately I have no sources for that.--92.25.244.91 (talk) 22:53, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I'll accept that. I've already blocked two vandal accounts today, because although rainbow colours for individual characters may be appropriate for some websites, they are not welcome here. I'll restore the House colours to the infobox. Perhaps if you have a word with Year 10, you might convince them that an encyclopedia is to be regarded as a serious and credible source of information. Cheers. -- Rodhull andemu  23:10, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, although I'll doubt it will stop. It actually says to make an account to get around the ban if a school is being blocked...--92.25.244.91 (talk) 23:20, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Believe me, of all the school articles I have on my watchlist, this is probably amongst the quietest for vandalism, but also my experience is that it tends to come in waves as pupils discover the power of the Internet. However, you might also be aware of the old adage of "power without responsibility", which can happen here, and if it gets too intolerable, all we can do is prevent any editing; whereas that may shut out well-intended editors, the balance must be in favour of providing information, and those editors should not have a problem with creating an account to edit. But thanks for your understanding. -- Rodhull andemu  23:32, 4 March 2009 (UTC)