Talk:With Teeth

October 2004
I beleive that "With Teath" was ment to be a description of the sound of the forthcoming album, and that it still has no official title. In my humble opinion, this page is premature. --Insomniak 8:39 29 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Ignore above comment. Reznor has stated in later updates that this is the current title. My Apologies --Insomniak 23:19, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Just posted on the NIN website: WITH TEETH IS FINISHED. THE BAND IS REHEARSING. I CAN'T WAIT TO PRESENT THIS MUSIC TO YOU - ON YOUR STEREO AND IN YOUR TOWN. HAPPY NEW YEAR - TR 12.31.04

James Foster 11:47, 1 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I recommend moving this page to With Teeth (Album) or similar, to avoid confusion with the Melvins song of the same name. --Lysol 06:42, Jan 24, 2005 (UTC)

Holy crap
Someone went to school on this one. This article needs cleanup bad. I'll work on some of it. -Ghost Freeman 15:47, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Removed the Live Band list. Its already on the Nine Inch Nails article, it dosen't need to be repeated. Also fixed punctuation and I'm likely going to axe that blurb about the name of the album. -Ghost Freeman 15:53, 31 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Removed referance claiming that reason was used for the production of this album. It may have been used in part, but was not the sole, or even primary, peice of software used on With Teeth. ZylogZ80, 5:01 4/27/2005 EST

Needs a reference to his releasing a track in garageband format slashdot article and just how important that is. --Quiddity 09:10, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

"With Teeth"
Does this have anything to do with the so-called vagina dentata? Anonymous 22:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

No. Volcanictelephone 21:31, 18 December 2004 (EST)

Right Where It Belongs =/= Fourth Single
A post from 131.109.101.4 listed Right Where it Belongs as the fourth single. This information has no basis in fact, so I removed it. If there is some credible source of this information, please cite it and prove me wrong, but as far as I know, the last single on the album was Every Day Is Exactly the Same, for which the video has been permanently shelved. --Leviathant (The NIN Hotline) 68.82.90.71 23:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Concept or not?
At first the article says that "unlike the Fragile this is not a concept album," but it then goes on to say that "this release, unlike previous Nine Inch Nails albums, carries out a "genre per track" scheme. Each track has its own feel, unlike previous concept albums."

Problem?Lukelabern 18:14, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

-- There is definatly a theme to With Teeth, the theme (tying in the Rob Sheridan's amazing artwork for With Teeth, including the Poster made for it. I think there should be a seperate section about the poster, with information on the lyrics for songs not on the album, the fan-made poster distribution, etc.)  The themes of fading away, blurring lines, and  bleeding through are mentioned in the songs, and should be mentioned neer the beginning of the article.

Also, I don't like the current genre definitions listed, Describing "The Line Begins to Blur" as heavily distorted blues? Robotic punk rock? We can do better that that. I've been meaning to do some edits to this article for a while now. Compare to Broken, The Fragile, and Pretty Hate Machine --Insomniak 07:11, 28 November 2006 (UTC)


 * And if we're gonna do it for some of the songs, why not all of them? And, at the very least, they should be in correct track order.Heroicraptor 19:24, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Drewcifer3000 08:46, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I read somewhere (here) that With Teeth was originally meant to be a concept album based on The Lathe of Heaven. Anyone know anything else about this?


 * I know what you're linking to, but for some reason the link doesn't seem to be working. That's what I went off of to make some changes to the introduction of this article, but apparently the Blabbermouth article isn't up anymore, so we need to find a new source. Zzzronnyzzz (talk) 22:27, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

this is embarrasing
This release, unlike previous Nine Inch Nails albums, carries out a "genre per track" scheme. Each track has its own feel, unlike previous concept albums. Examples of this are:

* All The Love In The World: Ambient Drum and Bass * You Know What You Are: Synthesized Speed Metal with a hint of Surf Rock * The Collector: Jazz-influenced Hard Rock * The Hand That Feeds: An Electro-Rock March * With Teeth: Vampiric Lounge Act * Only: New-Wave-influenced Dance-punk * Getting Smaller: Robotic Punk Rock * The Line Begins To Blur: Heavily distorted Blues * Sunspots: Dark Soulful Anti-Ballad * Beside You In Time: A combination of Trance and Swing * Right Where It Belongs: A morbid Lennon-esque piano piece -- Alex Ov  Shaolin  00:43, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

umm
Sorry... I think.

