Talk:With great power comes great responsibility

Why this redirect should be kept
I've recreated this redirect.

In Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2007_December_30 the arguments were made that:


 * "This particular wording is a minor variation of a phrase that has been used endlessly. See for example, Luke 12:48 (contemporary translation) and FDR's 1945 State of the Union address. Stan Lee's selection of the phrase followed. So, yes, many people could be looking for that phrase with many things other than Spider-Man in mind."
 * "Spiderman doesn't own this phrase. The idea of pointing old proverbs at articles because they're the flavor of the week is ridiculous."

This is the text of Luke 12:48, from the King James Version:


 * "For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more."

This is the text of Luke 12:48, from the New American Bible:


 * "Much will be required of the person entrusted with much, and still more will be demanded of the person entrusted with more."

This is relevant sentence of the 1945 State of the Union Address:


 * "But in a democratic world, as in a democratic Nation, power must be linked with responsibility, and obliged to defend and justify itself within the framework of the general good."

No reasonable person could confuse the above phrases with "with great power comes great responsibility." The sense may be similar, but the phrasing is completely different; it would be like saying that apples and oranges are the same just because they're both fruits. "With great power comes great responsibility" is not some "old proverb"; it was a new coinage with a very specific wording popularized by Stan Lee that is, in the modern-day, clearly attributed to Spider-Man stories. The quote is a very popular, widely-known, and notable quote that has been popular for decades (certainly not a "flavor of the week" per one of the arguments given for its deletion), and no one would search for that quote except to search for the Spider-Man meaning. Also, there are various links pointing to it which would otherwise become redlinks, and people are likely to continue linking it in the future. And remember, to quote from WP:RFD, "If someone says they find a redirect useful, they probably do. You might not find it useful — this is not because the other person is a liar, but because you browse Wikipedia in different ways."

—Lowellian (reply) 15:50, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Reorganized the valuable, but fan-ism -infected, lead. I also added a neglected but relevant year. You might say that it’s a shame that comic book writers profit from history (as do we all), but that is by far the wrong way to see it. The real shame is that so few ages appreciate their respective debts to earlier ones.

Reorganized the valuable, but fan-ism -infected lead. You might say that it’s a shame that comic book writers profit from history (as do we all), but that is by far the wrong way to see it. The real shame is that so few ages appreciate their respective debts to earlier ones. We are clearly entering into the true age of reason, two centuries (and counting) after the publication of The Age of Reason. You kids’ve got a tough road ahead, but it’ll be worth the effort of surviving, and for some you, even of becoming martyrs of the final war against medievalism. You were only waIting for this moment to arise. —JerzyA (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

The first four footnotes don't back up the article
Two of the four are broken links, and at least one of the remaining two doesn't provide any credible substantiating. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dbmillercode (talk • contribs) 16:35, 12 September 2020 (UTC)

Doc. Ock, TASM’s Uncle Ben and Tom in Civil War
All of these 3 redo the great responsibility line in their own words, should probably be added to the spider-man heading. While not exactly the same as the original quote it would make sense to just say they referenced it. Ock’s is “Intelligence is not a privilege, it's a gift. And you use it for the good of mankind.” TASM’s Uncle Ben is obvious but here it is, “He believed that if you could do good things for other people, you had a moral obligation to do those things! That's what's at stake here. Not choice. Responsibility.” Tom Holland’s original one in Civil War seems to go under the radar and he’s talking to Tony, "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't... and then the bad things happen... they happen because of you.". RobbyB3ll4s (talk) 17:50, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Cleanup
There seems to have been some issues with WP:OR and forgetting about WP:RS lately. The lead definitively asserts that the idea is as old as the sword of Damocles although any connection (aside from Wikipedia's own text in the SoD article) is left unsourced and the more accurate reading of the SoD is that it's about anxiety, worry, and fear rather than any sense of obligation or responsibility. There is a vague reference to "Volume 48" of the "Works of Voltaire", presumably indicating the Oxford Press series on Œuvres Complètes de Voltaire. Volume 48 is simply Candide, which of course doesn't include anything like the Spiderman formulation. It's apparently just vandalism or a fairly successful prank. Even if it were accurate (it isn't), it would be impossible to draw an unsourced through line&mdash;as the article currently does&mdash;that the French revolutionaries necessary were quoting from this obscure (read 'nonexistent') part of Voltaire. — Llywelyn II   01:38, 22 September 2022 (UTC)

Image
Is there a reason not to use the actual original panel? or the panel of its first use by Uncle Ben? Both are already easily available online and surely we can do a low size, low res scan as fair use. Marvel shouldn't be unhappy, so long as we kept it here on Wikipedia instead of pretending that it had entered the public domain over on Wikicommons. — Llywelyn II   06:35, 22 September 2022 (UTC)


 * I have no objections of a fair use image of the panel. Jhenderson  7 7 7  13:58, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Need to add Jawaharlal Nehru's quote
First Prime minister of India, Jawaharlal Nehru, also said a version of this quote in his speech "A Tryst with Destiny," on August 14, 1947.

"Freedom and power bring responsibility." — Jawaharlal Nehru, Prime Minister of India

Source: Internet Modern History Sourcebook Jawaharlal Nehru (1889-1964): A Tryst with Destiny: Speech on the Granting of Indian Independence, August 14, 1947 https://sourcebooks.fordham.edu/mod/1947nehru1.asp ▪️▪️▪️▪️▪️▪️ I am not familiar with Wiki editing. I will appreciate if someone adds it.

Thanks in advance. Kns007 (talk) 03:15, 14 August 2023 (UTC)

Use of quote in Spider-Man animated series
During the Venom arc of season 1 of the 1994 Spider-Man series, Peter says the line to himself. This pre-dates the movie by 8 years, and should be mentioned in the article. Kfn8r (talk) 05:47, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Teen Wolf 1985 Quote almost Verbatim
James Hampton as Harold Howard as Scott Howard's (Michael J Fox) dad in the 1985 comedy Teen Wolf, says

“When you want it, you’re gonna have great power. And with great power goes a greater responsibility…” 2605:8D80:443:9531:8CED:7BFB:DB4A:2E91 (talk) 06:07, 24 April 2024 (UTC)