Talk:Wishin' and Hopin' (Grey's Anatomy)/GA1

GA Review
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Reviewer: M.Mario (talk · contribs) 19:56, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Disambig, Refs & External
 * Firstly, please find a better, more reliable source in replacement for the IMDb sources


 * Please fix disambig's.
 * Link works and publishers in references.
 * Ref 2-> "47 mins in" is not needed, what your supporting is invalid.
 * You need to link Cinema Blend.

Infobox
 * The image is up for deletion, so until either you agree whether it should be deleted or not, the review is on hold.
 * The music is the main issue. There should be nothing in the infobox, which is not in the main articLe. I can see you have included two in the 'Development', how ever you need to add the rest.

Lead

Note: Look at article Goodbye (Grey's Anatomy) for more information on how to write the lead.
 * Firstly, go through the article and look for spelling mistakes. There is one in the first line, :D
 * "In the episode, Dr. Meredith Grey (Ellen Pompeo) struggles with her Alzheimer's-stricken mother's becoming temporarily lucid. Further storylines include Dr. Izzie Stevens (Katherine Heigl) and Dr. Miranda Bailey (Chandra Wilson) continuously seeking patients for their new clinic, Dr. Richard Webber (James Pickens, Jr.) dealing with the repercussions of his upcoming retirement, and Dr. George O'Malley (T.R. Knight) facing negative response from colleagues on his unexpected marriage". - Mention actress and name of Merediths mother, and who George marries (and actor).
 * Rewrite to: "This episode's title refers to the song, "Wishin' and Hopin'", written by British pop musician Dusty Springfield, and the episode was filmed in Los Angeles, California.
 * ❌ I respectfully disagree. It doesn't sound accurate, and it wouldn't be appropriate to include these different types of information (title reference and filming location) in the same sentence. Jonathan Harold Koszeghi (talk) 08:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "Kate Burton (Dr. Ellis Grey) reprised her role as a guest star, in addition to Sarah Utterback (Olivia Harper)" - If you mention mother as I sadi above, then your have to rewrite this. Also if not, it is inconsistent with the rest of the article. You must put: Name of character (Actor name).
 * "story line" - merge word
 * "with the story line involving Ellis' lucidity being particularly praised" -> the storyline involving Ellis was particulalry praised.
 * "Running for 47 minutes and 21 seconds" -> Not needed in Lead.

Plot

 * ""Wishin' and Hopin'" opens to a voice-over narration from Dr. Meredith Grey (Ellen Pompeo) about extraordinary events" -> Maybe just start "In this episode the Denny Duquette Memorial Clinic has been opened....".
 * ❌ The voice-over is significant to every episode, as it focuses on the episode's subject, also providing Grey's perspective. I think mention should be made about this, just like in the other episode articles from WikiProject: Grey's Anatomy, which have already passed as GA and have this mention in the plot summary. Jonathan Harold Koszeghi (talk) 08:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * "Shepherd and Burke run out of air, so Yang, Stevens, and Meredith enter holding their breath to close Wagner's incision." -> Shepherd and Burke run out of air whilst operating on Maria, so Yang, Stevens, and Meredith enter holding their breath to close Maria incision.
 * "At the conclusion of the episode, Ellis' lucidity has vanished, leaving Meredith and Webber distraught." -> Maybe link lucidity earlier on, and does this mean she has died?
 * Comment: If the reader knows what lucidity is, it is obvious she has not died, which is why there is a link.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 05:47, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Production

 * Change to 'Production and development'
 * As I said at Talk:Goodbye (Grey's Anatomy)/GA1, this is not appropriate nor necessary.  TRLIJC19   (  talk  ) 05:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * "Rater on the episode's premise" -> Who is Rater? Put "Episode writer Joan Rater".
 * "Denny Duquette's death and Meredith's involvement in the love triangle between her, Derek and Finn" - Alot of unmentioned people.
 * For every character you mention put the actor name in brackets.
 * "Rater noted how the balance Meredith had just found in her life" -> Rewrite.
 * A lot of quotes! Maybe cut down.
 * ❌ There are four quotes in production, five including the one the quote box. While on one hand, I see your point, on the other hand, the statements are quoted can not be put in indirect speech and express the same meaning as Joan Rater wanted. Do you see what I mean? Jonathan Harold Koszeghi (talk) 08:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Reception

 * "Storyline" is one word.
 * Yes- you need to explain what lucidty is more clearer.
 * There, again is a lot of quotes, so which could be cut down.
 * ❌ Just like stated above at "Production", moving the statements I chose to quote to indirect speech, would not provide the same message for the reader. Some at reception also provide interjections which obviously can not be put into indirect speech. Jonathan Harold Koszeghi (talk) 08:26, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Criteria

 * 1) It is reasonably well written.
 * a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
 * Finish points on Reception and Production.
 * 1) It is factually accurate and verifiable.
 * a (references): b (citations to reliable sources):  c (OR):
 * This article makes use of a wide range of academic sources.
 * 1) It is broad in its coverage.
 * a (major aspects): b (focused):
 * 1) It follows the neutral point of view policy.
 * Fair representation without bias:
 * 1) It is stable.
 * No edit wars, etc.:
 * There was a few, however all IP' have been warned or blocked.
 * 1) It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
 * a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:
 * 1) Overall:
 * Pass/Fail:

New Points
- Per uploading a new image, which I doubt at all fits the criteria;
 * Link Bailey and Stevens (Plus actor names)
 * The image has been removed. Jonathan Harold Koszeghi (talk) 10:45, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Fix broken link to Olivia Harper
 * "Episodic writer Joan Rater on the episode's premise" -> Episode writer Joan Rater on the episode. - Dont try to be fancy, sometime simple captions work the best
 * Reference 3 - Neilsen needs linking.

- The image is my main concern, I feel again, it does not fit the criteria and may have to nominate for deletion. — M.Mario  (T/C) 08:56, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
 * The image has been deleted. Jonathan Harold Koszeghi (talk) 10:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * The music is the main issue. There should be nothing in the infobox, which is not in the main article. I can see you have included two in the 'Development', how ever you need to add the rest. - You crossed this point out, however did not do it.
 * I'm sorry. I did do it, but I might have accidentally closed the page before saving. I'm working on it. Jonathan Harold Koszeghi (talk) 10:37, 7 July 2012 (UTC)


 * Also quick note- Is there a source which explicity says the episode is named after the song? If not, that is WP:OR.

Fail: Per good article criteria part 6 this article fails, as the image does not have "valid fair use rationales". You may renominate soon, after you have fixed the point above. However, before you renominate, I advise you to either a) strenghte the file's rationale b) chose to not upload an image for this article. Well, Good luck! — M.Mario  (T/C) 09:17, 7 July 2012 (UTC)