EDIETS in Album Chronology
Right now the upcoming live DVD "Beside You in Time" is listed as the next chronological release after "With Teeth", but shouldn't the "Every Day is Exactly the Same" EP occupy that spot? Alkaline5 02:14, 12 February 2007


 * There's an album chronology and a singles chronology. EDIETS is in the latter right now, though it's sort of hazy being a single and an EP. Trent did say that there would be no remix album for With Teeth, though the sticker on the CD contradicts him. And then we'd have to move it in the template up beside the remix albums Fixed, FDTS, and TFA... does that seem right? There's a related discussion at Talk:Every Day Is Exactly the Same. Pomte 19:34, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

'The Collector' personal interpretation
"The song "The Collector" may be a reference to bipolar disorder from which Trent suffers from, as seen in the Stephen Fry BBC documentary; some people with the disorder sometimes have an obsession to collect odd things, sometimes even things they already own or alterations of what they own. The lyrics seem to describe something similar to this, however its just a theory and is not known for sure."

This is pure speculation and sounds like someone's personal interpretation of the lyrics. "it's just a theory and is not known for sure" is right, there is no source for this and so it shouldn't be here. Also, not sure why Stephen Fry's documentary in particular is mentioned, unless Trent Reznor was mentioned or featured in it, which I doubt.

Move to [With_Teeth]
That is the actual title of the album. Zazaban 09:24, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. See here.  Besides, due to WP:NCTR an article can't have [ or ] in its title. Drewcifer3000 18:47, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

bleedthrough
Regarding
 * referencing the phenomenon of audio bleed-through

the citation offered made no reference to audio bleed-through, so I've tagged it as such. -- Jon Dowland (talk) 10:01, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Page Needs Clean-Up
There is a large gap inbetween Overview and the text. I don't know how to fix it, however. Tribestros (talk) 15:55, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Alcoholism?
I thought Trent was a dope fiend during his TDS-Fragile era... was he an alcoholic too? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.85.53.73 (talk) 18:07, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

A few possibly helpful sources
Since this article is now a collaboration of the week, I thought I'd move the random quotes I've been collecting at my sandbox here. Please take a look and add at your discretion. Drewcifer (talk) 07:26, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

"It was at the turn of the century that Reznor decided he would have to get his life in order or he was “going to die.” After quitting music to concentrate on getting clean and getting “comfortable in my own skin” again, NIN's 2005 return, the much criticised ‘With Teeth,’ he admits (again in retrospection) was him trying to find his feet with music once more. “That record in hindsight feels a little cautious to me and certainly not the most risk taking record I’ve ever made. But, it’s part of a process and when the record came out and we went on tour I felt more back to the old me and really like ‘now I want to bend the rules and do what I really feel is right and take more chances.’”"

" The biggest reason, however, was that he knew he finally had the confidence to make the record he wanted. Ask him what he thinks of ‘With Teeth’ now and he’ll describe it as “cautious”, adding that it wouldn’t be his “favourite NIN record today”.

“Looking back, I can see I wasn’t completely sure of myself,” he confesses. “I got sober six years ago in June, and I took a few of those years just trying to stay alive and feel comfortable in my own skin before I jumped back into work to possibly fail.”"

" So this was quite a different process to making your last album 'With Teeth'? "I think I felt strangely at ease with myself and my confidence was back. When I look at how I wrote 'With Teeth' I was pretty afraid because I hadn't written in a long time. I was relatively newly sober, my life seemed weird- good, but different- and I was cautious through that whole process. On this record I felt like I wanted to take a chance."

"That whole idea of putting up multi tracks, really was just - several years ago, bored in a hotel room... Just as an experiment I happened to have the multi tracks with me - I think I was doing press for With Teeth - I loaded up the hand that feeds, I made it as a multi track, in Garage Band.

I thought it would be cool to give the sound to people, and I knew the challenge would be to get that past Interscrope essentially giving the masters out. But they agreed."

"On his surprise 2005 comeback, With Teeth, Reznor sounded unsure of himself, sweating for a hit. He front-loaded it with mediocre radio-rock bangers like "The Hand That Feeds," pushing the kinkier material to the second half." 
 * Question about the page: what's the deal with ref-8? I've never seen a reference like that. WesleyDodds (talk) 07:33, 3 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Dunno. It appears to be a multi-page article, so whoever put that in was attempting to cite all four pages.  Not a bad idea, but I think citing just the first page is standard practice. Drewcifer (talk) 07:43, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

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